***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[gry60]

Michelle speaking truth.

"Trump just isn't good enough for this job. It is what it is."



edit: the accurate quote here:

Didn't watch it yesterday, but I tuned in to the Washington Journal for the hot takes. A Republican lady called to rant about how Trump has been unfairly treated and she still admitted she was moved by Michelle's speech. She must have forgot the Tea Party movement...

 

[mr s j king]

The Russians have already done this but all China has to do is offer a huge amount of money to one of these "anti-government groups" and they can have this country in total chaos

 

[dreamer23]

 

[biggie62]

they had one of these in Tampa this past weekend. One of my friends who’s a maga was on one there. I amount of trump flags on those boats is literally the same sort of cult like status that hitler had in Germany.

 

[plansb]

they had one of these in Tampa this past weekend. One of my friends who’s a maga was on one there. I amount of trump flags on those boats is literally the same sort of cult like status that hitler had in Germany.

Yeah I was down in cape May nj and a good amount of boats in the marinas were covered in flags. Weird stuff.

 

[Cashflow]

The Pardon We’ve All Been Waiting For!

 

[AEA18]

A pardon for the suburban housewives that will be voting for him in November

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[gry60]

 

[Sharpshoeter13]

The Pardon We’ve All Been Waiting For!

Susan B. Anthony must be stoked!

 

[wavycrocket]

THIS is gonna be something to watch! She will roast him!! He's gonna stammer and be begging for a recess! Get the popcorn out!! Go get him Katie!!

Unfortunately, none of this matters dawg. They’ll go up there and get caught up in questioning, admit their criminality and go home and it’s forgotten about in a week.

**** terrible

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

A Black Marxist Scholar Wanted to Talk About Race. It Ignited a Fury. (Published 2020)

The cancellation of a speech reflects an intense debate on the left: Is racism the primary problem in America today, or the outgrowth of a system that oppresses all poor people?

www.nytimes.com

Good article
A few of us have tried to make this point on here but many political niketalkers like these students dont get it.

 

[reformeDWS]

thanks for sharing this. I've heard so much lately about the post office "losing money" and being a "bad business" from people who don't bat an eye when we give defense contractors billions of dollars. and for what? to be the world's moral police? but if you call for a cut to defense spending, fox says you hate the military. so much of that money could actually be attributed to the VA and providing health care to, among others, veterans. but, defense contractors pull the strings of our politicians.

on a somewhat related note, i had a conversation with a friend who is typically right leaning the other day. he's fed up with trump and his divisiveness and said something along the lines of "what happened when we all could come together? after 9/11, there wasn't so much hate. everyone loved and supported america and each other".

I, as an indian american, got to give him the perspective he's probably never heard until we had that talk. was able to explain to him that while american pride was "at an all time", xenophobia was a close second. I think it was pretty eye opening for him to hear my perspective. We then were able to branch into other issues and I think I was able to swing his vote.

I say all that to say: we clown a lot of folks that come here, and probably rightfully so, but there's impact to be made around us outside of the internet too. It's easy to get frustrated and just call someone stupid and explain why their views are wrong, but sometimes you might have a better result if its approached with more tact. However, know your audience. know when to "agree to disagree". It's not a concession that their views are ok, but invest that energy in someone who has an open mind and can be reasonable. those are the people we need to pull.

lastly, michelle was dropping heat not seen since

Spoiler

 

[RustyShackleford]

A Black Marxist Scholar Wanted to Talk About Race. It Ignited a Fury. (Published 2020)

The cancellation of a speech reflects an intense debate on the left: Is racism the primary problem in America today, or the outgrowth of a system that oppresses all poor people?

www.nytimes.com

Good article
A few of us have tried to make this point on here but many political niketalkers like these students dont get it.

I get Reed's argument. I simply disagree with them. Did you not notice that DSA members took objection to what Reed said as well? This is the same alienating **** I point out numerous times about the DSA and socialist movements.

