* Offiical NBA Off-Season Thread: I'll give one of my damn kidney's for these Melo rumors to stop *

Originally Posted by I NaSmatic I

Do the Celtics think they can breeze through the regular season and turn on the switch in the playoffs again?
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Team is taking steps backwards.

How much older can we get? 
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Depressing knowing the window is closing...
 
Messed around on Trade Machine and came up with this.
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Plus have the Rockets and Pacers throw multiple picks to the Hornets.

Pacers get their PG while maintaining their flexibility for 2011.
Rockets get their superstar to lead the team of role players.
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Hornets get cap relief, couple of decent young players and draft picks.
 
Not feeling it for NO.

This is what i came up with. Of course, its a bit homeristic but eh...


Bucks get a backup plan for Bogut with AR and Okafor, although i dont know why they wouldnt just let Redd's contract expire.
NY: Easy, they get CP3 while still being able to save some cap space.
NO: Get their backup point with Toney, and their future replace in Peja and Posey with Chandler, including 29mil in cap space
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The trade also works if NO wanted to send Posey to the Knicks, but the knicks would have to give up some cash considerations/draft pick to even it out, which IMO would make it the most fair. Either way, i dont see it ever happening.
 
I don't think the Hornets would want to take back more money in the short-term, even if it meant saving money in the long-term.

And there would be little to no minutes for Randolph with the Bucks, so better off sending him to the Hornets in that deal.
 
Why in the BLUE HELL would Milwaukee even get the benefit of getting rid of Redd like that, and getting AR in return as well as a very good defensive big (with a bad contract).

That deal is shaft-tastic for the Hornets as well. They get zero young talent. Hype up Toney Douglas all you want, point is he ain't going together in ANY back-court if Collison is involved. Any team can throw together expiring contracts.
 
Kurt Thomas fits what we are trying to do by build a defensive minded team.

Lakers made a real nice signing with Barnes. He and Artest are going to harass the other teams best wing
 
Have fun with the poor man's Rasheed Wallace. Hope you can laugh with Kurt staring down refs getting techs and claiming to never foul anyone
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Other than that yall got a real solid aging player, good defender with a great mid range jump shot.
 
Originally Posted by jmause3

Kurt Thomas fits what we are trying to do by build a defensive minded team.

Lakers made a real nice signing with Barnes. He and Artest are going to harass the other teams best wing


i rather have kurt thomas than barnes
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The lakers are still thin in the front court. looks like odom wont be playing more sf this year like he thought he was....
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by jmause3

Kurt Thomas fits what we are trying to do by build a defensive minded team.

Lakers made a real nice signing with Barnes. He and Artest are going to harass the other teams best wing
i rather have kurt thomas than barnes
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The lakers are still thin in the front court. looks like odom wont be playing more sf this year like he thought he was....
Artest/Odom/Barnes
Pau/Odom
Bynum/Ratliff/Pau

Sprinkle a little bit of Caracter in there, they should be fine. Kurt Thomas would've been a decent piece, but there are still bigs to be had in the FA market. Fours, fives, whatever. Ike Diogu, Malik Allen, Anthony Tolliver if you want a four. If you want a five, Elson, Oberto, Kwame Brown (
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), Joe Smith (a name we don't hear enough of), Steven Hunter, Etan Thomas, Josh Boone.

None of those guys are high-caliber players, but they're players you can bring in, LIKE Ratliff, who will give you quality big-man minutes.

Personally? I'd go after either Ike Diogu, Anthony Tolliver, Kwame, Joe Smith, or Josh Boone. If those guys are your last resort bigs on a contender, very good.

Sorta like a PJ Brown during the Celtics run.
 
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I would like a guy like Barnes on our team.  Don't know what he's lookin for, but if we can afford him, I hope we take a look. 
My first post in this thread, page 2.  *nodding* 

Eh, Ratliff, Blake and Barnes sure ain't sexy, but I'll live with it. 

Kurt Thomas to the Bulls.......talk about a team doin well for itself.  They are going to be intense inside, they givin me a little of that 90's Knicks style with Oak and Mason and Ewing, you get a rebound vs the Bulls, you will have earned it. 
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Mike, Roy damn near demands the ball in his hands, it's why he clashed so much with Andre, in fact, if you watch Bayless, Blake, and any other PG's they've had lately, they will literally look over at Nate every single possession to see what he wants them to do, even if it means missing out on a fastbreak opportunity.  Miller didn't do that stuff, he caught the ball and ran with it like a real point guard should, and Nate didn't like that either.  Ultimately, CP3 and Roy would figure it out, but Roy would have to learn a whole new game playin without the ball.  There are some people that are concerned about that out here., and they have been critical of Roy for a while now about dominating the ball. 

I retract all that @#$% I said earlier about the Rockets. 
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  Yao. 
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That Yao article is depressing as hell.
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I really hope he can stay healthy this season.
 
