***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dacomeup]

Whatever direction you think the Dems should move.

We can't stifle debate by calling people racist.
This has to stop.


If you think actually the democrats need to move further left, fineI think that's crazy,

but im not gunna sit here and say you're racist because you don't care about our latinx brothers abandoning the party.

Progressive policies =/= calling people racist on its face though. It’s not even helpful to conflate the two. Yes, the yt progressives on Twitter probably aren’t helping. But on the other end, people are consuming stuff like Charlie Kirk and Joe Rogan at frightening rates and it’s being normalized amongst young men. Also a major problem

 

[keko jones]

I'm trying to understand why some Hispanic voters shifted towards the Republicans this time, and a few factors come to mind. One that particularly stands out is the issue of gender identity and affirming policies. Many in the Hispanic community tend to be conservative on topics related to LGBTQ issues, especially when it comes to discussing gender identity with children. Whether or not these discussions are actually happening as often as reported, the Republicans have placed them at the forefront of their messaging.

The portrayal of schools having explicit books, discussing gender identity, and promoting gender inclusivity in areas like women’s sports may be seen as challenging traditional values. For a religiously inclined base, this emphasis may feel like a strong cultural shift, and I believe it has contributed to some Hispanic voters leaning the other way.

Again, this is just my perspective on what may have played a role in this shift.

 

[rolaholic]

What a time



This is the takeaway from noted YT/tiktok leftist, David Brooks...

 

[osh kosh bosh]

You have a knack for trying to paint people in a corner to say things that they absolutely did not say for the benefit of your own arguments. Biden was unpopular because of inflation and an inability to message how things were actually better for people under him. I’m not sure what “Bidenism” has to do with Kamala running a super moderate.

I say this because being more progressive = being more like Biden.
Because Biden was unpopular, she had to try to distance herself from him.

if youre saying she should have had to run to the left. running to left means running TOWARDS Bidens administration.

if moderating was the wrong choice, you have to explain how championing the policies that are closer to an unpopular administration. would have helped.


you need only look at the Trump campaign. what ads did they run the most?

The Kamala trans prison ad. Do you think they did this because they thought her weakness was that she wasn't left wing enough?

. People don’t want to feel like we’re entering into wars that are pointless for the country, regardless of what warhawks tell them about our interests in the Middle East or Eastern Europe. None of this is Bidenism.

nobody votes on foreign policy.

His turn towards progressive policies during his campaign is not the only brand of progressive politics

so you need to explain what is the progressive politics that Biden/ Kamala were missing.

because Bidens policies were cooked up by Bernie and Liz Warren advisors. what is the progressive policy they missed?

 

[smedroc]

I really hope this guy is homosexual.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Progressive policies =/= calling people racist on its face though. It’s not even helpful to conflate the two. Yes, the yt progressives on Twitter probably aren’t helping.

progressive cultural politics. and policies are absolutely connected. from the the activists groups that push them, to the media people that support them.

there's a reason the dude who is somewhat successful with it Bernie Sanders is 80+ years old.

because all the younger progressive are totally bought in on the policy AND cultural part.

But on the other end, people are consuming stuff like Charlie Kirk and Joe Rogan at frightening rates and it’s being normalized amongst young men. Also a major problem

again this is all cope to me.

the truth is, content that appeals to young men, just fundamentally doesn't work with 2024 feminine HR department progressive culture.

if progressives want to appeal to young men they have to moderate culturally. or create dem aligned content that is moderate culturally.

blaming it on children consuming podcasters is absolving progressives of all blame.

 

[rolaholic]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

We were all young men once. be honest, if you weren't a politically ideological person...

do you really think you'd vibe with progressivism culturally?

doesn't mean you'd become MAGA. but like be serious for a sec.


the party of policing language, sensitivity, trigger warnings, and microaggressions and declared pronouns,

like is there any group of young men in the history of the planet where a majority would be into that?

imo democrats have been getting their votes despite that, and then inflation came along and finally the dam broke.

 

[rolaholic]

Return of the swamp creatures

 

[B Sox]

All of this sucks

 

[sfc415]

We were all young men once. be honest, if you weren't a politically ideological person...

do you really think you'd vibe with progressivism culturally?

doesn't mean you'd become MAGA. but like be serious for a sec.


the party of policing language, sensitivity, trigger warnings, and microaggressions and declared pronouns,

like is there any group of young men in the history of the planet where a majority would be into that?

imo democrats have been getting their despite that, and then inflation came along and finally the dam broke.

I mentioned it before, but I find all of that over the top Youtube and Twitter activism extremely annoying. I probably agree with 90% of what those people believe in, but they almost make me not want to side with them, so I see where you’re coming from.

I just don’t recall the Democratic presidential candidates themselves promoting that or running on that. Maybe some people running for the House? But I just never felt like Harris or Biden were behaving like the pink or blue haired freaks accusing me of cultural appropriation for wearing a traditional outfit from my wife’s culture.

To ME they seemed pretty damn centrist and even on the right on some issues, but maybe that’s because I’m thinking on a global perspective.

 

[keko jones]

 

[mplsdunk]

“Feminine hr department progressive HR culture” is the reason I quit my government job. paid like *** and was like daycare. We had to watch stupid **** like this all day.