BTW. You generally acted like a buffoon in here to advocate for Bernie though. Being condescending to black NTers' criticisms of Bernie Sanders by saying we were demanding "he sound like Malcolm X"

In this thread, numerous non-black people have been anatogistic and flippant toward black posters and black people because those black posters don't buy into their theory of politics. A theory of politics that has not been proven right, just because they thought it would be better for their preferred candidate in the Democratic primary. Sorry if some black people would not fall in line the way you would like.

Sorry that black people don't fully buy into a theory of politics that start with "lets us put the grievances of white people central to our movement"

 

[RustyShackleford]

Also if someone takes that big of an issue with people pointing out that black folk are dying of Covid-19 at higher rates, because that might upset white people, then that person is acting like a buffoon IMO

So Reed is acting like a buffoon. Dude is like a parody of himself at this point.

 

[Mark Antony]

Sometimes I wonder how much further along America would be if we all started off focusing on accountability and change from the top down instead of the bottom up.

 

[wr]

4 years of a public racist in office has helped blacks and other minorities get on code in a way I never thought possible.
Could the movement be even more stronger with another 4 years of Trump?
Will a dem president put ppl back to sleep thinking everything is ok?

 

[RustyShackleford]

4 years of a public racist in office has helped blacks and other minorities get on code in a way I never thought possible.
Could the movement be even more stronger with another 4 years of Trump?
Will a dem president put ppl back to sleep thinking everything is ok?

Sounds like you are trying to rationalize black people voting for Trump

 

[Mark Antony]

I wouldn't support it, but I kinda understand that argument. Hell I was so pissed I was there. Some folks were dead asleep, and still are even with Trump dead *** saying your black *** ruined white suburbia and he will fix that. Those types need to feel more direct strife, but I wouldn't put my future in the hands of people that need that much to see.

 

[wr]

I am rationalizing the idea that having an open racist has opened peoples eyes and brought more people together than people lying and rocking to people to sleep.

Maybe the reactionary message to Trumps racism will be stronger, more specific and organized after Trump.

Trump is not to blame for the virus.

He and many are to blame for the rampant misinformation and terrible response on both sides of party lines.

Didn't we have Trump initiating a travel ban on China early in the year and people said he was racist? Now Travel bans everywhere?
Didn't WHO and Fauci lie to the public and say save the mask for medical professionals? No human to human transmission? Don't cancel your plans and your vacation while China was locking 100's of millions of people down?
All of out politicians failed us in the virus. Not Trump alone.

And politicians seeking life after death of their political careers in NGO's that dictate global policy is a problem for American Democracy.

 

[gry60]

I am rationalizing the idea that having an open racist has opened peoples eyes and brought more people together than people lying and rocking to people to sleep.

Maybe the reactionary message to Trumps racism will be stronger, more specific and organized after Trump.

Trump is not to blame for the virus.

He and many are to blame for the rampant misinformation and terrible response on both sides of party lines.

Didn't we have Trump initiating a travel ban on China early in the year and people said he was racist? Now Travel bans everywhere?
Didn't WHO and Fauci lie to the public and say save the mask for medical professionals? No human to human transmission? Don't cancel your plans and your vacation while China was locking 100's of millions of people down?
All of out politicians failed us in the virus. Not Trump alone.

And politicians seeking life after death of their political careers in NGO's that dictate global policy is a problem for American Democracy.

Do you understand that the initial overreaction to Trump closing the borders with China is a case of "the boy who called wolf one too many times?"
Do you understand that because Trump discarded much of the pandemic response infrastructure put in place by Obama (because Obama), we (and US allies) weren't able to come to our own conclusions based on what those overseas teams would've observed and had to rely on information coming out of China, with the flawed understanding that the Chinese government was releasing info in good faith?

It takes a high level of oversimplification to not assign blame to Trump. He is indirectly and directly responsible for the poor response to the virus.

 

[wr]

Do you understand that the initial overreaction to Trump closing the borders with China is a case of "the boy who called wolf one too many times?"
Do you understand that because Trump discarded much of the pandemic response infrastructure put in place by Obama (because Obama), we (and US allies) weren't able to come to our own conclusions based on what those overseas teams would've observed and had to rely on information coming out of China, with the flawed understanding that the Chinese government was releasing info in good faith?

