I can cosign box (depth) jumps too. Back when I used to be able to dunk off a pure vert, which seems SO long ago right now that was my favorite one. You not only get higher but you get those quick hops too, those Shawn Marion/Amare I jump twice before you jump once type of hops which come in handy, I just weighed in a 298.8 which is easily the fattest ever. Unacceptable, so I got to stop talking about it and be about it. I'm not just going to do before and after photos though, bout to shoot some vlog type video too so if (when) I make it Im'ma get some type of endorsement of deal out of it. If (when) I'm done, I'll post it. If not, they'll never see the light of day. Bout to cop these Hyperdunk + from Finishline for $159 (seems like a price mistake by the way, they're like damn near $300 everywhere else and yes I'm sure these are the + ones) since vertical and speeed are part of my goal and I'll want to effectively track that. It's going to hurt my feeling working out in these though given how expensive they are and the fact I'm going to be creasing them.