***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[cubanref]

Sure

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/us/migrant-deaths-and-human-trafficking-by-the-numbers/index.html

You know what's funny? When you Google "border crossings and sex trafficking" the CNN link comes up 4th... You sure you aren't just searching for links when people call you out...

 

[Kimchi Papi]

The deplorable in chief, schultz, & bloomberg are prime examples of rich white guys that are completely out of touch with the real world. And in the case of the Cheeto lookin *** & schultz, wildly out of touch with the truth & facts.

 

[Wargames]

However, while Barrack Obama told black people they should stop feeding their kids junk food for breakfast, he didn't seriously support criminalizing them if they did.

Someone needs to get in her *** for this at a debate.

Trust that Corey Booker will. Its literally his best chance to upend her momentum and add it to himself

 

[dwalk31]

You know what's funny? When you Google "border crossings and sex trafficking" the CNN link comes up 4th... You sure you aren't just searching for links when people call you out...

I'm confused. Where else do you expect me to find requested links?

Also, you do realize that google search results are not the same for every user, right?

 

[dwalk31]

The article only references a semi truck full of immigrants... that truck would have went through a normal checkpoint...
wheres the info on trafficking across the desert... the only type of trafficking a wall will stop

You asked for a link on info I have on border crossings and sex trafficking. I provided it. Is it not to your liking?

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

"The American people deserve much more than political slogans and tweets," declares Howard Schultz in a tweet full of political slogans:

No cap..it took me a good 35 to 40 seconds before I realized he wasn't spitting a Jay z verse

 

[whywesteppin]

No cap..it took me a good 35 to 40 seconds before I realized he wasn't spitting a Jay z verse

No lie, if he had this playing in the background I would vote for him:

 

[IATT]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmm ummmmm

 

[whywesteppin]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmm ummmmm

 

[cubanref]

I'm confused. Where else do you expect me to find requested links?

Also, you do realize that google search results are not the same for every user, right?

I'm saying you just copied and pasted "border crossings and sex trafficking" and posted the CNN link so you wouldn't look biased... I don't understand how you're confused...

We should have people in this thread Google "border crossings and sex trafficking" I bet that link comes up on the 1st page for everybody

 

[blastercombo]

The article only references a semi truck full of immigrants... that truck would have went through a normal checkpoint...
wheres the info on trafficking across the desert... the only type of trafficking a wall will stop

Same place big racistford grabs all his info

 

[blastercombo]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm ummmmmmm ummmmm

How does this even compute? Literally their father figures main talking point for the past 3 years now

 

[dwalk31]

I'm saying you just copied and pasted "border crossings and sex trafficking" and posted the CNN link so you wouldn't look biased... I don't understand how you're confused...

We should have people in this thread Google "border crossings and sex trafficking" I bet that link comes up on the 1st page for everybody

Someone asked for a link. I provided a link.

You have an issue with that because it came up on the first page of your google search? I don't see your issue.

 

[dwalk31]

Same place big racistford grabs all his info

CNN?

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[the natural mystic]

Jesus, get off Nixon’s **** will ya Roger. I mean seriously, I have never seen someone ******** like this guy.

 

[Belgium]

The obstruction continues. The GOP finally named members to the House Intel committee. Weeks of valuable time down the drain.

 

[gwap]

You asked for a link on info I have on border crossings and sex trafficking. I provided it. Is it not to your liking?

when i stated "border crossings" i was thinking of "border crossings relevant to the wall"
The whole point was trying to find out what info you had on sex trafficking that supports your position on the wall.....

by your logic.....you could have given me stats on sex trafficking through the canadian border

 

[dwalk31]

when i stated "border crossings" i was thinking of "border crossings relevant to the wall"
The whole point was trying to find out what info you had on sex trafficking that supports your position on the wall.....

by your logic.....you could have given me stats on sex trafficking through the canadian border

I responded based on what you said, not what you meant. One day I'll figure out mind-reading. My mistake.