It takes a high level of oversimplification to not assign blame to Trump. He is indirectly and directly responsible for the poor response to the virus.

China running America's pockets turned out to be true though.
Every country in the world was caught off guard because of the misdirection from the WHO.

 

[Wargames]

4 years of a public racist in office has helped blacks and other minorities get on code in a way I never thought possible.
Could the movement be even more stronger with another 4 years of Trump?
Will a dem president put ppl back to sleep thinking everything is ok?

Is this 4th dimensional chess?

 

[wr]

Is this 4th dimensional chess?

When have you ever heard police brutality and reparations discussed in the mainstream as much as it has since Trump and the Maga folks let their years of covert racism finally show?

 

[RustyShackleford]

I am rationalizing the idea that having an open racist has opened peoples eyes and brought more people together than people lying and rocking to people to sleep.

Maybe the reactionary message to Trumps racism will be stronger, more specific and organized after Trump.

Trump is not to blame for the virus.

He and many are to blame for the rampant misinformation and terrible response on both sides of party lines.

Didn't we have Trump initiating a travel ban on China early in the year and people said he was racist? Now Travel bans everywhere?
Didn't WHO and Fauci lie to the public and say save the mask for medical professionals? No human to human transmission? Don't cancel your plans and your vacation while China was locking 100's of millions of people down?
All of out politicians failed us in the virus. Not Trump alone.

And politicians seeking life after death of their political careers in NGO's that dictate global policy is a problem for American Democracy.

-No one was asleep during the Obama era. There were protest during the Obama Era, Activist were putting in work during the Obama Era, a writer rose to prominence during the Obama era with his signature essay being about Reparations, yes some black folk underestimated how bad the other side was, but most were not asleep. Trump has radicalized the entire country true, because he is such and open cruel fascist, but I generally think that a corrupt, incompetent, racist President that is undermining democracy day by day might not be the best thing for the country or black people.Four more years of Trump and a potential 7-2 Supreme Court will kill any progressive policy gains for a generation plus.

-Being organized is one thing, having mechanism for change is another, having a responsive government is another. For the perception of more organization, we should sacrifice the rest? Anyone concerned about policy changes should not be willing to make this trade.

-No one blames Trump for the creation of the virus, we blame him for the ****** response. For pushing snake oil treatments, for downplaying the virus, for not listening to medical experts, for not using his power to get PPE manufactured, for helping make wearing mask a culture war, for pushing for reopening because he felt the hurt the lockdowns was doing to the economy was a ploy to hurt his election chances, for suggesting people ingest bleach, for America's testing system to still be trash to this day. People are blaming Trump for the **** he deserves blame for.

-Spare me the both sides ********. The Dems are not the equivalent to Trump when it comes to Covid-19, or most other things. You don't like the Democratic Party, so I guess it is time to bust out the lazy both sides steez. Fmab, policy experts, fact checkers, and observable reality says the Dems are better actors than Trump.

-People called him racist for calling it the China Flu and Kung Flu. Experts wanted a general travel ban for Europe and China, Trump waited to long which allowed infected people to enter the US. Travel bans in a pandemic are not racist. But just targeting it at China and peddling racist dog whistles is racist. There is a clear difference to Trump's actions and say Trudeau.

-Fauci admitted that he said those things because he didn't want people to panic and hoard medical supplies that front line workers needed. I am not gonna defend the WHO mess ups, they deserve criticism for their shortcomings. Secondly, with a new disease, guidances will be updated as people learn more about the disease. But why is this being mentioned? To act like their screw ups are equivalent to Trump's? To act like people are somehow being unfair to Trump? Other countries listen to the WHO, other medical experts repeated Fauci's advice. Other countries had to handle Covid-19. Most dramatically out perfmored Trump on the response.

You sounding like a damn Trump apologist with these whataboutism

Trying to build a both sides argument to imply that four more years for Trump would be a net positive to black people. Sorry but even the insinuation of that is ridiculous