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That is greater death/injury than the parkland shooting. Without guns. In Belgium. Which sparked this conversation. You are the one who brought up the shooting bans in place where you are. I simply showed it hasn't prevented mass murder by scumbags.
Is that what happened here though? Here's the full conversation. Something was brought up about links between violent videogames and school shootings, I responded and started off my post referring to the videogame argument because I thought it was a silly argument, as did you when you reacted to that same argument.
Violent videogames face very little controversy here but not once have I ever heard of a school shooting here. A big stabbing massacre in a kindergarten yes but that's it. Our most notorious mass shooting outside of the jihadist terror attacks is a guy shooting 3 people with a shotgun in Antwerp, including a child.
Personally I'm not even aware of actual security at schools. I'm sure it's a thing in some notorious districts but certainly not anywhere close to where I live. My highschool with 3500 students had 0 security employees

Based on your name I am assuming you are familiar with the Brussels bombings. Bombs do far more damage than these guns. Touting less mass murder by guns when you have greater mass murder by bombs is a bit disingenuous.

Disingenuous? No denying that terrorism is an issue throughout much of Europe and certainly here but here's some statistics for you then.
In the 2016 Brussels bombings, the 3 suicide bombers caused 32 civilian deaths and 300 injuries as well as killing themselves in the process. On what planet is that "greater mass murder than guns" when the biggest terrorist attack in this country doesn't even begin to come close to a shooting like Vegas?

Can you list all of the other terrorist bombings in Belgium and see how many it takes to reach the death toll of the Vegas shooting? Within the last 20 years or so, or maybe just take the last 40 years.

I'll do Dwalk's work for him I suppose. Here's all the terrorist bombings we've had since 1980 in order of magnitude:
2016 Brussels bombings: 35 deaths (including 3 suicide bombers), roughly 300 injured with around 65 of them suffering critical injuries but surviving
1981 Antwerp truck bombing in front of a synagogue: 3 deaths and 106 injuries
1980 grenade attack at an Antwerp summer camp for Jewish kids: 1 death, 20 injuries

Total: 39 deaths, roughly 426 (probably closer to 450 if anything) injured.

2017 Las Vegas shooting: 58 deaths, 851 injured


But apparently it's "disingenuous" to point out our lack of mass shootings when we "have greater mass murder by bombs" and "they do more damage" I guess. I don't want to turn this into a mass murder olympics but that statement was far too ridiculous.

That is greater death/injury than the parkland shooting. Without guns. In Belgium. Which sparked this conversation. You are the one who brought up the shooting bans in place where you are. I simply showed it hasn't prevented mass murder by scumbags.
 
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“Many in legacy media love mass shootings. You guys love it” . “Now I’m not saying that you love the tragedy. But I am saying that you love the ratings. Crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back.”

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That Dana Loesch woman is a complete nutjob. There's more ads like that, though that's certainly the worst one. Says a lot that of all things her NRA position is an official spokeswoman. Surely it's not that hard to find a mentally stable strong pro-gun advocate
 
What did the Ariana Grande concert evidence?

It showed that pro-gun right wingers would use extremely idiotic arguments to defend their guns.

If you're going by the logic where you say "Hey look! Guns are illegal in this country, but someone still obtained them illegally on the black market and managed to kill a bunch of people", then what would your counter-argument be to someone who wants to legalize murder saying "Murder is illegal, but people still murder people every day, so what's the point of having it illegal to begin with?"
 
Wonder how Manafort feals about that not guilty plea now :lol: He ain't beating every single one of those charges.
 
It really is amazing how fast this special counsel is proceeding though. Hopefully not too rushed but this blows the Watergate timeline out of the water.
 
It showed that pro-gun right wingers would use extremely idiotic arguments to defend their guns.

If you're going by the logic where you say "Hey look! Guns are illegal in this country, but someone still obtained them illegally on the black market and managed to kill a bunch of people", then what would your counter-argument be to someone who wants to legalize murder saying "Murder is illegal, but people still murder people every day, so what's the point of having it illegal to begin with?"

Murder is illegal... and yet... the Parkland shooter continued..

Sadly you can't legislate away hateful people doing hateful things. The solution is changing hearts and minds. Of course that isn't a real solution. And I don't know the solution to prevent these types of tragedies.

Perhaps finding ways to limit the damage is a start. But this wasn't an automatic weapon. It didnt have bumpstocks, it was as fast as you can pull the trigger just like a regular handgun.

I understand the need to feel like surely some legislation will change these situations. There is comfort in the assumption. The reality is the majority of mentally ill and gun owners do not shoot up schools full of children. In fact, these tragedies are very infrequent. They are always wrong and unneccessary but to this point I dont see realistic solutions on either side.

Arming teachers: They likely won't be sharp shooters and have the ability to neutralize threats efficiently

Bump stocks: Pretty much bipartisan support. But won't prevent these tragedies, but it will limit the damage. Again, pulse nightclub, charleston, and parkland didnt use bumpstocks.

Mental health: Super broad resolution. Likely would result in stigmatizing mentally ill people as a group.

Additional security at school: People don't want to feel like they are in a warzone

The discussion is important. I don't have the answers, but the options on both sides, to this point, don't look that good.

As always, after these tragedies people are highly emotional and looking for someone to blame. The NRA and guns are easy targets.
 
While we are pointing out ironic motifs... Gotta add the fact that you said people like me with my beliefs... without knowing me... or my beliefs
It’s all love brethren. I just cannot for the life of me understand the logic behind anyone who thinks guns being easier to attain than a drivers license is a good idea.

I’m sure you’re super chill irl since youre an NTer (no sarcasm). We just have complete opposite opinions on this
 
Forgot the customary response to any new developments in the special counsel probe.
Where's the evidence?
Has anyone been arrested yet?
Where's Russia?
Where are the charges that don't go back 10 years?
Where are the guilty pleas?

Has Trump been arrested yet?
Has anyone been convicted yet?
 
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