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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/hourly-wage-needed-rent-two-184900031.html
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$30 an hour isn't even enough to rent a one bedroom in the Bay Area.
 
Poland is very weird. On one side the educated progressives quickly move abroad because they want to be paid more and they want those same values. If I would have stayed there rather than moved to the states I probably would be abroad somewhere working after finishing college.

The educational system is top notch mostly because of historical and late soviet support for it. At the same time there is the issue of religion and how the church has a tight hold on the older and especially less educated elderly. They will vote blindly to whatever their pastors and bishops tell them too. Even if it’s against what the pope would say Catholics should do. The ironic part is in terms of religious education Poles are extremely ignorant. They know nothing and religious education is really a joke even when instituted after schools. They literally are blinded to follow what the priest says.

The worst part is the young ones who stay are forced by their parents to continue to go to church and follow it blindly.

The other issue with elections are the I would say close to a quarter of all votes are cast by expatriates like myself. And while they all live somewhere in Europe, the US, Canada, or Australia; they all seem to hate western progressive values because they see it as exploiting their country especially by not allowing the ethnicity and more so the skin color of the individuals living there to change. So while they enjoy the fruits of progressivism where they live they don’t want it to touch their homeland or “motherland” as they like to call it.

The sad part I don’t see it changing anytime soon because the younger generation is turned off. The progressives do protest against what’s happening but they are really shut down especially not with the far right taking over the media.
 
boris said:
$30 an hour isn't even enough to rent a one bedroom in the Bay Area.
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Lol like I was saying

1. These are averages
2. Their cost to actually “live” is below bare minimum. You’re living like a broke college student at best.


These numbers fluctuate depending on whoever conducted the research’s narrative
 
Wonder what kind of shredder he had. The FBI has had the ability to reconstruct shredded documents for decades, now they can do so far more efficiently thanks to technological advances in software.
I could see him keeping one of those old vertical-only shredders :lol: Not uncommon to have a shredder so it could just be benign.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...shredded-documents-obtained-during-cohen-raid
FBI is reconstructing shredded documents obtained during Cohen raid
The FBI is piecing together shredded documents found in its raid of Michael Cohen's home and office while investigating President Trump's personal attorney for suspected financial crimes.
Prosecutors told a federal district judge on Wednesday that agents are working to reconstitute the contents of a shredder machine seized by the bureau during the raid.
CNN reported that there is not a large amount of shredded material.
The federal government has so far turned over 3.7 million seized documents for Cohen's attorneys to assess whether anything is privileged information. The FBI continues to pore over the shredded documents and an additional 19 storage devices including hard drives and thumb drives, as well as several Blackberry phones.



Cohen's team is reportedly working around the clock, under supervision by a special master appointed by the court, to review what the FBI has released.

Judge Kimba Wood on Wednesday gave Cohen's team until June 15 to finish going through the nearly 4 million documents.

Todd Harrison, an attorney for Cohen, has said the team needs more time to complete the task. So far, they have tagged 252 items as containing privileged information, and turned over about a million items to the prosecution, Bloomberg News reported.

Former FBI special agent and CNN analyst Asha Rangappa said Wendesday that the existence of shredded documents in Cohen's office showed a "reason to believe that evidence was being destroyed" ahead of the FBI raid in April.

"This is not going to end well for the defense," she said on Twitter.

Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti said the news that the FBI is piecing together shredded information is "bad news for [Cohen].

"[The FBI] are very good at reassembling shredded documents. It's something they do well. They are looking at a huge volume of evidence," Matt Miller, who is a MSNBC justice and security analyst, told "Andrea Mitchell Reports."
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aepps20 said:
Fellas, with a heavy heart Coal Gang's executive team ( whywesteppin whywesteppin , @flyeed , Belgium Belgium , EddieDoyers EddieDoyers and @bloc02) had an emergency meeting and we believe it is in our best interests to hit Rusty and Tomi with a permanent ban from all Coal Gang related activities. We just can't stand for their Lib conjecture and innuendo any longer.
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This is the RIGHT decision and LONG overdue. I knew something was wrong when I saw Rusty sneaking some kale onto his burger at the Coal Gang Memorial Day Cookout. :{
 
Expecting a ****show if they do a public hearing
https://www.thedailybeast.com/senat...-wants-to-grill-roger-stone/?via=twitter_page
Senate Intelligence Committee Now Wants to Grill Roger Stone
Stone told The Daily Beast he hopes the interview with the committee will be public, and said he has “already begun to think about what to wear.”
The Senate intelligence committee has asked to interview Roger Stone, Donald Trump’s longtime political adviser and self-described dirty trickster.

