* Offiical NBA Off-Season Thread: I'll give one of my damn kidney's for these Melo rumors to stop *

Kurt Thomas has never been especially awesome at anything in particular, but the signing beefs up Chicago's frontcourt and gives them a veteran, defensive presence. While he's not as good as Brad Miller, he will do similar things that Miller did. Decent move.

As for Dallas and Tim Thomas, dude plays multiple positions and fits a major need of theirs, he's the best option for their current price tag...
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by Cicero Avenue Dopeman

Tim Thomas a Bull joe
Nah, you are wrong.

KURT Thomas is a Bull,

JOE.
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kurt>tim

and who ever thought chris paul would turn out to be a %$%%$ boy letting brons dudes play him like a puppet 
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Originally Posted by bright nikes

You really had to write all that for Tim Thomas?
Considering he can fill a need for the Mavericks, and he has a story behind him that not many people know, sure.

And damn right Kurt Thomas is better than Tim Thomas.
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But Kurt Thomas is damn old, Tim is 5 years younger, and for some reason I don't think Kurt would have ever signed with us.


I'm keeping my fingers and toes crossed about Paul, I don't think Portland is a reliable place for Paul to land, just because he might question how he'd mesh with Roy, since Roy pretty much has his hands on the ball most of the game. It really depends on what New Orleans thinks of the Blazers young players. If it's cap relief the Hornets want, they'll need to look elsewhere IMO. Andre Miller and Joel is pretty much it, Batum they'd re-sign, and I don't know if Rudy would be any happier in New Orleans than he would in Portland. Acquiring any PG in reutrn for New Orleans wouldn't make too much sense. Would Batum be enough to satisfy them? I don't think they'd want Bayless.

Orlando makes TOO much sense for it to happen, and I don't think they quite have what Hornets would want (cap relief, young talent). The only other player that's expiring is a Player Option, and no way in hell Mickael Pietrus is walking away from damn near 6 million a year. It makes sense on paper, but getting it done to satisfy New Orleans, that's a different story.

The Knicks have the most realistic offer IMO. They can offer up young talent in Randolph and Danilo, expirings in Eddy Curry and Kelenna Azubuike (who would be a very nice piece just for that year). My only question is how they would go about getting 25 million in contrats OUT of New York. Curry+Kelenna is ~15, Randolph and Danilo is about 5 million, but I don't think the Hornets would want Ronny Turiaf, as he as a player option after this year. They'd have to gut their roster of Bill Walker, Wilson Chandler, Toney Douglas, etc. That leaves a gaping hole in your roster.

Not only that, but they just signed a gaurunteed deal for Raymond Felton for at least the next two years. What do they do with him? New Orleans definitely wouldn't want him, so would you run him at the two, put him as a back-up?


Then there's Dallas. Caron Butler and Tyson Chandler are 23 million off the books with just those two guys. If they want to get rid of Posey, we can take him on too, as we can offer up Stevenson and Barea, another six million. Then we send off Beaubois and DoJo if they want him, as well as picks and cash, and there we go.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Dallas going after Paul. We can offer up the best expirings of those teams he's listed thus far. I also think our young talent isn't bad, compared to Orlando or Portland at least. New York can offer better young talent, but can they afford to tack on Emeka Okafor? (Which is what the Hornets are KEEN on doing). That's my biggest question. Portland just doesn't make too much sense to me with a guy like Roy who has the ball in his hands so much.

I'm sure more teams will join the fray and try to pry away Paul, and I'm not trying to be over-enthused that we're going after him, because we were before, and it didn't happen, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Plus, what the hell would we do with Kidd? I know he's wanted his minutes reduced (especially after last year), but I don't know..
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Knicks still have cap space so the salaries in the trades don't really have to match up exactly
 
Curry, Gallo OR Chandler, Azubuike, and Randolph for CP3

But this would take our flexibility away to sign Melo or another FA next year
 
i just dont see paul being all that successful in orlando. dwight needs to work on his offense ol lazy %%% dude cuz paul just gonna lob to him...

also people say that orlando has better pieces? like what though? who the %@#* wants bass or gortat? why would the hornets need nelson? only thing that makes sense is carter's contract.

if orlando lands paul they still gonna be the 4th best team in the east. Dwight needs to man the %@#* up and work on his game

paul
jj
fench jordan
shard
howard

okafor
Q
anderson
duhon

still the 4th best team in the east

lebron needs to stop being a *#+$@ and let paul go to new york. the least who could do for being a +#!% tease to them for 2 years...
 
Originally Posted by itzbooranss

Curry, Gallo OR Chandler, Azubuike, and Randolph for CP3

But this would take our flexibility away to sign Melo or another FA next year

this is why the knicks need to wait and see if anthony signs the extension. if he does go all in for paul.

Currys contract, Gallo and Randolph, plus a 1st rounder or 2 imo would be better than what orlando is giving. 

hornets get an expiring plus 2 young future stars plus 2 first rounders.

and if anthony doesnt sign the extension the knicks can still try to trade away felton to try and get anthony next year.
  
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by itzbooranss

Curry, Gallo OR Chandler, Azubuike, and Randolph for CP3

But this would take our flexibility away to sign Melo or another FA next year
this is why the knicks need to wait and see if anthony signs the extension. if he does go all in for paul.

Currys contract, Gallo and Randolph, plus a 1st rounder or 2 imo would be better than what orlando is giving. 

hornets get an expiring plus 2 young future stars plus 2 first rounders.

and if anthony doesnt sign the extension the knicks can still try to trade away felton to try and get anthony next year.
The Knicks are talking as if they'd only give up one of their two young pieces.

