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By Andy Glockner

A first look at the seeding for the potential NCAA tournament field yields a few interesting early clues:

1) There aren't very many deserving teams that get left out at this point, and there's lots of room for movement at the cut line.

2) There are five very legit candidates for the No. 1 seeds, not counting North Carolina. You could make a legit argument that Wake Forest, the lone unbeatenleft, should be a No. 2.
3) The SEC isn't very good right now, although it's hard to imagine the league getting only three bids after league playconcludes.

It's still very early, so some of the determinations below are even more subjective than usual and teams could move pretty rapidly either way in the nextcouple of weeks. The champions from one-bid conferences have their league name in parentheses. Here's the multi-bid conference bid breakdown:

Big East: 9
Big Ten: 7
Big 12: 7
ACC: 6
Pac-10: 5
SEC: 3
A-10: 2
MWC: 2
WCC: 2

No. 1 Seeds

Duke: 6-1 vs. RPI Top 50, best SOS and margin of victory combo of potential one-seeds.
Connecticut: Quietly lurking while still trying to figure out some roles in the rotation.
Wake Forest: Nation's only unbeaten proving road chops; schedule's been softer, but they look better than Pitt and Oklahoma.
Pittsburgh: Splitting hairs with "fifth one-seed" Oklahoma. Panthers have more balance.

No. 2 Seeds
Oklahoma: Definitely could/should be a one-seed. Emergence of secondary players has been big.
North Carolina: Who wants to be the one-seed in this region? Heels need a healthy Marcus Ginyard back and more fromTy Lawson.
Michigan State: Since Goran Suton's return, the Spartans have played very well. Clear class of the Big Ten.
Syracuse: Jonny Flynn's been huge. So has returns of Andy Rautins and Eric Devendorf and development ofArinze Onuaku.

No. 3 Seeds
Xavier: Offense can be questionable, but overall quality of the Musketeers isn't. Runaway best team in A-10.
Clemson: Lost to Wake at home, but the ability to rally yet again shows character behind talent.
Louisville: Recovering more rapidly than oil prices after taking out No. 1 Pitt.
Georgetown: A good young team that has the chance to be very good by March. Already 3-2 vs. RPI Top 25.

No. 4 Seeds
Memphis (Conference USA): Not as good as last season, but still plenty good, especially in C-USA.
Butler (Horizon): Time for this program to get its proper due; doing this with a bundle of underclassmen getting big minutes.
Arizona State: Forget best team in the state; best team in the Pac-10? There's a strong argument right now.
UCLA: Bruins land here more on reputation than anything they have accomplished on the floor.

No. 5 Seeds
Marquette: Surprise unbeaten in the Big East; showed senior savvy rallying at Providence.
Cal: Can the Bears' incredible three-for-all last through the second half of the season?
Illinois: Good team that should be able to continue to grow as expectations aren't yet overwhelming.
Ohio State: Buckeyes bag quality bigs like no one else, and B.J. Mullens is starting to live up to billing.

No. 6 Seeds
Texas: Sum seems less than its parts sometimes without D.J. Augustin, but there's still a lot to like.
Florida State: 'Noles have quietly positioned themselves to be the No. 5 team in the ACC.
Gonzaga: Killer schedule taxed Zags for a bit, but still a very high upside club that deserves a bump.
Florida: The whole SEC elicits a big shoulder shrug, but the Gators appear to be the best of the bunch right now.

No. 7 Seeds
Tennessee: If the Vols land here, a two-seed won't be very happy at all. Bonus: They wouldn't play Gonzaga again until the Sweet 16.
Oklahoma State: Good numbers, no substance right now for the Pokes. Show us something.
Minnesota: Disappointing L at Northwestern drops the Gophers a couple slots. Three Top 25 Ws, though.
BYU: Still probably the MWC's best, despite rout at New Mexico. Another potential 2 vs. 7 upset pick … if they beat the 10 first.

No. 8 Seeds
Miami: No Top-50 wins yet. That needs to change to be much higher than this.
West Virginia: Great computer numbers, so-so actual production, but injuries were a factor early.
Notre Dame: Compromise spot as profile stinks, but the team is pretty decent … at least on offense.
Baylor: If they're even decent defensively, they're very tough. Better scheduling job this year will pay off.

No. 9 Seeds
Davidson (Southern): Davidson-Baylor? Instant 7:30pm Thursday spot on CBS. Curry goes for 52, gets shot at a one in Round 2.
Kansas: Jayhawks have been hit or miss so far, but might be considerably better by March.
Wisconsin: Like the team just below them on this list, not as good as people though they would be.
Purdue: Either things will click soon and they'll make a run, or we'll wonder about last season's rise.