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Could someone post the Rookie Review from the ESPN insider? Gracias!
Here you go "champ"
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[h1]Rookie Watch: Best of summer[/h1]

By David Thorpe
Scouts Inc.


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Garrett W. Ellwood/NBAE/Getty ImagesAfter an impressive summer showing, Washington's John Wall remains the frontrunner to win ROY.

How players perform during summer league depends on many variables besides their own talent level. How much run do they get? Who are their teammates, and how good are they? How hard have they prepared?

The NBA is filled with players who struggled in previous summer leagues, including Stephen Curry, Omri Casspi and George Hill. Others have played well in July but have not done so when it counts. This is not to say that summer league is worthless. On the contrary, failures and successes can give the rookies a better glimpse into their future and help them plan their pre-training camp routine.

So after two-plus weeks of watching games in Orlando, Fla., and Las Vegas, here's my take on the top-performing rookies of the summer.

1. John Wall, Wizards
Summer-league stats: 23.5 ppg, 7.8 apg, 4 rpg

Wall struggled as a shooter and was caught looking to score more often than I expected, but he was still nothing short of spectacular most of the week. He's just faster than everyone on the floor and is excited to share the ball (most of the time).

He's also totally OK with the idea of being a star and loves putting on a show. Don't read that the wrong way -- he's all about winning, he's a selfless player and he's a huge favorite to win rookie of the year.

2. Damion James, Nets
Summer-league stats: 18.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1 apg

James started off just OK in Orlando and then took off from there. His great energy combined with a solid outside stroke and lots of confidence makes him a scoring machine who just keeps coming at his opponent. It's fair to expect rotation minutes for him at the start of the season.

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Jack Arent/NBAE/Getty ImagesDeMarcus Cousins was the center of attention at summer league.

3. DeMarcus Cousins, Kings
Summer-league stats: 14.5 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 1.2 bpg

In a league that values franchise centers so much, it's still hard to accept how Cousins fell to the fifth pick. We all know about his faults, but his hands, reach and feel will make him a dominant rebounder immediately, and his touch as a finisher is impressive. On top of that, his passing -- both out of the low block and in starting the fast break -- is what has me most excited about him.

4. Luke Harangody, Celtics
Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.6 apg

He doesn't pass the eye test as far as NBA players are concerned, but he passes everything else. He shot the ball well, rebounded like a beast and played just about as well as any rookie could hope to. I'm not sure he'll play in the NBA at all this season, but he certainly showed that he has a future.

5. Derrick Caracter, Lakers
Summer-league stats: 15.4 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 1.4 bpg

Here was my checklist when watching DC this week: Did he rebound ferociously? Did he compete hard on defense? Could he finish shots around the rim? Did his body look ready? Check, check, check and check. The Lakers have to be thrilled they found an NBA player so late in the draft. Now they have to keep him moving in the right direction.

6. Landry Fields, Knicks
Summer-league stats: 15.6 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.6 spg

Like Harangody, Fields does not yet look the part of an NBA player, but his game is spot-on for the Knicks' style. He runs, shoots and finishes, and he has a great feel for the game overall. When considering talent plus fit, I think this may be the best overall draft selection of all 60 picks.

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Garrett W. Ellwood/NBAE/Getty ImagesRaptors fans are hoping Davis will help them forget about Chris Bosh.

7. Ed Davis, Raptors
Summer-league stats: 12.6 ppg, 6 rpg, 1.8 bpg

Davis seemed to get better all week, which was not surprising considering he had not played since a midseason injury. He has a great feel around the basket, which we already knew, but he also showed a somewhat surprising ability to be a solid rim protector. Plus, Davis displayed a very nice pick-and-pop jumper, which will help him earn minutes in November.

8. Larry Sanders, Bucks
Summer-league stats: 14 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 3.2 bpg

Sanders helps prove a point I always like to make: In the NBA, the first guy to the ball normally wins. Sanders is still thin, but his bounce and energy get his hands to the ball first most of the time. Those two talents also earn him quality shots inside. Although he's not a finisher yet, that kind of upside is exciting to Bucks personnel.

9. Lance Stephenson, Pacers
Summer-league stats: 14.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg

He might be young, but he showed better shot selection than anyone else I saw these past two weeks. He missed only eight shots in four games and still averaged almost 15 points per game (it would have been more had he played more than eight minutes in his last game). He did this all while playing a lot of minutes at the point guard spot, which was an experiment that turned out to be a successful one. I loved how competitive he was as well.

10. Dominique Jones, Mavericks
Summer-league stats: 16.6 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 3.4 apg

Jones is super competitive on both sides of the ball and capable of putting up points in bunches. Possessing a great frame for a combo guard, he has every chance to be this year's Marcus Thornton -- ready to play from day one and having the confidence to play in the fourth quarter.

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Fernando Medina/NBAE/Getty Images Drafted third by the Nets, Favors showed he has star potential.

