President to propose free community college on Friday

[tay1]

Not everyone qualifies for grants or scholarships. People like to throw that around all the time, but just because they're there, it doesn't mean you will get them.

People also ignore the fact that just because they're two year schools, that that's all it takes to meet the requirements to transfer or graduate. And it's not for PLENTY of majors. I went to my CC straight out of HS (17), and I just turned 22, and I'm just now leaving. I have one more semester. My major is computer science, and it requires a bunch of math before I even transfer. I placed in the second lowest math class at that school. That class was Pre Algebra. After that I had to take, Elementary Algebra, Intermediate Algebra, Trigonometry, Pre-Calculus, Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations. That's 10 ******* math classes, all before I transfer. No way in hell that's going to be done in two years. I'm not the only one in a situation like that. It's pretty damn normal actually. Especially when the school you go to doesn't even offer the classes you need to take, and can't go to another school, so the process can be even longer. To get a Stem degree, it will take at least 2 more years to meet the requirements to transfer or graduate. If a person were to use all of the grants they were offered, they wouldn't have much for the four year universities. You can only get 6 years worth of pell grants by the way. So not only would this help some folks get an AA, it will help people with their financial situation when it comes to loans and all that.

 

[Top Boy]

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Not everyone qualifies for grants or scholarships. People like to throw that around all the time, but just because they're there, it doesn't mean you will get them.

People also ignore the fact that just because they're two year schools, that that's all it takes to meet the requirements to transfer or graduate. And it's not for PLENTY of majors. I went to my CC straight out of HS (17), and I just turned 22, and I'm just now leaving. I have one more semester. My major is computer science, and it requires a bunch of math before I even transfer. I placed in the second lowest math class at that school. That class was Pre Algebra. After that I had to take, Elementary Algebra, Intermediate Algebra, Trigonometry, Pre-Calculus, Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations. That's 10 ******* math classes, all before I transfer. No way in hell that's going to be done in two years. I'm not the only one in a situation like that. It's pretty damn normal actually. Especially when the school you go to doesn't even offer the classes you need to take, and can't go to another school, so the process can be even longer. To get a Stem degree, it will take at least 2 more years to meet the requirements to transfer or graduate. If a person were to use all of the grants they were offered, they wouldn't have much for the four year universities. You can only get 6 years worth of pell grants by the way. So not only would this help some folks get an AA, it will help people with their financial situation when it comes to loans and all that.

Same situation. Changed my major to Computer Science and I need so many extra math classes it pretty much pushed me back a year and a half.

Have to take math year round now just to graduate on time.

Luckily I placed straight into precal/trig, which is good because although im good at math when I care to learn it, payed absolutely no attention in my HS math classes.

Pretty much learned through osmosis

 

[wrightone86]

I went to private school all my life and was on financial aid during all my years there. When I was a Sophmore, we had financial planners coming to school to help prep families for how to reduce their "income" and their assets in such a way to maximize grants and scholarships received. I mean for me it was helpful as my mom had an easier time in helping to fund my undergrad tuition. But I had friends whose parents were pulling in combined incomes over close to a million getting grants and scholarships that they shouldn't be receiving.

But it is what it is.

Yea those are the perks of that private school life. The person at my job fussing about this graduated from private school and her parents paid for her and her 3 siblings to all go and all go to college as well. They have a beach house in AC and everything.

My public school wasn't the best at helping you. They basically would just tell you your GPA and SAT scores and try to guide you through the application process to schools that would be a good fit for what you want to get into. If we had done it right... I lived with my grandparents and they made over six figures combined for income. My mother was a single parent with 2 sons on a teacher's salary. We should have switched me over to my mom's address (live 10 minutes down the road) a couple years prior and then apply for FASFA with just her income as a teacher. I would have gotten tuition assistance this way. Since we didn't, when i filed FASFA came back saying that I was awarded $0 for help

Luckily my grandparents were in a position where they still wrote a check every semester, so I still went for free and I don't have any student loans of my own to worry about

It is sad that you have to know work-arounds and things like this to actually benefit a lot of the time. The issue lies in that the people that actually need the help might not know about it, and the people that do, and have the means to get the people to show them how, probably don't really need it, but it will help them out in the end anyways.

 

[wrightone86]

 
That class was Pre Algebra. After that I had to take, Elementary Algebra, Intermediate Algebra, Trigonometry, Pre-Calculus, Calculus I, Calculus II, Calculus III, Linear Algebra, and Differential Equations. That's 10 ******* math classes, all before I transfer.

I started out Computer Engineering and still went with an IT&E degree concentration in Web Dev, so I feel for you and those math classes man. I was telling Biggie in another chat, that I am so glad to not have to worry about another math class ever again.

But when my little one goes to school and I have to brush up and have a refresher on them to help him at home

My little brother is an engineering major now as well, so I will have to get him to tutor his nephew until I get back up to speed

 

 

[tay1]

 
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Same situation. Changed my major to Computer Science and I need so many extra math classes it pretty much pushed me back a year and a half.