No. 10 Seeds
Washington: Rapidly entering "who knows?" seed territory. Huskies have rallied nicely from opening-night debacle against Portland.
Missouri: Wish the committee would take aesthetics into account for matchups. Tennessee-Mizzou anyone?
Villanova: Too much talent not to be playing better right now. The Coreys need to step up and deliver.
Utah: Based on performance this season, would be lower than this in the NAIA bracket.

No. 11 Seeds

Michigan: Coach Beilein's a year ahead of schedule if he gets the Wolverines into this season's dance.
St. Mary's: Feels low for a team with this much talent, but profile isn't there yet to go much higher.
Kentucky: Another team at this level that wouldn't be a gift for the higher seed in round one.
Texas A&M: Looked like an NCAA team at times against Oklahoma; need some better Ws to strengthen profile.

No. 12 Seeds
Utah State (WAC): The best team in the WAC could squeeze in as an at-large if needed.
Siena (MAAC): Saints will have to do it the hard way, and it could be against Niagara, Fairfield or Rider in the tourney.
Dayton: Will Flyers fans take an at-large here in exchange for dropping last season's protestations?
Stanford: Last at-large spot for the moment, although it's way too early to split hairs like that.

No. 13 Seeds
George Mason (CAA): Unbeaten in league play, with a better RPI than VCU.
Miami, Ohio (MAC): Good team, bad record, good RPI, in right side of the league. Or is that the wrong side?
Western Kentucky (Sun Belt): Buckling down in the Belt, with UALR, Middle Tennessee and others in pursuit.
Northern Iowa (Missouri Valley): Surprise leaders in the Valley have overcome last season's injury woes.

No. 14 Seeds

Stephen F. Austin (Southland): RPI in the 60s and a league-best record means it's Jacks up.
American (Patriot): Unbeaten in league with a sub-100 RPI for last season's Tennessee tormentors.
Cornell (Ivy): The league's new honorary "P" should make it two straight titles unless Harvard makes its own history.
Austin Peay (Ohio Valley): Hopefully, rest of OVC won't "rip the hearts out of the Governors, their fans, their broadcasters … andeverybody."

No. 15 Seeds

Long Beach State (Big West): Two-game lead in conference. Anyway we can get a Minnesota-LBSU Monson Bowl?
VMI (Big South): Won at Rupp. Won at Rupp. Won at Rupp. Much better RPI than co-leader Radford.
Albany (America East): Young Danes are best of two-loss teams behind 2-1 UNH; won at co-contender Vermont.
Weber State (Big Sky): Better RPI and won at co-leader Portland State.

No. 16 Seeds
North Dakota State (Summit): Mr. 60 Ben Woodside gets his shot at Goliath; NDSU's first D-I NCAA trip.
Robert Morris (Northeast): Despite graduation losses, still apparently the top dog in the NEC, for now.
Belmont (Atlantic Sun): Near-missathon in nonleague play condemns the Bears to a low seed.
Morgan State (MEAC): Second worst RPI, but not a bad team, as Maryland can attest to. NCAA would avoid MEAC-SWAC play-in, shafting Belmont.
Alabama State (SWAC): Mmm, Dayton.


OTHERS IN CONSIDERATION
Arkansas, Illinois State, Temple, UNLV, USC, Virginia Tech, UAB
 
Can't take anything too seriously until Valentines day, in my opinion... that's always kind of the day i target as when stuff gets sorted out in termsof RPI numbers and such.
 
Florida State: 'Noles have quietly positioned themselves to be the No. 5 team in the ACC.
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. Ialways said if the Noles make the tournament i gotta pick em to go all the way. I'm not betting any $ this year.
 
Stanford will make it. They are 13-3 if Im not mistaken. All they need to do is win 8 or 9 more games and there in.
I think 21 or 22 win will get them in for sure. Plus they just beat cal which was top 25 matrial.
 
Originally Posted by allen3xis

SI


By Andy Glockner

A first look at the seeding for the potential NCAA tournament field yields a few interesting early clues:

1) There aren't very many deserving teams that get left out at this point, and there's lots of room for movement at the cut line.

2) There are five very legit candidates for the No. 1 seeds, not counting North Carolina. You could make a legit argument that Wake Forest, the lone unbeaten left, should be a No. 2.
3) The SEC isn't very good right now, although it's hard to imagine the league getting only three bids after league play concludes.

It's still very early, so some of the determinations below are even more subjective than usual and teams could move pretty rapidly either way in the next couple of weeks. The champions from one-bid conferences have their league name in parentheses. Here's the multi-bid conference bid breakdown:

Big East: 9
Big Ten: 7
Big 12: 7
ACC: 6
Pac-10: 5
SEC: 3
A-10: 2
MWC: 2
WCC: 2

No. 1 Seeds

Duke: 6-1 vs. RPI Top 50, best SOS and margin of victory combo of potential one-seeds.
Connecticut: Quietly lurking while still trying to figure out some roles in the rotation.
Wake Forest: Nation's only unbeaten proving road chops; schedule's been softer, but they look better than Pitt and Oklahoma.
Pittsburgh: Splitting hairs with "fifth one-seed" Oklahoma. Panthers have more balance.