11. Derrick Favors, Nets
Summer-league stats: 10.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.2 apg

In most cases, teams draft players because of what they'll be able to do in a year or two. Guys like Cousins and Wall, who can have an immediate impact, are exceptions, whereas Favors is more of the rule. He showed plenty of upside during summer league, both as an athlete and with his skills (specifically his face-up game). Did he get lost some, lose physical battles and generally zone out during games? Of course. He was the youngest guy on the court almost every time out. But the Nets have a lot to look forward to.

12. Greg Monroe, Pistons
Summer-league stats: 14.6 ppg, 8 rpg, 1.8 spg

Monroe continues to be a bit of an enigma for me. He is a fluid athlete, and I love his ball skills and size. In summer league, that combination is enough to put up some good numbers. But he was not a player that looked to have an impact on every possession the way guys like Wall and Cousins did. Until he grows into that guy, he will frustrate Pistons fans as much as he will make them smile.

13. Gani Lawal, Suns
Summer-league stats: 15.4 ppg, 7.4 rpg, 1 bpg

Lawal represents the highest-ranked player here that is going to have the toughest transition to the real show. He's a back-to-the-basket banger, and those guys rarely make it as second-round picks. On the other hand, he locked in as a rebounder during summer league, and that is the best way he can assure himself opportunities to stick in the NBA.

14. Gordon Hayward, Jazz
Summer-league stats: 10.8 ppg, 3 rpg, 1.4 apg

Get used to lofty praise for Hayward, despite somewhat pedestrian numbers. He does all the little things that don't show up on stat sheets -- smart help on defense, toughness in digging out loose balls inside and great awareness of whom to move the ball to in their offense. He's really a 2 who can play the 3 and even some 4 within a few years. How many guys can we write that about?

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Fernando Medina/NBAE/Getty Images The 51st pick in the draft, Rolle turned some heads in Orlando.

15. Magnum Rolle, Pacers
Summer-league stats: 13.4 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 bpg

Rolle was a long, tall bundle of energy all week. He made countless plays above the rim and challenged shooters in the paint on seemingly every shot. I liked the way he got some of his dunks by running rapidly to the rim when a crease opened.

16. Patrick Patterson, Rockets
Summer-league stats: 9.2 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 1 apg

After the first game, it looked as if Patterson would use the week as his personal showcase. However, his energy just disappeared after that. He's very talented, so he can put up decent numbers without much effort … in summer league. But playing for a team hoping to contend in 2010-11, Patterson will need far more focus and effort in order to earn minutes. He was the second-most disappointing rookie of summer action relative to my expectations for him.

17. Devin Ebanks, Lakers
Summer-league stats: 15.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.4 apg

Ebanks came into the week with something to prove, and he used that edge to separate himself from many of the other second-rounders. I liked how he slashed hard to the rim, but I was more impressed with his perimeter game, which showed signs of progress and included some long-range buckets. It's fair to say he could be a poor man's Trevor Ariza.

18. Jordan Crawford, Hawks
Summer-league stats: 16.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.6 apg

Crawford is viewed as a pure scorer, and he showed that in Vegas. Alhough he didn't shoot well overall, he displayed his ability to shoot from 3 and exhibited solid court vision and feel. I also liked the fact that he looked to make plays on D. I liked him better than I expected to.

19. Quincy Pondexter, Hornets
Summer-league stats: 15.2 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.0 apg

As expected for a four-year player, Pondexter looked like a man among boys for much of the week. His shot looked smooth, and he slashed and dashed all week, even breaking down a few smaller players off the dribble. He looks to be an excellent defensive player as well.

20. Evan Turner, 76ers
Summer-league stats: 9.4 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 2.8 apg

Turner was, at best, a poor player in Orlando compared to any reasonable expectation -- not locked in, bad body language and poor skills. But don't get too alarmed. It's a testament to his talent that he still made plays on the glass and had some good offensive moments. I suspect that while almost every other player spent three to eight weeks before July working on their games and working out for teams, Turner did little on-court stuff. No doubt he'll look better in preseason and beyond.
 
2. Damion James, Nets
Summer-league stats: 18.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 1 apg


James started off just OK in Orlando and then took off from there. His great energy combined with a solid outside stroke and lots of confidence makes him a scoring machine who just keeps coming at his opponent. It's fair to expect rotation minutes for him at the start of the season.



11. Derrick Favors, Nets
Summer-league stats: 10.6 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.2 apg


In most cases, teams draft players because of what they'll be able to do in a year or two. Guys like Cousins and Wall, who can have an immediate impact, are exceptions, whereas Favors is more of the rule. He showed plenty of upside during summer league, both as an athlete and with his skills (specifically his face-up game). Did he get lost some, lose physical battles and generally zone out during games? Of course. He was the youngest guy on the court almost every time out. But the Nets have a lot to look forward to.


 I expected Favors to be a project, but James exceeded my expecations.
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Damion James can play man, I've screamed that from the beginning, 2 summers ago he spend all summer developing a stroke and that has really made him dangerous..... BUT his achilles heel is between his ears
 
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