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Originally Posted by Its That Dude
So you guys still say that god is ALL-GOOD, even thought he lets innocent people die when HE HAS THE POWER to save them.
Yeah I like the idea of customized religion. Take the aspects of religion you like and apply them to your life as you choose instead of being mandated to do a thousand different things. You do what you think makes you a better person who is happier in this life.Originally Posted by Jimmy Blanco1983
My closest friend right now fits that description. Got a ton of respect for dude.Originally Posted by Galvelocity
What if you're like me and went from devoutly religious to devoutly atheist after taking the time to educate yourself the best way you knew how? Obviously I was open-minded or I would still be religious. And obviously I wouldn't still be reading about religion to learn about it if I was just going to say it was stupid in a blanket statement.Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
Galvelocity:
23ska909red02:
These arguments go nowhere because of two things: stubbornness and narrow-mindedness.
For the record, I mean from any and all sides.
People ask questions already believing what they want to believe, and people answer questions with no intention of learning anything new from the person they're trying to 'fix' or 'convert'.
Go to a math tutor thoroughly convinced that 2+ 2 = filet mignon and carry with you a complete unwillingness to understand how that perspective is wrong, and you'll get as far with him as you would anyone else asking questions about God with an already established, thorough conviction that they are completely unwilling to have shaken or compromised.
I don't call myself a Christian, because I don't want the negative stigma associated with today's Christians attached to me, but I do believe there is a God, and I try to live according to that belief. I wasn't raised according to the way I believe, and I can definitely respect anyone who has developed their own belief system, even if the belief system they subscribe to is completely different than mine.
I pray that you can be led to the Truth.
I'm not saying "whatever you believe is stupid and what I believe is obviously the right thing", so why do you have to take thatroad? I can't stand people forcing their beliefs down my throat. You do you, don't worry about me.
Also:
i'd rather die believing in god and finding out he doesn't exist instead of choosing not to believe in him only to find out i'm wrong when i meet him.
With all the religions you have as options, your chances are PRETTY slim that the one you chose is the right one. Your odds are barely better thanthose of an atheist. One might even argue that a rival God would be more pleased with us for choosing to believe in nothing instead of one of his imitators.
Originally Posted by ACE BOMBER
I wasn't gonna add anything when I first clicked this thread but there are some seriously piss poor arguments against religion in here... (I don't "believe" btw)
The whole story that this thread was based on is a HORRIFIC exampleA couple of yall are making some solid points though (Joe Camel and Galvelocity) I like to see/hear a good religious discussion where both sides can keep their cool and not start making personal attacks on the other side. It just really baffles me how many people believe in god. Not that it is a bad thing, I just personally could never do it. There is so much unknown that I can never look past... I'm gonna throw something out there that most of you, I would imagine, have already seen.� If you have not, I would appreciate responses from people who are christian to please tell me what goes through your mind when you see information like this... This movie has plenty of bs in different parts so I am just posting the first segment of the religion topic. Feel free to watch the second and third parts if you wish
http://www.youtube.com/v/BNf-P_5u_Hw&fs=1&source=uds&autoplay=0http://www.youtube.com/v/BNf-P_5u_Hw&fs=1&source=uds&autoplay=0
Also, if anybody can disprove these claims I would love to hear it... (I'm really not trying to be sarcastic even though it may be coming across that way)
Playing the oddsOriginally Posted by Prostaffer
correct.
i'd rather die believing in god and finding out he doesn't exist instead of choosing not to believe in him only to find out i'm wrong when i meet him.
Originally Posted by devildog1776
The god that most humans pray to doesn't exist.... There is a creator but that origin is unknown to the masses.... The bible is a metaphor .... The Koran and Torah are also metaphors... They serve a good purpose but that purpose has been institutionalized by the elite to keep a spiritual hold on our lives.... If they lie to us about war , bailouts and global warming.... What do u think they would do to keep us somewhat obedient
Originally Posted by Mr Kuter
This world is quite obedient. Almost everyone plays a role.
Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I hate when people state their opinions like it's a matter-of-fact truth. The bottom line is, no one really knows the truth. Religion is all based on faith and faith alone. If you believe there is a God up there looking down, then there is and visa-versa.
exactly, but a lot of christians feel the need to spread the word. Like a buddy of mine constantly drills us on christ. Like we get it, some of usbelieve, some don't. There is no argument. You either believe or don't.Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I hate when people state their opinions like it's a matter-of-fact truth. The bottom line is, no one really knows the truth. Religion is all based on faith and faith alone. If you believe there is a God up there looking down, then there is and visa-versa.
Or even if you feel like yours is "truth" dont force it on anybody, beating somebody over the head is not gonna get them to change anything........how stupid is that? Christians do this a lot and it makes me shake my head
Originally Posted by oOickusOo
Religion is a way to keep life on earth in order. Governments alone can't see to it that everyone is in line, or civil all of the time. Religions are a way to govern the world through the fear of "God". He's everyone's Santa Claus... Crated so the mindless have divine consequences to consider in everyday life. The religious strive to make the nice list, therefore minimizing corruption, chaos, evil, etc.
Originally Posted by Oh YoU MaD
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
God is playing the SIMS with us, he chooses when to interfere when not to interfere.
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Originally Posted by Mr Kuter
This world is quite obedient. Almost everyone plays a role.
How? somebody playing the "role" of terrorist is obedient because he's playing his role? or a rapist is being obedient by doing "what he does"...........
Originally Posted by ljlukelj
exactly, but a lot of christians feel the need to spread the word. Like a buddy of mine constantly drills us on christ. Like we get it, some of us believe, some don't. There is no argument. You either believe or don't.Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Originally Posted by ljlukelj
I hate when people state their opinions like it's a matter-of-fact truth. The bottom line is, no one really knows the truth. Religion is all based on faith and faith alone. If you believe there is a God up there looking down, then there is and visa-versa.
Or even if you feel like yours is "truth" dont force it on anybody, beating somebody over the head is not gonna get them to change anything........how stupid is that? Christians do this a lot and it makes me shake my head
When people say things like "they do or do not exist" like how the hell do you know?
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
God is playing the SIMS with us, he chooses when to interfere when not to interfere.
God exist to you now? see you cant say he doessnt then comment about what he does and does not do.........."i dont believe in water, but man do i hate when it rains"
Originally Posted by devildog1776
The god that most humans pray to doesn't exist.... There is a creator but that origin is unknown to the masses.... The bible is a metaphor .... The Koran and Torah are also metaphors... They serve a good purpose but that purpose has been institutionalized by the elite to keep a spiritual hold on our lives.... If they lie to us about war , bailouts and global warming.... What do u think they would do to keep us somewhat obedient
Originally Posted by Mr Kuter
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Originally Posted by Mr Kuter
This world is quite obedient. Almost everyone plays a role.
How? somebody playing the "role" of terrorist is obedient because he's playing his role? or a rapist is being obedient by doing "what he does"...........
Small people out of the masses. Most people go to work. Have babies. Go to their religious center, tithe. Vote when its time. Have holidays around their religious faiths. Go to school. Watch tv and movies. Listen to pop music. Most people are obedient. Most people aren't rapists.