No. 2 Seeds
Oklahoma: Definitely could/should be a one-seed. Emergence of secondary players has been big.
North Carolina: Who wants to be the one-seed in this region? Heels need a healthy Marcus Ginyard back and more from Ty Lawson.
Michigan State: Since Goran Suton's return, the Spartans have played very well. Clear class of the Big Ten.
Syracuse: Jonny Flynn's been huge. So has returns of Andy Rautins and Eric Devendorf and development of Arinze Onuaku.

No. 3 Seeds
Xavier: Offense can be questionable, but overall quality of the Musketeers isn't. Runaway best team in A-10.
Clemson: Lost to Wake at home, but the ability to rally yet again shows character behind talent.
Louisville: Recovering more rapidly than oil prices after taking out No. 1 Pitt.
Georgetown: A good young team that has the chance to be very good by March. Already 3-2 vs. RPI Top 25.

No. 4 Seeds
Memphis (Conference USA): Not as good as last season, but still plenty good, especially in C-USA.
Butler (Horizon): Time for this program to get its proper due; doing this with a bundle of underclassmen getting big minutes.
Arizona State: Forget best team in the state; best team in the Pac-10? There's a strong argument right now.
UCLA: Bruins land here more on reputation than anything they have accomplished on the floor.

No. 5 Seeds
Marquette: Surprise unbeaten in the Big East; showed senior savvy rallying at Providence.
Cal: Can the Bears' incredible three-for-all last through the second half of the season?
Illinois: Good team that should be able to continue to grow as expectations aren't yet overwhelming.
Ohio State: Buckeyes bag quality bigs like no one else, and B.J. Mullens is starting to live up to billing.

No. 6 Seeds
Texas: Sum seems less than its parts sometimes without D.J. Augustin, but there's still a lot to like.
Florida State: 'Noles have quietly positioned themselves to be the No. 5 team in the ACC.
Gonzaga: Killer schedule taxed Zags for a bit, but still a very high upside club that deserves a bump.
Florida: The whole SEC elicits a big shoulder shrug, but the Gators appear to be the best of the bunch right now.

No. 7 Seeds
Tennessee: If the Vols land here, a two-seed won't be very happy at all. Bonus: They wouldn't play Gonzaga again until the Sweet 16.
Oklahoma State: Good numbers, no substance right now for the Pokes. Show us something.
Minnesota: Disappointing L at Northwestern drops the Gophers a couple slots. Three Top 25 Ws, though.
BYU: Still probably the MWC's best, despite rout at New Mexico. Another potential 2 vs. 7 upset pick … if they beat the 10 first.

No. 8 Seeds
Miami: No Top-50 wins yet. That needs to change to be much higher than this.
West Virginia: Great computer numbers, so-so actual production, but injuries were a factor early.
Notre Dame: Compromise spot as profile stinks, but the team is pretty decent … at least on offense.
Baylor: If they're even decent defensively, they're very tough. Better scheduling job this year will pay off.

No. 9 Seeds
Davidson (Southern): Davidson-Baylor? Instant 7:30pm Thursday spot on CBS. Curry goes for 52, gets shot at a one in Round 2.
Kansas: Jayhawks have been hit or miss so far, but might be considerably better by March.
Wisconsin: Like the team just below them on this list, not as good as people though they would be.
Purdue: Either things will click soon and they'll make a run, or we'll wonder about last season's rise.

No. 10 Seeds
Washington: Rapidly entering "who knows?" seed territory. Huskies have rallied nicely from opening-night debacle against Portland.
Missouri: Wish the committee would take aesthetics into account for matchups. Tennessee-Mizzou anyone?
Villanova: Too much talent not to be playing better right now. The Coreys need to step up and deliver.
Utah: Based on performance this season, would be lower than this in the NAIA bracket.

No. 11 Seeds

Michigan: Coach Beilein's a year ahead of schedule if he gets the Wolverines into this season's dance.
St. Mary's: Feels low for a team with this much talent, but profile isn't there yet to go much higher.
Kentucky: Another team at this level that wouldn't be a gift for the higher seed in round one.
Texas A&M: Looked like an NCAA team at times against Oklahoma; need some better Ws to strengthen profile.

No. 12 Seeds
Utah State (WAC): The best team in the WAC could squeeze in as an at-large if needed.
Siena (MAAC): Saints will have to do it the hard way, and it could be against Niagara, Fairfield or Rider in the tourney.
Dayton: Will Flyers fans take an at-large here in exchange for dropping last season's protestations?
Stanford: Last at-large spot for the moment, although it's way too early to split hairs like that.