 

[blastercombo]

Jesus, get off Nixon’s **** will ya Roger. I mean seriously, I have never seen someone ******** like this guy.

It’s their Hitler

 

[IATT]

 

[whywesteppin]

worth it.

 

[blastercombo]

when i stated "border crossings" i was thinking of "border crossings relevant to the wall"
The whole point was trying to find out what info you had on sex trafficking that supports your position on the wall.....

by your logic.....you could have given me stats on sex trafficking through the canadian border

*oh.... well dats different* gif

 

[blastercombo]

Lol *only in america*

 

[Nike Jordan]

I'd still whoop Rand Paul's *** if it meant paying $580k afterwards.

 

[Belgium]

I have outlined some excerpts further below to emphasize the relationship between Manafort and Deripaska, with Konstantin Kilimnik acting as a liaison for the latter.
Amongst other alleged lies, Mueller has accused Manafort of violating his plea agreement by lying about certain interactions with Kilimnik. We also know from Manafort's attorneys that Manafort shared Trump campaign polling data with Kilimnik. The NYT reported that Manafort asked to provide the data to Ukrainian oligarchs Lyovochkin and Akhmetov, both of whom denied receiving such data. It's unclear what Kilimnik ended up doing with the data but Manafort owed millions to Deripaska, whereas the Ukrainians Manafort once worked for owed him at least $2.4m.

The Trump administration, specifically the Treasury Dept, also just gave Deripaska a sweetheart deal by lifting sanctions on his companies and allowing him to wipe out several hundred millions of dollars in debt in the process. The NYT obtained a confidential document showing the deal was much more favorable to Deripaska than publicly advertised.
Deripaska and his lobbyists celebrated the deal and a number of individuals associated with the Mueller investigation saw their stakes in the companies increased. Amongst them were Viktor Vekselberg, who has been under sanctions since February 2018, and Leonard Blavatnik. The latter donated $1m to the Trump inauguration through one of his companies. Mueller's prosecutors questioned Vekselberg at a NY airport area and sought to search his electronic devices. Witnesses in the Mueller investigation have stated Mueller's prosecutors asked them about Leonard Blavatnik. Neither have been accused of wrongdoing.

House Democrats are probing the personal and professional relationship between Treasury Secretary Mnuchin and Blavatnik. Additionally, while the Treasury was assembling its list of oligarchs to sanction, Mnuchin's wife was at a London charity dinner with Prince William, Bill Richardson and Oleg Deripaska. The Treasury Dept claims Mnuchin's wife did not talk to Deripaska.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...aska-paul-manafort-trump-russia-investigation
Is Oleg Deripaska the missing link in the Trump-Russia investigation?
The Russian oligarch could face greater scrutiny after disclosure that Paul Manafort discussed Ukraine peace plan with associate

A recent disclosure that Trump’s campaign chairman and a key Russian business associate discussed a Ukraine peace plan in mid-2016 could signal more scrutiny of a powerful Russian oligarch by special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election, former prosecutors and intelligence officials told the Guardian.

The timing of the talks between Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, a veteran political consultant, and Konstantin Kilimnik, his longtime aide who allegedly had ties to Russian intelligence in 2016, occurred in New York on 2 August.

The meeting came just days after Kilimnik met in Moscow with Oleg Deripaska, a powerful oligarch and close ally of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. Deripaska had been a major client of Manafort but had sued him over a failed business deal in Ukraine and was seeking to recoup almost $25m.

The Trump administration announced late last year it intended to lift sanctions on Deripaska’s companies, despite strong opposition from Democrats and some Republicans in Congress. The treasury department had imposed the sanctions on Deripaska and several of his companies in tandem with seven Russian oligarchs, 12 companies they owned or controlled, and 17 Russian government officials, for “malign activity” which included “attempting to subvert western democracies, and malicious cyber-activities”.