Have to take math year round now just to graduate on time.

Luckily I placed straight into precal/trig, which is good because although im good at math when I care to learn it, payed absolutely no attention in my HS math classes.

Pretty much learned through osmosis

Yeah, I only went up to Intermediate Algebra (Algebra 2) in HS, so when I saw all that trig and calculus on that placement test, I was like

 

I started out Computer Engineering and still went with an IT&E degree concentration in Wed Dev, so I feel for you and those math classes man. I was telling Biggie in another chat, that I am so glad to not have to worry about another math class ever again.

But when my little one goes to school and I have to brush up and have a refresher on them to help him at home

My little brother is an engineering major now as well, so I will have to get him to tutor his nephew until I get back up to speed

Yeah man, it's crazy. What sucks is that with what I want to do, there's very little math that I have to actually deal with, and even if I do, it's all under the hood and taken care, I just have to implement the proper code to get it going. That's the most frustrating part to me.

 

[wrightone86]

 
Yeah, I only went up to Intermediate Algebra (Algebra 2) in HS, so when I saw all that trig and calculus on that placement test, I was like

Yeah man, it's crazy. What sucks is that with what I want to do, there's very little math that I have to actually deal with, and even if I do, it's all under the hood and taken care, I just have to implement the proper code to get it going. That's the most frustrating part to me.

I hear you man. I do systems engineering now and the most math I have to worry about is making sure we have plenty of storage space on our SANs for servers and backups, and then determining how many resources are going to be needed when we bring new systems online

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I mean, I guess they are real world math problems, but you definitely don't need 8-12 math classes to figure it out.

My last job, we did had a "computer scientist" and he looked at systems as numbers and would come up with custom formulas for the devs to use in the programs that they were designing. Watching him work that stuff out was

to me and pretty cool. He had a statistics background, so it made more sense than if he were to be a pure IT guy formulating things like that.

 

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[biggie62]

Yea those are the perks of that private school life. The person at my job fussing about this graduated from private school and her parents paid for her and her 3 siblings to all go and all go to college as well. They have a beach house in AC and everything.

My public school wasn't the best at helping you. They basically would just tell you your GPA and SAT scores and try to guide you through the application process to schools that would be a good fit for what you want to get into. If we had done it right... I lived with my grandparents and they made over six figures combined for income. My mother was a single parent with 2 sons on a teacher's salary. We should have switched me over to my mom's address (live 10 minutes down the road) a couple years prior and then apply for FASFA with just her income as a teacher. I would have gotten tuition assistance this way. Since we didn't, when i filed FASFA came back saying that I was awarded $0 for help

Luckily my grandparents were in a position where they still wrote a check every semester, so I still went for free and I don't have any student loans of my own to worry about

It is sad that you have to know work-arounds and things like this to actually benefit a lot of the time. The issue lies in that the people that actually need the help might not know about it, and the people that do, and have the means to get the people to show them how, probably don't really need it, but it will help them out in the end anyways.

Yup I agree 100%. It's part of the benefit of going to a private school. I mean most private schools rarely offer any sort of financial aid other than scholarships. I was lucky that I chose a school that actually did. NYC public schools other than a few, especially in my neighborhood, so my mom really had no choice early on when we moved to New York.

I hear you man. I do systems engineering now and the most math I have to worry about is making sure we have plenty of storage space on our SANs for servers and backups, and then determining how many resources are going to be needed when we bring new systems online .

I mean, I guess they are real world math problems, but you definitely don't need 8-12 math classes to figure it out.

My last job, we did had a "computer scientist" and he looked at systems as numbers and would come up with custom formulas for the devs to use in the programs that they were designing. Watching him work that stuff out was to me and pretty cool. He had a statistics background, so it made more sense than if he were to be a pure IT guy formulating things like that.

I have quite a few friends in my grad program that are finishing up their MBAs with a Stats + IS dual degree.

 

[tay1]

 
I hear you man. I do systems engineering now and the most math I have to worry about is making sure we have plenty of storage space on our SANs for servers and backups, and then determining how many resources are going to be needed when we bring new systems online

.

I mean, I guess they are real world math problems, but you definitely don't need 8-12 math classes to figure it out.

My last job, we did had a "computer scientist" and he looked at systems as numbers and would come up with custom formulas for the devs to use in the programs that they were designing. Watching him work that stuff out was

to me and pretty cool. He had a statistics background, so it made more sense than if he were to be a pure IT guy formulating things like that.

Yeah, we have to get real spicy with algorithms and all that. That's what I'm most looking forward to. I'm fortunate enough to not have to take statistics at this point, but I will have to after I transfer. But that is one upside to majoring in what  we do. If we fail at finding a job, we could easily become math teachers

 

[ksteezy]

Not excited about this at all.

How will we pay for it?

If everyone can go to a two year university, an associates degree will literally be worthless. I mean they aren't much now but it still sets you apart.

