***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[osh kosh bosh]

Point 2 is basically the same problem we have in Portland. Not that protecting nature isn't important, we just have an urban growth boundary that restricts/prohibits building outside of a certain zone, in the city and surrounding suburbs. Really helps NIMBYs here inflate home values.

Point 1 seems obvious. Point 3 is crazy - I obvs haven't done any research into the general housing laws of the UK but that law is as good a jumping off point as any to start researching.

i think there is a cultural aspect. american being a new world nation people want to preserve the land usually for more practical environmental reason.

its seems like in the UK, there's more of a sense that it represents the kind of ancestral land of the british people.
so there is way more entrenched support in going OD in protecting it.

 

[rexanglorum]

hyper focus on elite, niche left topics is itself even more niche and elite and out of touch stance.

Dude’s a Hollywood nepo baby whose kids’ go to a private school in LA.

Him and Bill Maher and all the other whinny centrists and crypto conservatives, should just say “**** them Indians, **** them ********, **** women with nose rings.” Instead of ventriloquizing an imagined swing voter from the heartland.

If you’re so alienated by affluent Los Angeles culture, you can move to almost any place in the US and rarely if ever see all these cultural affectations that trigger you so much.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

hyper focus on elite, niche left topics is itself even more niche and elite and out of touch stance.

Dude’s a Hollywood nepo baby whose kids’ go to a private school in LA.

Him and Bill Maher and all the other whinny centrists and crypto conservatives, should just say “**** them Indians, **** them ********, **** women with nose rings.” Instead of ventriloquizing an imagined swing voter from the heartland.

If you’re so alienated by affluent Los Angeles culture, you can move to almost any place in the US and rarely if ever see all these cultural affectations that trigger you so much.

unfortunately

the Hollywood nepo baby opinion seems to be much closer to the median American.
and even closer to the median minority american, than yours

 

[rexanglorum]

More women go to college and we live in a knowledge economy.

Is it a great system where access to economic opportunities is increasingly paywalled? Hell no, but it’s the system that elites have spent 50 years constructing.

It’s outrageous that for decades and even centuries, when the biggest beneficiaries of college education were white men.

Then things change and women have played by the rules, got degrees, did the internships, lived in expensive cities on relatively low salaries, are starting to reap the financial rewards as they head into middle age and then…

Oops, sorry ladies, the boys who refused to learn anything and couldn’t get out of your home town wants your high paying job in the city and you should be his wife and stay at home mom. It’s the only way Democrats can win!

Utter horse****.


The working class and non college Americans deserve much more but it must not come at the expense of a rock solid Democratic constituency that followed the rules that were imposed on them from above.

 

[biggie62]

More women go to college and we live in a knowledge economy.

Is it a great system where access to economic opportunities is increasingly paywalled? Hell no, but it’s the system that elites have spent 50 years constructing.

It’s outrageous that for decades and even centuries, when the biggest beneficiaries of college education were white men.

Then things change and women have played by the rules, got degrees, did the internships, lived in expensive cities on relatively low salaries, are starting to reap the financial rewards as they head into middle age and then…

Oops, sorry ladies, the boys who refused to learn anything and couldn’t get out of your home town wants your high paying job in the city and you should be his wife and stay at home mom. It’s the only way Democrats can win!

Utter horse****.


The working class and non college Americans deserve much more but it must not come at the expense of a rock solid Democratic constituency that followed the rules that were imposed on them from above.

I mean I feel bad but don’t feel bad. As an off the boat immigrant my mom helped me get through a graduate degree and became a multi millionaire herself as a single parent and had to earn every dollar here in normal jobs since her degree in the US was worthless.

So I see one of us pulled ourselves by the boot straps but somebody is complaining because they didn’t want to learn some advanced subjects because they were too hard.

 

[rexanglorum]

unfortunately

the Hollywood nepo baby opinion seems to be much closer to the median American.
and even closer to the median minority american, than yours

How many people’s PTA have land acknowledgements?

