***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Armada]

I think there’s enough room to talk about

What the Democratic Party needs to do better
What left leaning and progressive voters need to do better
What the median voter needs to do better
What Republican voters need to do better
And be honest about what the republican party has done to poison the well.

 

[rolaholic]

Welp

 

[biggie62]

Welp

He loves eugenics so hope people enjoy that.

 

[nunya]

 

[staffsgtdignam]

Imagine living through all of this:

And when faced with four more years of it your reaction is tone policing Democrats.

I hate that you are absolutely spot on about this because it’s honestly really depressing to think about.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

i dont disagree with this at a high level and its some very good insight. but its another one of those think pieces that conveniently paints dems as the only party with agency while leaving out the damage and destruction done by the other side. this "Dem's just don't understand the working class anymore" minimizes the work republicans have put in over the past 15 years to make the truth as hard to distinguish as possible. Simply going on Joe Rogan isnt going to combat that level of misinformation/disinformation thats eroded reality for so many Americans.

Yah i don't understand this attitude,

the piece is about what dems should do.
its not about analyzing all the ways in which the world is bad.

if you are writing an advice column you focus on the agency of the person you're giving advice to.

 

[rolaholic]

He loves eugenics so hope people enjoy that.

Yep, resurrection of the swamp creatures in full swing

 

[05fordgt]

Trump announces Tom Homan, his former acting ICE director, will be administration’s ‘border czar’ | CNN Politics

President-elect Donald Trump announced Sunday night that Tom Homan, who served as the acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement in his last administration, will be in charge of the nation’s borders.

amp.cnn.com

It's not Project 2025 folks. It's Agenda 47.

They're virtually the same thing. Wording is slightly different for each bullet point but the message and end goals are the same.

Either way, we're totally ******!

 

[05fordgt]

Welp

Discount Goebbels as CoS? Be prepared for a Christian White nation aka Gilead!

 

[gry60]

its another one of those think pieces that conveniently paints dems as the only party with agency while leaving out the damage and destruction done by the other side.

In addition, like many pieces that criticize the Harris campaign, this one strips away the context of the rapprochement between the DNC and Cheney. The point of that alliance was to show that Trump being a danger to American institutions is not a partisan narrative.



Stefanik will be the US ambassador to the UN.

 

[kdawg]

Wait…

Voting machines were hooked up to Starlink?

Isn’t that a conflict of interest?

What the heck

I'm trying hard not to - because you just become a conspiracy theorist or a bad loser - but there is some funny stuff from this election, like the last few. Odd statistical things that don't make sense - lots of people voting down ballot for democrats, but not voting at all for president - smells funny to me.

 

[biggie62]

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Yah i don't understand this attitude,

the piece is about what dems should do.
its not about analyzing all the ways in which the world is bad.

if you are writing an advice column you focus on the agency of the person you're giving advice to.

because it ignores the landscape having bad actors that have grown their reach and influence. showing up on podcasts is great. retooling messaging is also great. but thats going to be in the face of the fact that large swaths of the country dont trust doctors anymore because of republican bad actors, large swaths of the country dont trust our institutions anymore because of republican bad actors, hell most republican didn't even know about the lengths the person they just elected went through to subvert democracy after he lost an election. Thats what Dems are up against. This message of "Dems need to care about what the people REALLY care about" is great at a high level but if they dont put a spot light on republicans practice of lying and breaking down democracy with impunity, I can see a world where the average american will be completely out of reach and the only way Dems will be able to engage will be inside the "reality" that republicans have crafted.

if this is just how we lick our wounds for the next few months, fine. but if this the only convo were having in 2 years, dems are cooked for good

 

[gry60]

Citizenship by birth to be curtailed by incoming US President Trump, will impact 1 million Indians in green card queue - Times of India

India Business News: MUMBAI: One of the top priorities of Donald Trump, the incoming President of the United States of America (USA) is to end automatic citizenship for ch.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Everybody gon' get it

During his first term, I remember telling folks to make sure they have something going on outside of the US if they're not WASP and are voting for Trump.

Everybody getting profiled. Papers please!

Might be a good time to post this too:

The 100-mile border zone is CBP's official jurisdiction. Don't think you're safe in a blue state/city.

 

[rexanglorum]

Elon Musk and his ilk think we’re mad at his ancestors. No, we’re mad at him for having the same values as his Boer ancestors and that many of supporters are talking and voting like their great, great, great grand pappy, the slaver.

We can’t the change the past, but we can change institutions shaped by the past. And a distressingly large number of voters are t in favor of that so they’ve created the narrative that honest history is an anti white conspiracy.

 

[gry60]

I can see a world where the average american will be completely out of reach and the only way Dems will be able to engage will be inside the "reality" that republicans have crafted.