Community college IS free the first time around depending on your parents income....after Fasfa and all the aid I received, every semester I would actually cash out about 2000$ check from school, so I was actually PAID to go to school...

What Obama needs to do is find a way to forgive at least a fraction of remaining student loans, Sally Mae has half the country by the balls.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Cats parents shouldn't be claiming them on taxes once their in college anyways, thats whats screwing you guys up from getting grants and income based aid.

 

[stay lurkin]

Cats parents shouldn't be claiming them on taxes once their in college anyways, thats whats screwing you guys up from getting grants and income based aid.

 

[tay1]

Cats parents shouldn't be claiming them on taxes once their in college anyways, thats whats screwing you guys up from getting grants and income based aid.

You remain a dependent until your 24 though, or unless your making a little money.

 

[luckyluchiano]

You remain a dependent until your 24 though, or unless your making a little money.

I started claiming independent my Soph or junior yr, but I had a on campus PT job and eventually got a pt job at Best Buy, lol but heck if you can go to college and not work a PT job you must have it good and dont need Scholarships.

 

[4318michaeljohnson4318]

I started claiming independent my Soph or junior yr, but I had a on campus PT job and eventually got a pt job at Best Buy, lol but heck if you can go to college and not work a PT job you must have it good and dont need Scholarships.

you can be independent on your taxes but still dependent on fafsa

 

[PRIME]

Finna rack up on dem degree's

 

[tay1]

I started claiming independent my Soph or junior yr, but I had a on campus PT job and eventually got a pt job at Best Buy, lol but heck if you can go to college and not work a PT job you must have it good and dont need Scholarships.

you can be independent on your taxes but still dependent on fafsa

Yeah because that's how it is with me. I made more than the money that's required to be a dependent so I have to do my taxes and all that, but on my fafsa I'm still a dependent.

 

[agentorange]

So parents shouldnt be claiming college students on taxes? What if the student doesnt work or has a work-study job that doesnt pay much?

 

[luckyluchiano]

When I claimed independent on Taxes I claimed Independent on Fafsa, the Fafsa is what matters, if you claim dependent you have to report your parents income, if you're independent you more than likely dont make crap so that opens you up for more pell grant and other income based grants. Unless your parents are paying for your schooling out of pocket or plan on taking on your loans I dont see the logic of putting them on your fafsa. Low income = more financial need = more grants,loan money, etc. Lotta kids have to get private loans cause their parents make too much for them to get Govt Loans, when if they would have filed independent could have gotten the Govt loans.

 

[heliumclinton]

Community college IS free the first time around depending on your parents income.....

Ok .. and Obama is proposing that CC be free for everybody not depending on parents income

I know a few friends whose parents had $$$ so they didn't qualify for grants and they didn't help them pay for anything. Told them they were 18 and they had to figure it out on their own like they did.

 

[4318michaeljohnson4318]

When I claimed independent on Taxes I claimed Independent on Fafsa, the Fafsa is what matters, if you claim dependent you have to report your parents income, if you're independent you more than likely dont make crap so that opens you up for more pell grant and other income based grants. Unless your parents are paying for your schooling out of pocket or plan on taking on your loans I dont see the logic of putting them on your fafsa. Low income = more financial need = more grants,loan money, etc. Lotta kids have to get private loans cause their parents make too much for them to get Govt Loans, when if they would have filed independent could have gotten the Govt loans.

They force you to. You dont choose the FAFSA status now it chooses it for you.

 

[tay1]

When I claimed independent on Taxes I claimed Independent on Fafsa, the Fafsa is what matters, if you claim dependent you have to report your parents income, if you're independent you more than likely dont make crap so that opens you up for more pell grant and other income based grants. Unless your parents are paying for your schooling out of pocket or plan on taking on your loans I dont see the logic of putting them on your fafsa. Low income = more financial need = more grants,loan money, etc. Lotta kids have to get private loans cause their parents make too much for them to get Govt Loans, when if they would have filed independent could have gotten the Govt loans.

Fafsa determines if you are  dependent or not. They base it off of the information you have to enter.

 

[luckyluchiano]

They force you to. You dont choose the FAFSA status now it chooses it for you.

I was in school from 07-2011 so Idk how stuff is now, could have changed.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Ok .. and Obama is proposing that CC be free for everybody not depending on parents income

I know a few friends whose parents had $$$ so they didn't qualify for grants and they didn't help them pay for anything. Told them they were 18 and they had to figure it out on their own like they did.

no wonder so many rich kids are on drugs or suicidal with garbage parents like that lol. You provide your kid the opportunity to get an education, once they are trained in whatever they are trying to do then let them sink or swim, but whatever.

 

[4318michaeljohnson4318]

I was in school from 07-2011 so Idk how stuff is now, could have changed.

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sites/default/files/fafsa-dependency.pdf

Long story short you have to be a minimum of 24 to be dependent.