How many swing voters were thinking about that when they voted.


It’s funny to see people smuggling in their minor discomforts at being in elite institutions and neighborhoods, along with real bread and butter issues that actually affect a lot of people.

It’s like being a campus Republican at an elite school.

Sure, campus leftism and liberalism can be weird af but the people, whose main issue is opposition it are even weirder and more niche. They are a small minority within an already small minority.


“The American people are tired of high gas prices, expensive groceries, and having a Western Civ professor who refused to cross out “Istanbul” and write in “Constantinople” on the World Map behind him despite the fact that me, Thad, and Braden signed a petition.

You know, real down home issues for real Americans.”

 

[osh kosh bosh]

More women go to college and we live in a knowledge economy.

Is it a great system where access to economic opportunities is increasingly paywalled? Hell no, but it’s the system that elites have spent 50 years constructing.

It’s outrageous that for decades and even centuries, when the biggest beneficiaries of college education were white men.

Then things change and women have played by the rules, got degrees, did the internships, lived in expensive cities on relatively low salaries, are starting to reap the financial rewards as they head into middle age and then…

Oops, sorry ladies, the boys who refused to learn anything and couldn’t get out of your home town wants your high paying job in the city and you should be his wife and stay at home mom. It’s the only way Democrats can win!

Utter horse****.


The working class and non college Americans deserve much more but it must not come at the expense of a rock solid Democratic constituency that followed the rules that were imposed on them from above.

Unless you wanna bring back poll testing, the non college educated people get to vote. So you gotta win their votes.

How many people’s PTA have land acknowledgements?

How many swing voters were thinking about that when they voted.


It’s funny to see people smuggling in their minor discomforts at being in elite institutions and neighborhoods, along with real bread and butter issues that actually affect a lot of people.

It’s like being a campus Republican at an elite school.

Sure, campus leftism and liberalism can be weird af but the people, whose main issue is opposition it are even weirder and more niche. They are a small minority within an already small minority.


“The American people are tired of high gas prices, expensive groceries, and having a Western Civ professor who refused to cross out “Istanbul” and write in “Constantinople” on the World Map behind him despite the fact that me, Thad, and Braden signed a petition.

You know, real down home issues for real Americans.”

Swing voters are not aware of the details of anything.

None of these things are a big deal by themselves

But they all contribute to the sense that democrats are more focused on catering to fringe minority groups

than the nuts a bolts of running a government; keeping prices low, crime low, unemployment low.

Nobody cares about land acknowledgements, trans people, dei, ect ect in the specific.

It's all about this narrative that it's more important to Dems than governmen running economy.


California is a NIMBY hellscape that can't build public transit,

but IT CAN pass laws about trans people, laws about abortion, it CAN virtue signal about the latest progressive cultural niche.


You don't see how all of this sends a toxic message?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It's really bad that red states are booming in population growth,

While Blue cities continue to be strangled by NIMBYism.

Dem governments will virtue signal about immigrants but refuse to build housing for them.


It's all a toxic mix that makes the democratic party look goofy, hyportical and unserious.

 

[rexanglorum]

I mean I feel bad but don’t feel bad. As an off the boat immigrant my mom helped me get through a graduate degree and became a multi millionaire herself as a single parent and had to earn every dollar here in normal jobs since her degree in the US was worthless.

So I see one of us pulled ourselves by the boot straps but somebody is complaining because they didn’t want to learn some advanced subjects because they were too hard.

I mean everyone deserves a good standard of living. My issue is that no one took issue when men were getting MBAs and great jobs in the 80’s and 90’s.

It’s only a crisis when girls get educated and get good jobs. Now we have to have affirmation action for white boys refused to do their math homework because “when are we going to use this in the real world.?”

Unless you wanna bring back poll testing, the non college educated people get to vote. So you gotta win their votes.

Swing voters are not aware of the details of anything.

