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I always feel weird debating about illegal immigration because it can easily turn ignorant. As an immigrant who came here when I was one I am able to see both sides a little bit better. Im not tryna write an essay so ill try my best to be brief.
The problem with alot of people is that they always want to find someone to blame , (groups , races are easy targets),these bad economic times are a golden opportunity to blame illegal immigrants for the lack of jobs . The problem continues as people find any reason they hear and just go with it to further "prove a point" (it doesnt matter if the information is right or wrong). So when the news and my neighbors, friends, are sayin that illegal immigrants dont pay taxes, commit crimes, and steal jobs, it becomes very easy to follow suit.
As stated above, Illegal immigrants do pay taxes as they commonly work with fake social security numbers (payroll tax) , which is something that is ignored by many. Also, there is such thing as a "Tax I.D" number which allows those working under the table to pay their taxes. In my experience I know many of these immigrants would not request one of these numbers as they are in fear of the anything that deals with the federal government. Another one which is not known and commonly ignored, is having a working permit (which is something I had until I became legal), this means you are legally working in the U.S (not available for everyone). Therefore, just like me, there are plenty (wont assume on exact numbers), who are here "illegally" for years but do pay the same taxes as everyone.
Now another problem arises because those who complain about not paying taxes also complain about illegal immigrants taking "their" jobs. Now the solution to one could be to simply let them work legally and guarantee them paying taxes , but that would also go against the other argument. This is when I see the most ignorant argument begin: They broke the law, so just send them out. Great solution (sarcasm), because that would definitely not cost the country money and resources (more sarcasm).
So to review the other argument about crime. I believe it is not so much of an immigration problem as opponents make it out to be. Crime is crime, immigration status does not matter. I am more than positive that the immigrant community wants a safe life just like every one else (as many witness the danger of crime in countries with great poverty), we do not encourage crime. Therefore, if we are trying to stop the crime , in my opinion, it is very important to unite the immigrant community and ensure that people are identified. Some sort of identification would help keep immigrants, and these criminals "out the shadows". I support criminals being deported because they are not bringing anything positive to this country and do not take such a great opportunity serious, nobody feels bad if and when these criminals receive justice.
Another thing that is commonly said ( someone mentioned it on here) is that one should go do it the "legal way", which should be the way to go, ideally. But many fail to realize that U.S immigration laws are very strict and if your goal is to survive and provide for your family, you dont have the money to file as a legal applicant, neither do you have the time to waste as your family depends on you.
I am curious about what part of france the guy (who mentioned legally goin back to france and waiting), I only say this because in many cases, these hispanics countries are not places you want to go back and wait. They are very dangerous and poor , and you are risking your well being when going back.
It is obvious that immigration reform is very necessary, but also a very complicated thing to accomplish. I strongly believe that the border needs to be protected better. But regarding those who are already here, whos to decide if they are american or not?
Just to help illustrate how complicated things are, heres an example from my life: I am 21 , Permanent resident (Green Card), will be eligible for citizenship next year. My older brother is 28 , been here just as long, no criminal record , working permit , attended college (did not finish), married to a U.S citizen , has a 1 year old daughter. What is the difference between me and him? I believe he deserves to be legal more than myself. Im just sayin many of us speak ignorantly, but things are more complicated than they appear.
I believe everyone deserves the right to provide for theyre family and honestly without immigration many of us would not be living such great lives and pursuing our dreams. Alot of it comes down to morals and values, as long as you put your self in other peoples shoes, it becomes easier to understand.
(smh at the dream act not passing
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Sorry for the long post
The problem with alot of people is that they always want to find someone to blame , (groups , races are easy targets),these bad economic times are a golden opportunity to blame illegal immigrants for the lack of jobs . The problem continues as people find any reason they hear and just go with it to further "prove a point" (it doesnt matter if the information is right or wrong). So when the news and my neighbors, friends, are sayin that illegal immigrants dont pay taxes, commit crimes, and steal jobs, it becomes very easy to follow suit.
As stated above, Illegal immigrants do pay taxes as they commonly work with fake social security numbers (payroll tax) , which is something that is ignored by many. Also, there is such thing as a "Tax I.D" number which allows those working under the table to pay their taxes. In my experience I know many of these immigrants would not request one of these numbers as they are in fear of the anything that deals with the federal government. Another one which is not known and commonly ignored, is having a working permit (which is something I had until I became legal), this means you are legally working in the U.S (not available for everyone). Therefore, just like me, there are plenty (wont assume on exact numbers), who are here "illegally" for years but do pay the same taxes as everyone.
Now another problem arises because those who complain about not paying taxes also complain about illegal immigrants taking "their" jobs. Now the solution to one could be to simply let them work legally and guarantee them paying taxes , but that would also go against the other argument. This is when I see the most ignorant argument begin: They broke the law, so just send them out. Great solution (sarcasm), because that would definitely not cost the country money and resources (more sarcasm).
So to review the other argument about crime. I believe it is not so much of an immigration problem as opponents make it out to be. Crime is crime, immigration status does not matter. I am more than positive that the immigrant community wants a safe life just like every one else (as many witness the danger of crime in countries with great poverty), we do not encourage crime. Therefore, if we are trying to stop the crime , in my opinion, it is very important to unite the immigrant community and ensure that people are identified. Some sort of identification would help keep immigrants, and these criminals "out the shadows". I support criminals being deported because they are not bringing anything positive to this country and do not take such a great opportunity serious, nobody feels bad if and when these criminals receive justice.
Another thing that is commonly said ( someone mentioned it on here) is that one should go do it the "legal way", which should be the way to go, ideally. But many fail to realize that U.S immigration laws are very strict and if your goal is to survive and provide for your family, you dont have the money to file as a legal applicant, neither do you have the time to waste as your family depends on you.
I am curious about what part of france the guy (who mentioned legally goin back to france and waiting), I only say this because in many cases, these hispanics countries are not places you want to go back and wait. They are very dangerous and poor , and you are risking your well being when going back.
It is obvious that immigration reform is very necessary, but also a very complicated thing to accomplish. I strongly believe that the border needs to be protected better. But regarding those who are already here, whos to decide if they are american or not?
Just to help illustrate how complicated things are, heres an example from my life: I am 21 , Permanent resident (Green Card), will be eligible for citizenship next year. My older brother is 28 , been here just as long, no criminal record , working permit , attended college (did not finish), married to a U.S citizen , has a 1 year old daughter. What is the difference between me and him? I believe he deserves to be legal more than myself. Im just sayin many of us speak ignorantly, but things are more complicated than they appear.
I believe everyone deserves the right to provide for theyre family and honestly without immigration many of us would not be living such great lives and pursuing our dreams. Alot of it comes down to morals and values, as long as you put your self in other peoples shoes, it becomes easier to understand.
(smh at the dream act not passing
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Sorry for the long post