If they get Paul, there's pretty much zero chance they land Carmelo, unless they can somehow unload Emeka AND Felton.

Emeka has to be apart of the deal for Paul.
 
Denver has said Anthony won't be traded, and I would honestly be very surprised if any team tried to trade for him this season.
 
So, what are my chances of getting Oden and Batum back?

I know, as sure as I'm sitting here, that Oden is damaged goods, though, so that doesn't even appeal to me as much as it could.

Still, Portland is an alright option. New York is still tops by a lot, though.

Dallas and Orlando?
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I'd be entirely happy if it's Chandler who we give up instead of Gallo.

PG- CP3
SG- ???
SF- Gallo
PF- STAT
C- Okafor
 
Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason

So, what are my chances of getting Oden and Batum back?

I know, as sure as I'm sitting here, that Oden is damaged goods, though, so that doesn't even appeal to me as much as it could.

Still, Portland is an alright option. New York is still tops by a lot, though.

Dallas and Orlando?
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Eh, I wouldn't count on getting both Oden and Batum, but hell what do I know, maybe they really want to go out on a limb and go get Paul, and maybe the Hornets would like Oden. The thing is though, they'll have a DAMN hard time matching salaries if they don't include Oden, so I don't know. The Hornets wouldn't, and shouldn't want Camby. If the Hornets don't want Oden, the Blazers are pretty much out of the race. They won't trade Roy or Aldridge, and there are about 2-3 guys who can't be traded. Batum, Bayless, Fernandez, Andre Miller, Pryzbilla, Cunningham, and Pendergraph doesn't work, so unless Oden is in the trade, this is a no-go. And that's a huge if IMO.

New York either has to make the Hornets accept Ronny Turiaf (who has an extra year on his deal), or else have the Knicks gut their roster...

If Hornets can't pry Danilo away, both Randolph and Turiaf would have to be included in order for a deal to work. Curry, Buike, Walker, Chandler, Douglas, and Randolph together don't have enough salary, but substitute Randolph for Danilo and it does.

The smallest deals they can do is either..
A) Azubuike, Curry, Chandler, Rooster, Douglas.
B) Azubuike, Curry, Chandler, Turiaf, Randolph.

Unless they want both Randolph and the Rooster, which would change the complexion of the deal minutely, it'd basically be replacing Douglas from trade A with Randolph, leaving them with an option of Azubuike, Curry, Chandler, Rooster, and Randolph.


Orlando really doesn't have a chance. Any kind of deal they could make would revolve around Carter, Ryan Anderson, and Brandon Bass, unless the Hornets feel like taking back some contracts, would would make NO sense. Unless they feel like giving Paul away, Orlando just doesn't make sense.





New York has the best chance of getting it done IMO, but they won't be left with much outside of Felton, Paul, Okafor, Amare, Mozgov, and either Danilo/Randolph.

Portland is a no-go unless Oden is involved.

If New Orleans strictly wants to save money, Dallas is the team to call. Of the teams listed, they can offer the most cap relief, the Hornets would also be able to shed James Posey. I know you aren't high on Beaubois, but him and Dominique Jones are very interesting combo guards.
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

i just dont see paul being all that successful in orlando. dwight needs to work on his offense ol lazy %%% dude cuz paul just gonna lob to him...

also people say that orlando has better pieces? like what though? who the %@#* wants bass or gortat? why would the hornets need nelson? only thing that makes sense is carter's contract.

if orlando lands paul they still gonna be the 4th best team in the east. Dwight needs to man the %@#* up and work on his game

paul
jj
fench jordan
shard
howard

okafor
Q
anderson
duhon

still the 4th best team in the east

lebron needs to stop being a *#+$@ and let paul go to new york. the least who could do for being a +#!% tease to them for 2 years...
4th Best team in the EAST??????
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 just dont see paul being all that successful in orlando. dwight needs to work on his offense ol lazy %%% dude cuz paul just gonna lob to him...

also people say that orlando has better pieces? like what though? who the %@#* wants bass or gortat? why would the hornets need nelson? only thing that makes sense is carter's contract.

if orlando lands paul they still gonna be the 4th best team in the east. Dwight needs to man the %@#* up and work on his game

paul
jj
fench jordan
shard
howard

okafor
Q
anderson
duhon

still the 4th best team in the east

lebron needs to stop being a *#+$@ and let paul go to new york. the least who could do for being a +#!% tease to them for 2 years...


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Too many things to point out in this quote that are ******ed.
 
Can the Knicks take back Okafor? I like Gallo a lot, and he makes a lot of sense. But Chandler? I guess I just don't see it.

Portland probably makes the most sense from a talent prospective, but they can't put together the contracts to take back any of the bad contracts I don't think..


The only real advantage for the Mavs is that they can eat Okafor and Posey without any issues... I don't know how the trade exceptions work, but even after those two, the Mavs hold more than $10M in trade exceptions. So they've got EVERYTHING needed to eat contracts... Just depends on how teams feel about Roddy and Jones. Maybe with a third team involved they flip Roddy or Jones somewhere for something NO would be more interested in... I dunno. Too much to think about. Either way, they'll have to get lucky.
 
Originally Posted by BangDak

Knicks arent moving Gallo, period.


   you knick fans kill me

all year you guys was hyping him up, then after the all star break yall bash him talking about he is only a chucker and is overrated(which is true)

and now the knicks wont move him? YA OK

if NO ask for gallo they will get gallo
 
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