None of these things are a big deal by themselves

But they all contribute to the sense that democrats are more focused on catering to fringe minority groups

than the nuts a bolts of running a government; keeping prices low, crime low, unemployment low.

Nobody cares about land acknowledgements, trans people, dei, ect ect in the specific.

It's all about this narrative that it's more important to Dems than governmen running economy.


California is a NIMBY hellscape that can't build public transit,

but IT CAN pass laws about trans people, laws about abortion, it CAN virtue signal about the latest progressive cultural niche.


You don't see how all of this sends a toxic message?

Deal with those issues and you beat the MAGA coalition. Trans people didn’t block those things.

Incumbent homeowners and the car lobby prevent those things.

Sacrificing trans people won’t fix people’s material confitions and that’s what motivated most swing voters. And the people whose primary issue is trans people or land acknowledgments, can’t be swayed either way by material conditions, by definition.

Transphobes are a minority, people concerned about their material conditions are a majority, appeal to the latter.

 

[biggie62]

I mean everyone deserves a good standard of living. My issue is that no one took issue when men were getting MBAs and great jobs in the 80’s and 90’s.

It’s only a crisis when girls get educated and get good jobs. Now we have to have affirmation action for white boys refused to do their math homework because “when are we going to use this in the real world.?”




Deal with those issues and you beat the MAGA coalition. Trans people didn’t block those things.

Incumbent homeowners and the car lobby prevent those things.

Sacrificing trans people won’t fix people’s material confitions and that’s what motivated most swing voters. And the people whose primary issue is trans people or land acknowledgments, can’t be swayed either way by material conditions, by definition.

Transphobes are a minority, people concerned about their material conditions are a majority, appeal to the later.

That’s my issue. People don’t pull themselves up and then just expect a certain level. The mentality of some of these people has turned Slavic where people rather than literally be happy for others and try to improved their own situation. They are instead jealous and want you to fail and be just as miserable as them. With that kind of mentality there is no help. It why my mom chose to leave Poland.

 

[cedric ceballos]

Unless you wanna bring back poll testing, the non college educated people get to vote. So you gotta win their votes.

Swing voters are not aware of the details of anything.

None of these things are a big deal by themselves

But they all contribute to the sense that democrats are more focused on catering to fringe minority groups

than the nuts a bolts of running a government; keeping prices low, crime low, unemployment low.

Nobody cares about land acknowledgements, trans people, dei, ect ect in the specific.

It's all about this narrative that it's more important to Dems than governmen running economy.


California is a NIMBY hellscape that can't build public transit,

but IT CAN pass laws about trans people, laws about abortion, it CAN virtue signal about the latest progressive cultural niche.


You don't see how all of this sends a toxic message?

You nailed it with the non college educated people get to vote. So you gotta win their votes part.

There’s plenty of conservative politicians who went to Ivy League colleges and are smart and knowledgeable in the political sphere. But they’ll dumb their message down and simplify things and play things to their audience. Maybe they move and carry themselves differently when at events which are mostly filled with people with a similar educational background. But when they’re at these rallies in these rural midwestern cities. They’re dumbing their approach down.

On the flip side. There’s people I’ve encountered who are real smart but no one will take them seriously or listen to them because they come off as smug and condescending to where the messenger dilutes the message.

A lot of these swing voters wouldn’t trust an unqualified mechanic to fix their car, or an unqualified doctor to perform an operation on them. But they’ll vote for an unqualified candidate because they think he’s funny and the message (economy, inflation, you aren’t getting **** while Ukraine is getting money) resonates. And people tend to like a reassuring lie over an inconvenient truth.

It low key feels at times like the Dems want to win, but only if it’s their way and on their terms. Sometimes you gotta adapt and adjust.