The talks in New York, revealed in a recent court filing from Mueller’s office, came soon after Kilimnik emailed Manafort that he needed to brief him on his Deripaska meeting. Kilimnik, who worked for a decade with Manafort when he was a political consultant making tens of millions representing Deripaska and pro-Moscow Ukrainian political parties, emailed Manafort in late July that he had just spent hours with the man “who gave you your biggest jar of black caviar several years ago”, referring to Deripaska.

Kilimnik’s email to Manafort said that Deripaska asked him to convey “several important messages from him to you”.

Mueller’s new mid-January court filing was the first evidence that Manafort and Kilimnik had talked about Ukraine peace plans. The filing also stated they discussed such proposals on “more than one occasion”.

The ex-officials say the Mueller filing may signal a growing interest in Deripaska’s involvement with Manafort and Kilimnik.

“This raises the question as to whether Mueller has an ongoing interest in Deripaska in his investigation,” said Michael Zeldin, a former federal prosecutor who specialized in money laundering enforcement.

Some pro-Moscow peace plans for Ukraine have been “proxies” for ending the painful sanctions imposed on Russia in 2014 after it invaded eastern Ukraine and Crimea, a major Kremlin goal, Zeldin noted.

Similarly, Nick Akerman, a former assistant Watergate prosecutor, said: “It seems quite likely that Mueller would be focused on Deripaska too as he examines Manafort and Kilimnik.”

Intelligence veterans say Kremlin linkages could have been at play in the back-to-back talks in Moscow and New York.

“Deripaska is a key lieutenant and a significant oligarch in Putin’s oligarch system,” said Steven Hall, a retired CIA chief of Russia operations.

“Deripaska would get his marching orders from the Kremlin about what Russia wanted, including lifting of sanctions and a resolution of the situation in Ukraine that favored Russia,” Hall said. “It seems likely the chain of communication would have been Putin to Deripaska to Kilimnik to Manafort.”

“The Manafort connection to Deripaska is essential,” Hall added. “I think people really need to focus on the Manafort-Deripaska relationship. It’s essentially a Trump-Putin connection.”

Mueller’s revelation about the initial peace plan chat came in a heavily redacted filing documenting five alleged lies by Manafort in violation of a plea agreement to cooperate fully, after he had been convicted on multiple charges including bank and tax fraud and pleaded guilty to two conspiracy counts.

A Manafort spokesperson declined comment.

Neither Kilimnik nor Deripaska responded to emails seeking comment.

During the 2016 election season when the FBI began looking into Russian meddling Deripaska was at least briefly turned to for help.

In September 2016 during a Deripaska trip to New York, FBI agents paid a surprise visit on the oligarch in an unsuccessful effort to get him to cooperate in their inquiries into Russia’s interference in the 2016 elections, the New York Times reported.

Soon after Trump hired Manafort – originally to help secure the delegates to grab the GOP presidential nomination – the latter emailed Kilimnik to ensure that Deripaska was in the loop about Manafort’s role with the campaign.

In emails first reported by the Washington Post, Manafort proposed giving Deripaska “private briefings” on the Trump campaign, and told Kilimnik to pass the idea on to the oligarch, apparently an effort to win his favor and settle the lawsuit that Deripaska had brought against him. Manafort, Kilimnik and Deripaska have said no formal proposal was ever made and nothing came of the idea.

In his July emails to Manafort, which the Atlantic first reported, Kilimnik said he told Deripaska he had to “run it by you first”, but could come quickly “provided that he buys me a ticket”. Kilimnik called Deripaska’s ideas about his country’s future “quite interesting”.

Manafort replied that Tuesday 2 August would work, and the two men reportedly met that day at the Grand Havana Room, a cigar bar in midtown Manhattan.

Kilimnik, an elusive 48-year-old with a background of training at a military intelligence school who now lives in Moscow after years in Kiev, was charged, along with Manafort, in 2018 by Mueller with witness tampering. Another Kilimnik business partner has been charged with illegally funneling $50,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch into Trump’s inauguration fund.

Last year, the special counsel also stated in a court document that Kilimnik had ties to Russian intelligence during 2016, an allegation that Kilimnik has denied.