***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Dark Brandon]

remember everyone cancel culture doesn't exits.
and democrats have no problems with elite in group speech codes.

all is well.

Representative tries to cancel trans athletes. University counters by cancelling representative. You complain about the university’s actions.

Is that about right?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

cancel trans athletes.

Lol what does this mean?

Explain how expressing the opinion that female sports should be segregated by sex and the democratic party needs to be able to debate it,

is "canceling"

 

[Lee And His Sneaks]

So repatriations for white folks?

 

[Dark Brandon]

Lol what does this mean?

Explain how expressing the opinion that female sports should be segregated by sex and the democratic party needs to be able to debate it,

is "canceling"

You know what it means

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You know what it means

I literally don't, it doesn't make any sense.

Saying we need to be able to talk about xyz subject is not canceling it's literally the opposite.

It sounds like you're trying to get off a "I know you are but what am I" argument.

 

[Dark Brandon]

I literally don't, it doesn't make any sense.

Saying we need to be able to talk about xyz subject is not canceling it's literally the opposite.

It sounds like you're trying to get off a "I know you are but what am I" argument.

Trans women are women. Trans men are men. There is no discussion to be had.

He’s purposely targeting a demographic that 1% of the population identifies as, and less than 1% are athletes. And he’s only talking about half of that less than 1%, he’s being as disingenuous as you.

 

[elpablo21]

So repatriations for white folks?

This is the tangibles we been waiting on family

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Trans women are women. Trans men are men. There is no discussion to be had.

lol you're just proving his point.

unfortunately i hate to break it to you. very few people actually believe this.

so you will need to have a discussion to persuade them,
or just keep losing public support for trans inclusion.


the choice is yours.

 

[MakeNTGreatAgain]

I have a theory
I have a feeling that its possible just how trump is backed by russia, that his "opposition" took a deal to let him win
i really thought this would be a cake walk for dems but for them to lose was infathomable

 

[Dark Brandon]

lol you're just proving his point.

unfortunately i hate to break it to you. very few people actually believe this.

so you will need to have a discussion to persuade them,
or just keep losing public support for trans inclusion.


the choice is yours.

Very few people, you say?

 

[Dark Brandon]

I have a theory
I have a feeling that its possible just how trump is backed by russia, that his "opposition" took a deal to let him win
i really thought this would be a cake walk for dems but for them to lose was infathomable

 

[osh kosh bosh]

this is what always happen,

you take a narrow question; are trans women women for the purposes of sports? The public says no.

and you move it to something way broader than what was said.
" do people want to to eject trans people from society". The public ALSO says no.


EVEN TRANS ACTIVISTS GROUPS ACKNOWLEDGE, the issue is a loser, and no argument they have tested works;

so again, you have TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, and persuade people. or move inline with the public.



this "trans women are women, no discussion" will not work.

 

[Public Enemy]

 

[Public Enemy]

So repatriations for white folks?

Un****ingbelievable. Yall pray for me, cause online I can just close the tab. In real life I get a tad bit confrontational



For real though, I gotta start learning to tell myself to walk away. Gonna wind up a damn hermit these next few years cause I'm bound to pull a when keeping it real goes wrong, even though I know better. Maybe it's time to invest in some sunglasses and headphones.

 

[dacomeup]

The trans athlete debate isn’t a winning issue. Agree that it’s probably more politically beneficial for Dems to assure that they’ll fight for trans rights, while not getting dragged into the trans women in sports point specifically. It’s not a winning one, regardless of how small the population is. Trans people know that the right is regressive on all trans rights, not just the sports issue. It’s probably better for trans people and for the left not to get dragged into this specific debate.

 

[Public Enemy]

Translation, lemme get these trump friendly takes off and make some money

 

[WASHED KING]

I don't even know if I want to go back to undwind the pages of arguments going on with this.

Trans women are women. Trans men are men. There is no discussion to be had.

He’s purposely targeting a demographic that 1% of the population identifies as, and less than 1% are athletes. And he’s only talking about half of that less than 1%, he’s being as disingenuous as you.

I come in peace.

Would it be controversial if people start using the terminology biological woman or biological man to differentiate?

 

[Blake P]

I have a theory
I have a feeling that its possible just how trump is backed by russia, that his "opposition" took a deal to let him win
i really thought this would be a cake walk for dems but for them to lose was infathomable

IMHO, it's not that deep. Voters all around the world have been voting for change in their respective countries because of the current pressures (inflation, war, health, etc) that have made life difficult for many people. Everyone has their own set of priorities and many citizens are so un/misinformed or apathetic that they don't know/care what policies each party or candidate is even running on. They just know they want something different than what the last several years have brought them. Voters who believed strongly in liberal policies voted for Harris, staunch conservatives voted Trump, and most of the rest voted Trump because he represented a change back to what their short sighted brains remember as better times. We can debate all day about what dems should have done different, but it probably doesn't matter one bit.