No. 13 Seeds
George Mason (CAA): Unbeaten in league play, with a better RPI than VCU.
Miami, Ohio (MAC): Good team, bad record, good RPI, in right side of the league. Or is that the wrong side?
Western Kentucky (Sun Belt): Buckling down in the Belt, with UALR, Middle Tennessee and others in pursuit.
Northern Iowa (Missouri Valley): Surprise leaders in the Valley have overcome last season's injury woes.

No. 14 Seeds

Stephen F. Austin (Southland): RPI in the 60s and a league-best record means it's Jacks up.
American (Patriot): Unbeaten in league with a sub-100 RPI for last season's Tennessee tormentors.
Cornell (Ivy): The league's new honorary "P" should make it two straight titles unless Harvard makes its own history.
Austin Peay (Ohio Valley): Hopefully, rest of OVC won't "rip the hearts out of the Governors, their fans, their broadcasters … and everybody."

No. 15 Seeds

Long Beach State (Big West): Two-game lead in conference. Anyway we can get a Minnesota-LBSU Monson Bowl?
VMI (Big South): Won at Rupp. Won at Rupp. Won at Rupp. Much better RPI than co-leader Radford.
Albany (America East): Young Danes are best of two-loss teams behind 2-1 UNH; won at co-contender Vermont.
Weber State (Big Sky): Better RPI and won at co-leader Portland State.

No. 16 Seeds
North Dakota State (Summit): Mr. 60 Ben Woodside gets his shot at Goliath; NDSU's first D-I NCAA trip.
Robert Morris (Northeast): Despite graduation losses, still apparently the top dog in the NEC, for now.
Belmont (Atlantic Sun): Near-missathon in nonleague play condemns the Bears to a low seed.
Morgan State (MEAC): Second worst RPI, but not a bad team, as Maryland can attest to. NCAA would avoid MEAC-SWAC play-in, shafting Belmont.
Alabama State (SWAC): Mmm, Dayton.


OTHERS IN CONSIDERATION
Arkansas, Illinois State, Temple, UNLV, USC, Virginia Tech, UAB


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@ UK being an 11 seed. Id say as of right now were probably on that 6to 7 range....whoever came up with this has no clue.
 
Kid is finding out how hard it really is to broadcast a game.

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@ you hit girls chant when Devendorf gets the ball.
 
Paul's a dummy...think he learned his lesson now? Probably not.

That team needs a smart leader in the worst way.
 
pitt going to get bounced early in the tourney this year.

refs sucked today. the phantom T on harris. rick got T'd. Blair tosses the ball at Arinze and didn' get a T.

Higgins just doesnt like syracuse.

well beat Louisville on Sunday.
 
Dixon 'gets it' more than Jim.

is Ongeneat hurt? 6 man rotation, really? Give Joseph more than a minute...

need a bench the rest of league play and into March...it woulda been a good spot to get some experience.

Dixon found time for Robinson, Gibbs and Wannamker.
 
SNY's coverage is top notch for their first year. Robbins and Welsh half time
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Yancy Gates is going to be a load to deal with, hope hangs around for 3 or 4.
 
Am I the only one just looking in the stands behind the Providence bench hoping to catch son from the other night
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Originally Posted by DoItAllPaul

pitt going to get bounced early in the tourney this year.

refs sucked today. the phantom T on harris. rick got T'd. Blair tosses the ball at Arinze and didn' get a T.

Higgins just doesnt like syracuse.

well beat Louisville on Sunday.


if Pitt gets "bounced" early, then what does that mean for yall? They just beat yall by 18. And if yall only play a 6 man rotation on Sunday, thenyour players wont be able to walk the last 5 minutes, much less run.
 
Originally Posted by allen3xis

SNY's coverage is top notch for their first year. Robbins and Welsh half time
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Yancy Gates is going to be a load to deal with, hope hangs around for 3 or 4.

They REALLY need to step their camera quality up. That $!%$ is disgustingly terrible.
 
Pitt is not getting bounced early..... they are a solid team. great rebounding and their interior presence should carry them far in the tournament
 
Originally Posted by Craftsy21

.whoever came up with this has no clue.

I'd be willing to bet the house that Andy Glockner knows more about college basketball than you ever will. But that's just a hunch.
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I'd be willing to bet anyone who wants to bet that UK is not an 11 seed as of right now....he must not know too much....he may know more about other teamsthan me, but no way does he know more about UK than me....as i see if u agree with him u must not either.

Oh yeah, remind me not waste my $ on betting Syracuse ever again, thats twice in 1 week....i know they are #8 in the Nation, but there are atleast 30-35 teamswho would spank them if they played.
 
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