 

[rexanglorum]

That’s my issue. People don’t pull themselves up and then just expect a certain level. The mentality of some of these people has turned Slavic where people rather than literally be happy for others and try to improved their own situation. They are instead jealous and want you to fail and be just as miserable as them. With that kind of mentality there is no help. It why my mom chose to leave Poland.

I agree there.

A lot of this return to tradition crap is basically men (disproportionately though by no means exclusively white men) pining for the olden days when macho men were in charge (and they all think they’d be King or at least a Knight). Or they look to mid century America and assume they’d be at least as well off as Don Draper.

Again, everyone deserves a good, baseline standard of living but these types of guys do test my commitment to that position. Lol

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I mean everyone deserves a good standard of living. My issue is that no one took issue when men were getting MBAs and great jobs in the 80’s and 90’s.

It’s only a crisis when girls get educated and get good jobs. Now we have to have affirmation action for white boys refused to do their math homework because “when are we going to use this in the real world.?”




Deal with those issues and you beat the MAGA coalition. Trans people didn’t block those things.

Incumbent homeowners and the car lobby prevent those things.

Sacrificing trans people won’t fix people’s material confitions and that’s what motivated most swing voters. And the people whose primary issue is trans people or land acknowledgments, can’t be swayed either way by material conditions, by definition.

Transphobes are a minority, people concerned about their material conditions are a majority, appeal to the latter.

This is all part of the problem. Progressives practice like reverse cognitive behavioural therapy. Where we must escalate the threat of EVERYTHING.

Stop catastrophizing. No one is talking about "sacrificing" anyone

Not every who thinks women's sports should be segregated by sex is a "transphobe" we have to stop this. You are turning the democratic party into the Mitt Romney coalition, but with church going black people in stead of white evangelicals.
It has to stop.

Transphobes are a minority, people concerned about their material conditions are a majority, appeal to the latter.

You're missing the point. THIS IS ABOUT MATERIAL CONDITIONS. People are mad about the material conditions and they see it being CONNECTED to Dems fixation niche cultural issues.

It's easier to lecture people about calling homeless people "unhoused" but refuse to bud housing for homeless people.

Incumbent homeowners and the car lobby prevent those things.

Incumbent homeowners policy preferences are being carried out by often times progressive city councilors.

Guys like Dean Preston in San Francisco. Finally he's gone. But do you really blame say the Asian voter who swung to Trump for looking at him like he's an unserious good?

 

[biggie62]

I agree there.

A lot of this return to tradition crap is basically men (disproportionately though by no means exclusively white men) pining for the olden days when macho men were in charge (and they all think they’d be King or at least a Knight). Or they look to mid century America and assume they’d be at least as well off as Don Draper.

Again, everyone deserves a good, baseline standard of living but these types of guys do test my commitment to that position. Lol

That macho manly men def mad that the geeks are the ones in power now since the income has come to us. But I mean .

 

[tay1]

The Pubs won the House? This country is gonna be so deep down into in the next 4 years.

 

[wavycrocket]

I agree there.

A lot of this return to tradition crap is basically men (disproportionately though by no means exclusively white men) pining for the olden days when macho men were in charge (and they all think they’d be King or at least a Knight). Or they look to mid century America and assume they’d be at least as well off as Don Draper.

Again, everyone deserves a good, baseline standard of living but these types of guys do test my commitment to that position. Lol

 

[gry60]

The Pubs won the House? This country is gonna be so deep down into in the next 4 years.

Watch them blame Democrats.

 

[atlsfinest]

As frustrating as this is, I need to remember that as a black man this isn't my fight.

 

[biggie62]

They got your name and location now homie. It’s like fishing with dynamite.

 

[IATT]

posted

 

[gry60]

 

[pmatic]

 

[elpablo21]

 

[gry60]

We're so ******.

I think this is our Berlin Wall, or we're close to an event of similar magnitude.

I don't know how you keep the CoC and his staff from daily military briefs and war plans without causing a crisis.

We. Are. So. ******.

 

[dmbrhs]

"Just a prank, bro!"