 

[rexanglorum]

Can we stop with always saying that Trump is a “convicted felon,” it clearly didn’t help electorally. But it does affirm the rightwing position that anyone convicted of a felony is a non person. A legal designation that is rarely ever wielded against some like Donald Trump.

 

[Dark Brandon]

this is what always happen,

you take a narrow question; are trans women women for the purposes of sports? The public says no.

and you move it to something way broader than what was said.
" do people want to to eject trans people from society". The public ALSO says no.


EVEN TRANS ACTIVISTS GROUPS ACKNOWLEDGE, the issue is a loser, and no argument they have tested works;

so again, you have TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, and persuade people. or move inline with the public.



this "trans women are women, no discussion" will not work.

You don’t see the hypocrisy? Telling trans people you accept them into society except for sports is like telling your wife you accept her for all she is except for the nagging, mood swings, complaining, etc. You know, the stuff that inconveniences you.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You don’t see the hypocrisy? Telling trans people you accept them into society except for sports is like telling your wife you accept her for all she is except for the nagging, mood swings, complaining, etc. You know, the stuff that inconveniences you.

nope not at all.

if sex and gender are different. then i don't see any problem with choosing to segregate somethings by sex.
you can still be a woman gender wise.

and tbh i bet if you polled trans people most would agree. I think this is an entirely online activist driven issue.

 

[Belgium]

Trans women are women. Trans men are men. There is no discussion to be had.

He’s purposely targeting a demographic that 1% of the population identifies as, and less than 1% are athletes. And he’s only talking about half of that less than 1%, he’s being as disingenuous as you.

Sure but it shouldn't be controversial to argue that trans women (formerly men) should not be allowed to play with naturalborn women in competitive sports. The hormonal differences are basically doping.
Trans men (formerly women) should of course be allowed to compete with naturalborn men. If anything, the hormonal difference there would be a significant handicap.

As for the playground or school gym classes, no one in the right mind should care about who plays with or against who in some insignificant irrelevant exercise.

I'd like to think most trans people would probably agree it's unfair to compete against women as a trans woman when you're basically on steroids compared to them.
I've never looked at any polling on that but I've yet to meet a trans person who would argue against that.

I think the main issue is that people want to restrict them in basically any sports setting, not simply competitive settings where you're playing for some monetary gain, scholarships or whatever.


In my experience it's pretty common behavior for sore losers to complain and want to ban anyone that is vastly superior to their peers.
A childhood friend of mine ended up in the youth team for Club Brugge, which is one of the biggest and most successful football (soccer) clubs in Belgium. Guess what? People constantly complained about him on the playgrounds etc because he was so far ahead of everyone else in terms of skill and dominance. I know he was moved up several years in the local football academy because he was far too good and because of the complaints from sore losers.

Same thing happened to one of our most well known footballers, Romelu Lukaku, who towered over everyone at age 11 while also being way better in terms of skill. Literally twice the size of anyone else. By the time he was 13 he was like 6 feet.
Parents constantly complained and his mother was forced to bring a birth certificate along because people refused to believe his age and tried to ban him. Lukaku is black though so I'm guessing that was probably the basis for most of those complaints.

At the end of the day, it's called a playground for a reason. Deal with it or go home.

 

[ajiiiplatinum]

for years we've been running as the "least bad" party. Well it didnt work this time.

The fact we had Cheney under our tent shows that we are a safe centrist party now...we should be the radical party. We should be trying to radically change people's economic lives.
Since billionaires, millionaires, boomers, academics, and the shrinking middle class hold all the power they dont want to rock the boat...they have no incentive to. Their lives have been great under Bush II , Obama, Trump I, Biden, and Trump II.

 

[Dark Brandon]

I don't even know if I want to go back to undwind the pages of arguments going on with this.


I come in peace.

Would it be controversial if people start using the terminology biological woman or biological man to differentiate?

That would be met with resistance from trans people. Say you had a conversation with a man or woman and they came out to you as trans. Even if you meant no harm or disrespect, if you responded with “Ok, but you’re biologically man/woman right?” they would very likely be offended.

 

[fdub]

I’m all for this!!

Pro 2nd Amendment!!!!