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Dislike? This disproves it
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Still can’t get over this masterpiece.. I gotta watch every time I see it on my timeline
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It’s so annoying how the media keeps trying to portray her in a good light. Man, F*** Dat B****!
the ¨Save Melania¨ storyline is one of the most insidious to keep popping up...not only does it deny who she is as a person and take away her agency as an adult, it glosses over inherent racism in the immigration process.
a person who would willingly suck the **** of Donald John Trump in private life is probably not a good person.
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3 things I really care about n I’ll put myself on the line for is racism, bullying and disbabled ppl ...The only things I learned from high school was how to write an essay and they made me volunteer at a house with disabled ppl, my guy Kenny was my dude RIP to him he taught me a lot and I’ll never forget bout him
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Lol Rudi pleading his case for fraud...
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Probably not. Shows how terrible the magas really are that do it in public.
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Very happy for him. As long as he stays confident and happy I'm thrilled.
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that´s hilarious, I 100 percent wrote a book report about Ben Carson in 6th grade...the concept of being a neurosurgeon fascinated me at the time, to take knives and clips and perform repairs on the mind itself.
wild how you can learn to fix everyone´s brain but your own.
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She is making 50% great points mixed with 50% self-serving points
She made great points about being online and anti-racist deep canvassing. I think in the absence of a robust post-mortem analysis of the election, these are great points.
But the interview but came off really self-serving and in some ways hypocritical.
She takes issue with centrist throwing them under the bus so soon after the election, yet pretty much does the same thing through-out this interview
Like she says the Democrats need to not avoid the issue of racial resentment in America (Which is every true, and a very important point), then herself avoids the issue completely by claiming the Tea Party causing the red wave in 2010 was because Obama wasn't progressive enough or wasn't campaigning enough online. Which is pure ********, it is pure delusion, it is pure nonsense. The Obama Era political losses were because of white resentment, gerrymandering. 2014 is the best example of voter apathy, but even then it is not that simple.
The thing is that I also feel her and others that think like her strawman what centrist and liberals want from them. She switches the framing of the discussion back and forth between "I'm just talking about campaign tactics" to "I'm talking about the core policy agenda of the party". Sure there are ****** centrist that want the Dems to abandon any progressive policy, and **** them. But listening to Jim Clayburn seems like he is saying that the Dems need a national messaging strategy that all Dems could run under. And progressive can be allowed to run on a more progressive platform, and centrist can just run on the generic one.
Now, this is hard for two reasons. People are right when they say that the GOP will vilify the Dems no matter what they do. Second, the Dems is a big tent party, so people within the coalition will take objection to this strategy (which they have every right to). However, I think the point of the Dems needing to control the conversation politically is important. And that is hard to do, especially when the team is divided. Centrist benefit from activist energy in their district, Progressive benefits from voter loyal to the Dem ticket even though they don't agree with the full agenda. Thing is that one side has a much smaller margin of error.
Again, like I have mentioned numerous times, AOC has no evidence that the Democratic Party becoming a leftist party will be the cure-all she claims, like none. There are no leftist winning in the red states and House races the Dems need to win and maintain power. Bernie is not an example of that, she isn't, the rest of the Squad isn't, etc. She keeps preaching point to examples that don't back up her central claim. The fact is, if her district had a +2 to +6 R rating she would get probably get murked. The examples of Dems in red areas running ahead of the Party, but most of these examples are not progressives, but folk like John Tester, and Manchin. Sherrod Brown might be the best example of her theory actually, yet is a different politician than here. (scary thing is that all these people are getting old).
When it comes to electoral strategy, Centrist and Leftist both make good points, both make ******** points, but overall centrist might be more right all things considered. And because they are key to holding political power, the liberal leadership of the Party of course are inclined to want to protect them.
I feel their best way forward is if they could pass their policy agenda. The hundreds of bills Mitch stopped, and then run on that record. Republicans make people scared of the Dems agenda in theory, in practice, a lot of people like them. In the absence of that, I think they need to get lucky, like very lucky. And I can no idea how they can pull that off.
To be honest, I think the Democratic Party is in serious trouble. They can argue among themselves but the fact remains a lot of their issues are because they are playing a game rigged against them. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, political propaganda, Senate lean, all work against them. They don't have to just be better to win, they have to blow out the other side. This is the thing that just warps any and all arguments about political strategy.
This either become one thing or the other. They don't serve two masters. America will either become a democracy or sink further into becoming an anti-democratic conservative state. The best shot at democracy was Dems dominating in 2020. That didn't happen so no one knows what to do now. Not Biden, not AOC, not centrist, not Pelosi, not me, no one.
So for right now, I will just donate to the Georgia Senate candidates. Trust they know what they are doing in their own races. Hope for the best. And maybe in a few months, things are clearer about the best way forward.
Because again, right now, I don't think anyone knows what to do.
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If folks want, I suggest trying to record or screen cap Trumps tweets cause I believe eventually he will quit Twitter or be permanently banned .
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We're goodIf folks want, I suggest trying to record or screen cap Trumps tweets cause I believe eventually he will quit Twitter or be permanently banned
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The Trump Presidency Ended Next to a Porno Shop
Good write up! Dan McQuade, formerly of the good Deadspin (not this zombie Deadspin) is a good writer.
Good write up! Dan McQuade, formerly of the good Deadspin (not this zombie Deadspin) is a good writer.
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joe was/is more likeable than Hillary. HRC is such a polarizing political figure.
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This is what Republicans want us to forget so quickly.
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Copeland reminds me of the creatures from demon night
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