President to propose free community college on Friday

[tay1]

This is so hilarious to me. Not saying it has never happened ever but it is definitely an outlier. I got Pell Grants and Fed Loans and was STRUGGLING freshman year.

The "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps" set is comical to me. First it's "Get a job" then it's "Get a better job" then it's "Get an education to get a better job" now it's "Get a better job to get an education"

I wish the "I did it all myself" folks would just say that they hate poor people. Be honest with yourselves.

Damn shame on the precedent that's set upon folks by these I did it all my selfers, and that lowkey may be the reason they act like this.

 

[bravelude]

Yeah, all these silly kids that want 'free' hand outs and 'free' degrees are 'lazy'.  As said and discussed countless amount of times, the US is still the cleanest dirty shirt out there and still provides A LOT more opportunities than any other country.  For those that cannot bridge what I said earlier or even understand what Obama is about, they ought to wake up.  Obama is a socialist!

There is nothing to really discuss either, as mentioned.  WHO is going to FOOT THE BILL ? Tax payers silly.

 

[bravelude]

This is so hilarious to me. Not saying it has never happened ever but it is definitely an outlier. I got Pell Grants and Fed Loans and was STRUGGLING freshman year.

The "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps" set is comical to me. First it's "Get a job" then it's "Get a better job" then it's "Get an education to get a better job" now it's "Get a better job to get an education"

I wish the "I did it all myself" folks would just say that they hate poor people. Be honest with yourselves.

No one is really saying that.  Rather, they simply don't want to put in the effort.  The US offers so much for individuals, so much welfare, so much freebies it ain't even about the government or system anymore.  Rather, LOOK at the OPPORTUNITIES as you've said and take advantage of it.  As you've said, 'free' education and 'incentives' in the form of grants, scholarships, etc. etc. are abundant. 

Now people who don't want to strive or pull themselves out are often the ones that simply don't wanna put in the effort.  They are the same ones that CHOOSE to live that lifestyle.  No excuses, yet no one is blaming them either. Although it bugs people that actually work, actually pay taxes.

 

[me662ll a]

Don't listen to ME66 he suffers from PTSD

I don't personally know anyone that has this, but it's not funny to joke about. 

 

[luckyluchiano]

No one is really saying that.  Rather, they simply don't want to put in the effort.  The US offers so much for individuals, so much welfare, so much freebies it ain't even about the government or system anymore.  Rather, LOOK at the OPPORTUNITIES as you've said and take advantage of it.  As you've said, 'free' education and 'incentives' in the form of grants, scholarships, etc. etc. are abundant. 

Now people who don't want to strive or pull themselves out are often the ones that simply don't wanna put in the effort.  They are the same ones that CHOOSE to live that lifestyle.  No excuses, yet no one is blaming them either. Although it bugs people that actually work, actually pay taxes.

Who are the "they" you are referring to? who are the people choosing to be poor?

 

[tay1]

 
No one is really saying that.  Rather, they simply don't want to put in the effort.  The US offers so much for individuals, so much welfare, so much freebies it ain't even about the government or system anymore.  Rather, LOOK at the OPPORTUNITIES as you've said and take advantage of it.  As you've said, 'free' education and 'incentives' in the form of grants, scholarships, etc. etc. are abundant. 

Now people who don't want to strive or pull themselves out are often the ones that simply don't wanna put in the effort.  They are the same ones that CHOOSE to live that lifestyle.  No excuses, yet no one is blaming them either. Although it bugs people that actually work, actually pay taxes.

You're really trying to bring this back to level 1 when we already ran through all this nonsense. We've already stated that just because there are opportunities out there, it doesn't mean that they are accessible.

 

[Versailles]

Here are the facts.

The numbers:

If all 50 states choose to implement the President's new community college proposal, it could:

Save a full-time community college student $3,800 in tuition per year on average
Benefit roughly 9 million students each year

Under President Obama's new proposal, students would be able to earn the first half of a bachelor's degree, or earn the technical skills needed in the workforce -- all at no cost to them.

The requirements:

- What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
- What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
-What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.

 

[sharkin]

Lol well PA's already out then

 

[tay1]

Here are the facts.

The numbers:

If all 50 states choose to implement the President's new community college proposal, it could:

Save a full-time community college student $3,800 in tuition per year on average
Benefit roughly 9 million students each year

Under President Obama's new proposal, students would be able to earn the first half of a bachelor's degree, or earn the technical skills needed in the workforce -- all at no cost to them.

The requirements:

- What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
- What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
-What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.

I can roll with that. Only thing I'd change is that they should be full time.