That's a very good point, and that is one area of improvement the Dems need to pursue.

Words have meaning, and the GOP manipulates them all the time to their advantage (DEI, woke, CRT, inflation). Demanding message discipline in not using GOP terms and coming up with counter words (or using the words as they are meant to be used) could go a long way in diminishing the ability of the GOP to control the terms of the political discourse.

 

[rexanglorum]

(Double)

 

[yobyellav]

Stephen Miller

Seems like an incel that just keeps failing up. Or like someone who’d be cast to play a nazi lieutenant in movies.

This is going to be bad. A lot of the people who will be hurt by the upcoming administration will be confused because they chose to ignore a lot of stuff trump and co. said out loud.

 

[rexanglorum]

Right wingers think they are really doing it by calling Blue cities and States “confederate.”

Buddy, it wasn’t the opposition to the Federal Government that made the Confederate States of America bad. It was something else.

 

[Dark Brandon]

Stephen Miller

Seems like an incel that just keeps failing up. Or like someone who’s be cast to play a nazi lieutenant in movies.

This is going to be bad. A lot of the people who will be hurt by the upcoming administration will be confused because they chose to ignore a lot of stuff trump and co. said out loud.

Tbh the majority of his voters will still be disconnected with all his amoral acts because the “It didn’t/won’t happen to me” mentality. It’s poignant to remember the only thing they care about is money. His undoing in his first term was covid. Not because millions of Americans died, but because millions lost their jobs and couldn’t afford many essential items. So far it looks like the top weapon to use against him will be his tariff increase, which by the way are still in effect. Inflation is at early 2021 levels today. So if inflation stays the same but the price of goods goes up we can all point to his tariff spike for crashing the economy again.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

That's a very good point, and that is one area of improvement the Dems need to pursue.

Words have meaning, and the GOP manipulates them all the time to their advantage (DEI, woke, CRT, inflation). Demanding message discipline in not using GOP terms and coming up with counter words (or using the words as they are meant to be used) could go a long way in diminishing the ability of the GOP to control the terms of the political discourse.

yah i think thats giving them too much credit. words aren't magic.


Many people authentically don't like DEI, woke, CRT, inflation.
you need to either lower the salience of those issues or convince people they are good.


the GOP isn't putting the electorate under spell.
its extremely easy to make those things unpopular, because there are many aspects of those topics that most people would find objectionable.

 

[rexanglorum]

There is definitely some laundering going with Trump’s coalition.

They like to claim that all of them were voting for Trump because of the price of gas. A few did, they are a small and fickle part of coalition that put them over the top electorally.

Most of them voted for Trump because they feel that their social inferiors aren’t deferential enough.




1.) Education
2.) Being the whites who generally didn’t get our hands dirty with running plantations or genocide indigenous people but capturing much of the economic surplus from those activities. It creates a political culture of public pieties to compensation for our complicity.
3.) We got that prosperity gospel out of our system by the 19th century.
4.) we have collective and institutional knowledge of the previous gilded age and want to unwind this second one we’re in.
5.) We are generally post nationalists.

 

[Armada]

There is definitely some laundering going with Trump’s coalition.

This speaks to a growing gripe of mine for years and it’s a lot on the left that have contributed to this too. I am sick of progressives that are annoyed by liberals so much and are willing to tear down this whole **** but turn around and handle conservatives with kids gloves seemingly almost outta spite for their beef with liberals (vice versa of course there’s plenty of liberals and left leaning moderate operate that way too)

I’m so tired of the left being obsessed with dunking on people on the left that are like 20% different from them but treat maga people like they are fully reasonable if we just listen to them.

 

[Dark Brandon]

yah i think thats giving them too much credit. words aren't magic.


Many people authentically don't like DEI, woke, CRT, inflation.
you need to either lower the salience of those issues or convince people they are good.


the GOP isn't putting the electorate under spell.
its extremely easy to make those things unpopular, because there are many aspects of those topics that most people would find objectionable.

Words are a powerful weapon and the right wing DOES manipulate them. You don’t have to search very far to see conservatives consume Trump’s words when he says he’s going to increase tariffs and China is going to pay for it. That type of voter is too lazy to type the 15 keystrokes it takes to come to the truth of the subject.

DEI? Woke? CRT? All of these terms are the boogeymen to them because they’ve been told they are.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Words are a powerful weapon and the right wing DOES manipulate them. You don’t have to search very far to see conservatives consume Trump’s words when he says he’s going to increase tariffs and China is going to pay for it. That type of voter is too lazy to type the 15 keystrokes it takes to come to the truth of the subject.

DEI? Woke? CRT? All of these terms are the boogeymen to them because they’ve been told they are.

What you're describing is regular politics.

Your political opponents will frame your ideas in misleading and uncharitable ways.

Yes, that is politics.