Stone’s lawyer, Grant Smith, told The Daily Beast that the committee last week sent them an email with a list of search terms for communications to use to determine which electronic communications to turn over to the Senate Intelligence Committee. At the same time, according to Smith, the committee said its members would like to question Stone after receiving the documents. Smith said the process has been amicable and that the interview date has not yet been set.

Stone told The Daily Beast he hopes the interview with the committee will be public, and said he has “already begun to think about what to wear.”

Last week, the Wall Street Journal reported that Stone, in emails written to an associate of WikiLeaks founder-slash-embassy crasher Julian Assange, had solicited “damaging” information about Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in the late stages of the 2016 presidential campaign. That appears to be inconsistent with his September testimony before the House intelligence committee, when he said he “merely wanted confirmation” of Assange having dirt on Trump’s political opponent.

Stone has become a central focus for investigators looking into potential coordination between President Donald Trump’s campaign and the Kremlin. On May 20 on NBC’s Meet the Press, he said he is ready for Special Counsel Bob Mueller to indict him.

“I am prepared, should that be the case,” he said. “But I think it just demonstrates, again, this was supposed to be about Russian collusion, and it appears to be an effort to silence or punish the president’s supporters and his advocates.” Stone raised eyebrows when he appeared to predict the release of emails hacked from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta. Stone also reportedly told the House intelligence committee that radio host Randy Credico was his backchannel to Assange. Credico told The Daily Beast that wasn’t true.


Stone told CNN that the Senate committee asked him to preserve any documents that could be related to its probe. And former Trump aide Sam Nunberg told CNN in May that the committee asked him to turn over communications with Stone about Wikileaks and other topics.
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https://thinkprogress.org/dont-vote-early-campaign-suppress-black-voters-f77d0437aaa6/

@Maximus Meridius

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This week, details of that effort began to take shape. According to a Bloomberg report on Tuesday, Bannon, the conservative news site Breitbart, the Trump campaign, and other Trump supporters worked together to convince African Americans that it was not in their advantage to vote early — or at all.

“If you can’t stomach Trump, just don’t vote for the other people and don’t vote at all,” former Black Men for Bernie founder and activist Bruce Carter, who launched Trump for Urban Communities in the summer of 2016, remembers telling black voters.

The Bloomberg report also included an important detail about Carter’s effort to suppress black voters:

In the final weeks of October, Carter’s operation announced a ‘Don’t Vote Early’ campaign designed to convince black voters not to take advantage of early voting, which tended to build up banks of votes for Democrats.

Bloomberg explains that Carter set out to convince black voters in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Florida — three states critical for a Trump victory — that despite Trump’s white nationalist backers, they should support the GOP candidate. The campaign involved promising $1 billion in investments to restore urban communities and framing Hillary Clinton as an enemy to minority voters. And most importantly, it featured a direct appeal to keep people from the polls."


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As the election approached, Carter’s strategy appeared to be working. Early voting turnout among black voters dropped significantly from 2012 in swing states. While that slump could be attributed to a number of factors, Breitbart reporter Dustin Stockton — the reporter who recruited Carter to aid the Trump campaign — claimed that Trump “vastly outperformed the projection models in the 12 areas Bruce [Carter] was targeting.”
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I should note that McCabe was reportedly accused of lack of candor in the Inspector General's investigation and that FBI disciplinary officials made a recommendation for the firing, though the IG's report hasn't been released publicly yet. The alleged conversation does fit in with Trump's character and the remarks he made to Lester Holt after Comey's firing.

The article also reports that after the meeting Rosenstein handed McCabe a copy of a draft firing letter written by Trump according to two sources. McCabe has given that draft letter and his memos to Mueller.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/30/us/politics/rosenstein-trump-comey-firing-mccabe-memo.html
F.B.I. Official Wrote Secret Memo Fearing Trump Got a Cover Story for Comey Firing
The former acting F.B.I. director, Andrew G. McCabe, wrote a confidential memo last spring recounting a conversation that offered significant behind-the-scenes details on the firing of Mr. McCabe’s predecessor, James B. Comey, according to several people familiar with the discussion.
The former acting F.B.I. director, Andrew G. McCabe, wrote a confidential memo last spring recounting a conversation that offered significant behind-the-scenes details on the firing of Mr. McCabe’s predecessor, James B. Comey, according to several people familiar with the discussion.