 

[heliumclinton]

If they are full time, how are they going to work? You know to save "me" some "tax" money

 

[tay1]

If they are full time, how are they going to work? You know to save "me" some "tax" money

Online classes

Now that I mention it, I'm surprised that more classes like History aren't majority online. Art, history,psychology, sociology, and all the heavy reading stuff should be online.

 

[fantastic4our]

I disagree with the full time. Most people that would need such a program probably need to work full time to live. I like that it is only for in demand degrees.

No one is really saying that.  Rather, they simply don't want to put in the effort.  The US offers so much for individuals, so much welfare, so much freebies it ain't even about the government or system anymore.  Rather, LOOK at the OPPORTUNITIES as you've said and take advantage of it.  As you've said, 'free' education and 'incentives' in the form of grants, scholarships, etc. etc. are abundant. 

Now people who don't want to strive or pull themselves out are often the ones that simply don't wanna put in the effort.  They are the same ones that CHOOSE to live that lifestyle.  No excuses, yet no one is blaming them either. Although it bugs people that actually work, actually pay taxes.

People that don't want to put in the effort are not going to enroll in college en masse . There are plenty of people who would LOVE to take classes in whatever to better their situation but can't afford it. Hell, I would right now if I had the disposable bread.

It's been said plenty of times that people need to get a better job (the $15 minimum wage discussions). Now that a viable means of achieving better jobs is presented, it's an issue? The dissenters just gotta admit their classism because it's nothing else.

Folk love to talk about "welfare" that some folks need just to put food on the table but never talk about the HUUUUUUGE corporate incentives that line the pockets of millionaires and send jobs overseas.

 

[tay1]

Alright what about 3/4th time? That's 3 classes.

 

[zapatohead408]

Here are the facts.

The numbers:

If all 50 states choose to implement the President's new community college proposal, it could:

Save a full-time community college student $3,800 in tuition per year on average
Benefit roughly 9 million students each year

Under President Obama's new proposal, students would be able to earn the first half of a bachelor's degree, or earn the technical skills needed in the workforce -- all at no cost to them.

The requirements:

- What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.
- What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.
-What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.

the only thing I like about the democratic party is that hey back Labor unions. This will hurt labor unions

 

[freelythinkingmind]

So this is happening? Is there a start date?

 

[Versailles]

So this is happening? Is there a start date?

nope lol, probably not anytime in the near future since congress is controlled by the GOP.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Here are the facts.


The numbers:


If all 50 states choose to implement the President's new community college proposal, it could:


Save a full-time community college student $3,800 in tuition per year on average

Benefit roughly 9 million students each year


Under President Obama's new proposal, students would be able to earn the first half of a bachelor's degree, or earn the technical skills needed in the workforce -- all at no cost to them.


The requirements:


- What students have to do: Students must attend community college at least half-time, maintain a 2.5 GPA, and make steady progress toward completing their program.

- What community colleges have to do: Community colleges will be expected to offer programs that are either 1) academic programs that fully transfer credits to local public four-year colleges and universities, or 2) occupational training programs with high graduation rates and lead to in-demand degrees and certificates. Community colleges must also adopt promising and evidence-based institutional reforms to improve student outcomes.

-What the federal government has to do: Federal funding will cover three-quarters of the average cost of community college. Participating states will be expected to contribute the remaining funds necessary to eliminate the tuition for eligible students.

I can roll with that. Only thing I'd change is that they should be full time.

What difference does it make though?

 

[tay1]

What difference does it make though?

None really. I was just thinking that if we were to get free CC, it should be used at it's maximum potential. But I can understand how 4 classes is a heavy load, so it's whatever.

 

[fontaine]

Side note...

Get mad at obeezy for raising taxes...

But not mad at corps for skipping on taxes...

Seems legit

 

[biggie62]

Side note...

Get mad at obeezy for raising taxes...

But not mad at corps for skipping on taxes...

Seems legit

But corporations are people too :\

What I found out as a whole is that people are to set in their ways. They refuse to listen to reason and outside sources because they are too set in their ways.

 

[Thats My Word]

Free or much more accessible education for all seems like a great idea.

Heck, I was basically being paid to go to college with the free financial aid and grants I got.

 

[Chiron]

I don't really like the 2.5 minimum. If we are rewarding hard work that should be like a 3.25. I can sleep through a 2.5

 

[3am scholar]

Maintain a 2.5 GPA?

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[zapatohead408]

Side note...

Get mad at obeezy for raising taxes...

But not mad at corps for skipping on taxes...

Seems legit

Corporations create jobs...

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Side note...

Get mad at obeezy for raising taxes...

But not mad at corps for skipping on taxes...

Seems legit

Corporations create jobs...

Yeah for other countries