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Originally Posted by quiickz
Originally Posted by Cz7
I dont think that can be the case, most religions are just fundamentally incompatible, and a belief in God will not equal salvation, but you also have to admit to a host of other supernatural claims and do specific rituals. This is what the holy books say, because YOU want to adopt a all-loving all inclusive philosophy on God doesn't make it true, because it is simply not what he is and he NEVER claims to be in any of his books.
Can you explain what you mean by this?
When was the last time you credited God for anything?Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
lobotomybeats:
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
lobotomybeats:
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
of course free will explains why god "lets" bad things happen...
as long as there is no divine intervention, we have free will....
if a drunk driver hits you walking home, it's not cause god planned it...
it's cause dude had the free will to drink and run you over....
period.
there isn't a higher power "sitting in the clouds" controlling weather and traffic patterns and @$!@...
ya'll don't wanna hear my theory on our creation....
especially since i hear the big bang was created by two membrane-like structures of super-energetic plasma slapping together....
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation."the creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. for the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, butby the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom ofthe children of God." (Romans 8: 19-21)Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
Originally Posted by eNPHAN
WHAT PEOPLE HATE TO HEAR, AND ARE AFRAID OF
IS THAT THE UNIVERSE IS INDIFFERENT
Bolded huge for emphasis.Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
Afraid to comment on something already spoken about for the hundredth time here on Niketalk? Beyond POINTLESS!Originally Posted by Cz7
Originally Posted by SunDOOBIE
8 pages of the same recycled arguments. Entertaining stuff. Keep it up!
and another utterly meaningless comment from someone too afraid to voice his opinion.
If you don't believe.. more power to you.
If you believe, even more power to you because you have to deal with these antagonizing questions.
Instead of starting a new thread.. .why don't you folks just continue the bickering in these posts?
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YAWNNNN
Originally Posted by Cz7
When was the last time you credited God for anything?Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
lobotomybeats:
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
Why is it that when good things happen, there is no god to credit anything for, but then we put him out there for us to blame when something tragic happens?
"God doesn't exist to me... except when I want to briefly submit to the concept so I can blame him for that tsunami. Once that's all settled and out of the news, I'll go back to saying he doesn't exist... until the next major tragedy."
Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey
If God is omniprescent and omniscient and he is all-knowing....Then He knows your every move, what you are thinking, your choices in the future and the decisions you will take and make in your life. So using this logic, our so-called free will cannot override God's omniscience. Everything we think and do is already known to Him and has been known to him for all eternity past. So let's say then that you believe in the power of prayer...What is prayer supposed to change really?You will pray if God already knows you will and you won't do it if he already knows you won't. He's known forever whether or not you'll repent. You can't change that. The decision is not yours to make, because using the logic that God is omniprescent and all-knowing, then the prophecy overrides everything unless the Bible, and therefore God, is wrong. Do we really have the free will as God's follower suggest we do?Let me give an analogy to compare this to...It is like a skilled magician asking someone to choose a card from a stacked deck, at first it appears to be a free choice, but the magician knows the outcome before he even offers the deck. Do we really have the free will?
So, then technically, if he does know about our future choices, then we aren't really making choices nor do we have free will, we're just following a predestined plan.
lobotomybeats:
yeah I was being sarcastic. Omnipotence doesn't end with things only imposed by others. I don't attribute natural disasters to anything other than nature.... Not the supernatural.
My fault, then.
Originally Posted by VIOLET24
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation. "the creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. for the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." (Romans 8: 19-21)Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
it's a reflection of sin, just like disease and suffering are.
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation.Originally Posted by VIOLET24
lobotomybeats wrote:
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
"the creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. for the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but
by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of
the children of God." (Romans 8: 19-21)
it's a reflection of sin, just like disease and suffering are.
Originally Posted by NEIGHB0RH00D
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation.Originally Posted by VIOLET24
lobotomybeats wrote:
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
"the creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. for the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but
by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of
the children of God." (Romans 8: 19-21)
it's a reflection of sin, just like disease and suffering are.
Is that you, Mr. Robertson? Get this clown a straight jacket and take away any sharp objects ASAP. Good luck hanging a crucifix on the padded walls and please take it easy on Nurse Ratched.
Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Originally Posted by VIOLET24
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation. "the creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. for the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." (Romans 8: 19-21)Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Free Will doesn't explain all of the other douche bag things that 'god' does. He did wonders with that earthquake. Bravo god!
it's a reflection of sin, just like disease and suffering are.
Is that you, Mr. Robertson? Get this clown a straight jacket and take away any sharp objects ASAP. Good luck hanging a crucifix on the padded walls and please take it easy on Nurse Ratched.
There's passages in all 3 big religions that talk about punishment for your sins through reincarnation. Something like if you sin in this lifeyou'll come back as your own grandson born with some deformity. They even attribute this process of punishment to why some ppl are born blind among otherthings.Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Jesus dude, does this mean by your definition the Haitians are a-holes? Did they have it coming? Would locusts have been sufficient?
Originally Posted by Master Zik
There's passages in all 3 big religions that talk about punishment for your sins through reincarnation. Something like if you sin in this life you'll come back as your own grandson born with some deformity. They even attribute this process of punishment to why some ppl are born blind among other things.Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Jesus dude, does this mean by your definition the Haitians are a-holes? Did they have it coming? Would locusts have been sufficient?
So basically it's not they had it coming to them but they're being punished for their sins in a previous life.
What in my post implied I believed such nonsense?Originally Posted by Cz7
and you actually believe that?Originally Posted by Master Zik
There's passages in all 3 big religions that talk about punishment for your sins through reincarnation. Something like if you sin in this life you'll come back as your own grandson born with some deformity. They even attribute this process of punishment to why some ppl are born blind among other things.Originally Posted by lobotomybeats
Jesus dude, does this mean by your definition the Haitians are a-holes? Did they have it coming? Would locusts have been sufficient?
So basically it's not they had it coming to them but they're being punished for their sins in a previous life.
Oh so Haitians were a-holes in past lives? So when you are reincarnated you are reincarnated with people of the same ilk? Come on! I can't be the only one loving this! Haha. Any more tales?
You're not always reincarnated in your own family but basically that's what it isYou sin now and GOD punishes you by making you come back to this world withsome horrible ailment or worse.
Reincarnation in Buddhism and Hinduism(a couple other religions too) is the same exact thing (save being reincarnated in the same family part).
Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey
If God is omniprescent and omniscient and he is all-knowing....Then He knows your every move, what you are thinking, your choices in the future and the decisions you will take and make in your life. So using this logic, our so-called free will cannot override God's omniscience. Everything we think and do is already known to Him and has been known to him for all eternity past. So let's say then that you believe in the power of prayer...What is prayer supposed to change really?You will pray if God already knows you will and you won't do it if he already knows you won't. He's known forever whether or not you'll repent. You can't change that. The decision is not yours to make, because using the logic that God is omniprescent and all-knowing, then the prophecy overrides everything unless the Bible, and therefore God, is wrong. Do we really have the free will as God's follower suggest we do?Let me give an analogy to compare this to...It is like a skilled magician asking someone to choose a card from a stacked deck, at first it appears to be a free choice, but the magician knows the outcome before he even offers the deck. Do we really have the free will?
So, then technically, if he does know about our future choices, then we aren't really making choices nor do we have free will, we're just following a predestined plan.