Mr. Comey’s firing is a central focus of the special counsel’s investigation into whether President Trump tried to obstruct the investigation into his campaign’s ties to Russia. Mr. McCabe has turned over his memo to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

In the document, whose contents have not been previously reported, Mr. McCabe described a conversation at the Justice Department with the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, in the chaotic days last May after Mr. Comey’s abrupt firing. Mr. Rosenstein played a key role in the dismissal, writing a memo that rebuked Mr. Comey over his handling of an investigation into Hillary Clinton.

But in the meeting at the Justice Department, Mr. Rosenstein added a new detail: He said the president had originally asked him to reference Russia in his memo, the people familiar with the conversation said. Mr. Rosenstein did not elaborate on what Mr. Trump had wanted him to say.

To Mr. McCabe, that seemed like possible evidence that Mr. Comey’s firing was actually related to the F.B.I.’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia, and that Mr. Rosenstein helped provide a cover story by writing about the Clinton investigation.

One person who was briefed on Mr. Rosenstein’s conversation with the president said Mr. Trump had simply wanted Mr. Rosenstein to mention that he was not personally under investigation in the Russia inquiry. Mr. Rosenstein said it was unnecessary and did not include such a reference. Mr. Trump ultimately said it himself when announcing the firing.

Mr. McCabe’s memo, one of several that he wrote, highlights the conflicting roles that Mr. Rosenstein plays in the case. He supervises the special counsel investigation and has told colleagues that protecting it is among his highest priorities. But many current and former law enforcement officials are suspicious of some of his other actions, including allowing some of Mr. Trump’s congressional allies to view crucial documents from the investigation.

In conversations with prosecutors, Mr. Trump’s lawyers have cited Mr. Rosenstein’s involvement in the firing of Mr. Comey as proof that it was not an effort to obstruct justice, according to people familiar with the president’s legal strategy.

That argument has only made Mr. Rosenstein’s position even more peculiar: He oversees an investigation into the president, who points to Mr. Rosenstein’s own actions as evidence that he is innocent. And Mr. Rosenstein could have the final say on whether that argument has merit.

The people who discussed the meeting and the memo did so on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the matters. A spokeswoman for Mr. McCabe declined to comment. Mr. McCabe was fired in March after a finding that he was not candid in an internal investigation. Mr. McCabe has said the firing was a politically motivated effort to discredit him as a witness in the special counsel investigation.

A Justice Department spokeswoman also declined to comment. Mr. Rosenstein has consulted departmental ethics advisers about whether to recuse himself from the Russia investigation and has not done so.

“I’ve talked with Director Mueller about this,” Mr. Rosenstein told The Associated Press last year. “He’s going to make the appropriate decisions, and if anything that I did winds up being relevant to his investigation then, as Director Mueller and I discussed, if there’s a need from me to recuse, I will.”

Removing Mr. Rosenstein from the investigation, though, would only add uncertainty to the process. He is regarded, even among his critics, as a bulwark against an effort by Mr. Trump to fire Mr. Mueller and shut down the investigation. Mr. Trump has openly mused about doing so, and has considered firing Mr. Rosenstein, too.

Mr. McCabe’s memo reflects the F.B.I.’s early efforts to discern Mr. Trump’s intentions in firing Mr. Comey, an effort that continues today. Mr. Trump and his advisers have issued conflicting and changing explanations for the termination.

At first, they pointed to Mr. Rosenstein’s reasoning, which criticized Mr. Comey’s handling of the Clinton investigation. He was unusually public about the inquiry in ways that Democrats say contributed to Mrs. Clinton’s defeat.

But Mr. Trump quickly undercut that statement, telling NBC News that he had planned to fire Mr. Comey even before receiving Mr. Rosenstein’s memo. “And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story,’” Mr. Trump said. “It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.”

Mr. Trump also told Russian diplomats in the Oval Office that firing Mr. Comey had relieved “great pressure” that he had faced because of Russia.