I came to run equipment not be lectured.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I just don’t recall the Democratic presidential candidates themselves promoting that or running on that. Maybe some people running for the House?

yah but this is why the problem. is so difficult to solve.

Progressive media and cultural institutions that regular people associate with the democratic party do promote it. and dems don't distance themselves from it.

LatinX is a good case study for this

- people start using it in hyper progressive online spaces
- Journalists who come from these spaces start using it in print, podcasts and tv.
- artists, television writers, media creators who are all progressives so they start using it in cultural productions. now you see it in movies and tv.
- politician staffers who are all progressive tell their candidate they need to use it.


and then all of a sudden you have politicians saying Latinx.


and it turns out Latino voters HATE it.

 

[biggie62]

“Feminine hr department progressive HR culture” is the reason I quit my government job. paid like *** and was like daycare. We had to watch stupid **** like this all day.

I came to run equipment not be lectured.

I had this exact training

But every corporate job has these trainings yearly. Let’s keep it , if we had normal people before us working at this companies you wouldn’t need to have these trainings. But people do dumb **** so they are created for that reason alone. That’s the thing people forget.

 

[Coupé It]

Kamala outran Bernie in vermont,

I guess bernie abandoned the working class?

More people voted for President.

There was an independent candidate running for senate.

Bernie would have changed everything.

Hillary, Biden, and then Kamala. Who wanted these people?

 

[staffsgtdignam]

Once those China tariffs hit next year, everything on Temu is about to be more expensive. That cute little useless label maker you bought for no reason other than it being $1.99? Aint gonna be buying it when it’s $14.99 under Trump’s Temu.

Honestly this is really good-TEMU/SHIEN have abhorrent labor practices so hurting their business is actually a good thing.

 

[mplsdunk]

I had this exact training

But every corporate job has these trainings yearly. Let’s keep it , if we had normal people before us working at this companies you wouldn’t need to have these trainings. But people do dumb **** so they are created for that reason alone. That’s the thing people forget.

that training was wild “I don’t like your hair”

Meh, the whole thing is awkward. I’d just fire racists instead of punishing everyone.

I’m also not about that corporate life either, I work in the country for a small company and race dirt bikes with my boss.

I can’t do it man, if you can work a corporate job props to you.

All the big construction companies do that training too and I kind of feel like it makes it worse.

 

[Coupé It]

Gen Z men have swung 30 points to the right. A smaller, but significant swing has been seen in women. It may be possible, for the first time in history, that the younger generation is more conservative than the older.​

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/?f=flair_name:"Political"

not surprised at all.

This right here man…

Now this is scary.

Gen Z grew up with the Trump presidency being normal. They’re accustomed to this.


This country is toast. How the hell are the democrats going to move forward without the young vote?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

look at every progressive cultural fad.

latinx
Defund the police
nonbinary ism
Trans women in sports.

it all start out in hyper progressive spaces and it filters through the culture, and it eventually gets to dem politicians
who trick themselves into thinking its popular.


and the worst part about this, the activist don't represent the actual views of the average person from those groups.

even look at trans stuff, the dam is breaking on that;
they are realizing that trans activists have led trans people to the brink of ruin;

2016-2022 people acted like I was crazy for saying secretly gender transitioning kids in schools is insane.

or that non binarism doesn't have much evidence behind it.


if you said that in progressive spaces 2016-2020 youd be decalred a transphobe and drummed out of the party.

 

[Beans]

Honestly this is really good-TEMU/SHIEN have abhorrent labor practices so hurting their business is actually a good thing.

-_- the company will be just fine.. you, the consumer will pay that increase

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I had this exact training

But every corporate job has these trainings yearly. Let’s keep it , if we had normal people before us working at this companies you wouldn’t need to have these trainings. But people do dumb **** so they are created for that reason alone. That’s the thing people forget.

and the sad thing about all this.
there is zero evidence any of these trainings work.

this DEI stuff alienates people, AND it doesn't reduce racism,
So what is the point? Why do Dems align themselves with it.

 

[atlsfinest]

More people voted for President.

There was an independent candidate running for senate.

Bernie would have changed everything.

Hillary, Biden, and then Kamala. Who wanted these people?

Two of these situations are similar, one isn't. Democratic leadership cleared the deck for Hillary in 2016, intervening in a race that Bernie likely would have won.

In 2020, there was a totally open race that Joe Biden won. Bernie really struggled with black voters, allowing Joe to sweep a lot of the Southern primaries.

In 2024, Kamala was literally selected and didn't win a single vote. I totally understand why Democrats coalesced around her. An Open primary would have been ugly and contentious and given the eventual nominee even less time to come up with policy positions and find a VP. Also, a lot of the ambitious presidential contenders chose not to run in a race that they viewed as unwinnable (and the results show that they were right to sit out).

That being said, literally choosing a candidate who no one cast a single vote for is less than ideal.

 

[ghenges]

It's no coincidence the blue states rank higher in education.

 

[mplsdunk]

After that training it was just jokes, not a single person took it serious. All that came from it was roasting people with racial jokes.