Mr. Rosenstein’s comments to Mr. McCabe were made against a backdrop of those shifting explanations. After their meeting, Mr. Rosenstein gave Mr. McCabe a copy of a draft firing letter that Mr. Trump had written, according to two people familiar with the conversation. Mr. McCabe later gave that letter, and his memos, to Mr. Mueller.

Mr. McCabe’s memo reflects the anxiety of the early months of the Trump administration and presaged a relationship with law enforcement that has only grown more strained. Just as Mr. Comey kept memos on interactions with Mr. Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions, Mr. McCabe documented his own conversations with the president and others.

Mr. Trump has injected himself into Justice Department operations in ways that have little precedent. While most presidents who have faced federal investigations have assiduously avoided discussing them for fear of being seen as trying to influence them, Mr. Trump has shown no hesitation. He has called the investigation a “witch hunt,” declared that a “deep state” was trying to undermine his presidency, and encouraged the Justice Department to provide sensitive details about the special counsel inquiry to Congress.

Most recently, Mr. Trump has publicly demanded that the Justice Department investigate the Russia investigation itself.

In response, Mr. Rosenstein has walked a perilous line. Faced with threats on his job, he told Republicans in Congress that he would not be “extorted.” But he has also relented to pressure in some instances, providing information to Congress that would not normally be shared amid an investigation.

And in response to the president’s calls for an investigation into whether the F.B.I. used informants to infiltrate his campaign — a charge for which there is no public evidence — Mr. Rosenstein referred the matter to the inspector general and issued a public statement that some current and former officials said was too tepid.

“If anyone did infiltrate or surveil participants in a presidential campaign for inappropriate purposes, we need to know about it and take appropriate action,” Mr. Rosenstein said.

Mr. Rosenstein has said little about his strategy for dealing with the political crosswinds. But he has defended his memo about Mr. Comey. “I wrote it. I believe it. I stand by it,” he said in a statement last year. He added that it was never intended to “justify a for-cause termination.”

Recently, Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s lawyer, added a new explanation for Mr. Comey’s firing. He said Mr. Trump was upset that Mr. Comey would not publicly clear him in the Russia investigation.

“He fired Comey because Comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn’t a target of the investigation,” Mr. Giuliani said.
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Edit: There was also this report from May 18th this year.
https://www.nbcnews.com/card/senato...-knew-comey-would-be-fired-prior-memo-n761791
Rosenstein knew before he wrote controversial memo that Comey would be fired
Two senators confirmed that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein knew that FBI director James Comey would be fired when he penned a memo that the White House initially used to justify Comey's dismissal.
But the president later contradicted his own administration's narrative, telling NBC News he'd been wanting to fire Comey since the election, and that the Russia investigation was a factor.
Rosenstein "acknowledged that he learned Comey would be removed prior to him writing his memo," Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill said after a closed-door briefing with Rosenstein.
 
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To follow up on my last post about the pro-Trump black "activist" who discouraged black voters:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...mp-effort-to-keep-black-voters-from-the-polls

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Carter’s work on Trump’s behalf ended badly, despite the campaign’s victory in November 2016. A little more than a week after the election, Carter’s financial supporters backed away from plans to work with him on ambitious urban-restoration efforts. In an email, one of them cited a background check on Carter but didn’t specify its findings. Carter acknowledges that he spent 18 months in federal prison nearly two decades ago after a felony gun-possession conviction.

While it’s impossible to precisely measure Carter’s effectiveness, Trump performed particularly well in the areas Carter targeted...
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All the info was out there. All of it. How Trump and his people stiffed many, many folks, even during the campaign. I don't even feel bad for this dude.
 
it's rather incredible that so much effort is spent trying to convince African-Americans not to vote so that the party directly opposed to their interests can get elected... and yet some still think both parties are the same and their vote doesn't matter.

Like if some guy spent all year trying to break into your attic that you've never been into, you might start to think there's something valuable up there.
 
milestailsprowe said:


Not really big news but I think this is something alot of NT can vibe with.
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When I see William Barber, I think, we will yet get that elusive multi racial workers' coalition formed.


RustyShackleford said:
Drake outchea getting cooked, so Maximus living his best life right now, he doesn't have time to give a damn about any of this.
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Pusha T used chemical weapons. The international community must intervene.
 
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