***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[rolaholic]

Demorats lost their way being the party of the blue collar, middle class and minority people.

They become what the old RINO GOP was. Rich Elites with celebrity endorsements that live in a fantasy utopia world.

Reality smacked them in the face in this election. They either move back to the middle, or get their *** handed to them the next few election cycles.

This cycle literally didn't bear this thinking out at all though.

We watched them move passed the center and ended up outflanking and being more hawkish than even the GOP on hot button issues and none of that mattered at all. It was a throwback to a national campaign from 2 decades ago that didn't take into account the present realities of the electorate.

Doing that again with a white man in 4 years instead isn't gonna change the fact that half the country categorically won't check that D no matter how close their policies mirror what they claim.

Doesn't matter how far they move towards the center, they're gonna be branded as radical communists destroying America NO MATTER WHAT.

Happened to Obama, happened to Hillary, happened to Biden, happened to Kamala and it happens to every single democrat running for office irregardless of their own personal ideological leanings. That's nothing new nor will it change.

All that red scare rhetoric has been hammered home from the GOP long enough that it truly doesn't matter anymore if that's actually the case or not. It's not the first time being used in the countries history either because the playbook still resonates no matter how little the average voter even understands about those concepts/terms.

So when it's damned if you do, damned if you don't regardless, why continue? Even with all that being said, they still manage to win when they're delivering a bold, forward thinking vision and alternative for the country instead of defending deeply unpopular status quos banking on voters prefering staying the course when we've been seeing a volatile electorate in consecutive insurgent cycles.

 

[Platinum State]

 

[gry60]

I keep seeing people talking about how the Dems needs to get it together before the next election. I hope to hell I'm wrong but Im legit not sure if we ever have one again. He's strongly hinted at it on the campaign trail.

He has the White House, both houses, the supreme Court. All checks and balances are gone. He has nothing to lose, an administration and advisors made up of nothing but criminals, conmen, and fanatics. And with an unknown limit of power with the immunity ruling, who says he doesn't just cancel the elections? Who's going to stop him? Half of the population wants that to happen and I'm not convinced the other half has the stomach to do what's necessary.

People think it sounds crazy but this is the playbook and we've seen it happen plenty of places.

The most important thing is, he is poised to bring back that EO that brought right-to-work into the federal government, essentially making career workers, experts, and anyone else with a technically sound reason to oppose his decisions fireable at the drop of a hat.

Let's see how Trump will make the US great again by draining government from its smart people and replacing them with unqualified loyalists...

 

[keko jones]

It feels like here in NT, only NT perspectives seem to matter. Anytime someone tries to discuss other viewpoints, acknowledge achievements, or question why things went a certain way, it’s quickly dismissed as coming from “racist straight white men, stupid voters, misogynist, etc.” But when you step outside the NT bubble, people’s opinions are often much different.

For example, here's a clip of a Black woman who shared her reasoning for why Harris lost, and her views align closely with what many people outside of NT have been saying all along.

 

[finessence]

Demorats lost their way being the party of the blue collar, middle class and minority people.

They become what the old RINO GOP was. Rich Elites with celebrity endorsements that live in a fantasy utopia world.

Reality smacked them in the face in this election. They either move back to the middle, or get their *** handed to them the next few election cycles.

Since Jimmy Carter… (him included) there have been exactly 4 Democratic and 4 Republican presidents over the past 45 years…. There’s been quite a balance

 

[nonnative]

He’s going to be well into his 80s and mentally incapable/fit to run anything…. So a Vance is his successor correct?

Yes.

To add onto that, it's not actually Trump himself that worries me. He's shown what he is. He'd be happy just collecting bribes, having rallies to get praise, and golfing. He's even broken character and gone against the party line occasionally like when he talked about the Florida abortion ban.

It's everyone else that is worrisome. The fanatics, white supremacists, and conmen that are trying to take us back 100 years and stay there.

 

[rolaholic]

Poor whites wants less rights so black people can't get the same

Tale as old as time. Alot of them eill run back to that single identifier over and over

Southern strategy still works to this day, 70+ years later

 

[trappedintime]

I’m done with politics after this. Only so many times you can try to be on the right side of morality, decency, common sense policy and none of it matters. Awful policy from both parties, awful human beings that run for the office, awful human beings who fight like it’s high school sports.

I don’t care about who yells loudest and is the most vile and insulting. And it was made clear last night that it’s the only thing most Americans actually do care about.

My life will be best served the next 4 years tuning it all out. They institute an abortion ban? Who cares. Should have cared years ago or yesterday. Want to f the avg American on taxes? Who cares. Want to align with Russia and fight former allies? Who cares.

I spent 8 years giving way too much of a **** and common sense failed at almost every turn. But believing the intelligence and rationale of Americans will improve in this lifetime without an incredibly drastic breakdown of society is hopelessly stupid.

I skimmed through the postmortem here and there’s so much delusion about the Democratic party making changes that will suddenly lead to wins and better policy. It won’t happen. They’re a failed party and there’s never going to be someone who turns around the messaging, let alone the policy in the next decade.

It is what it is. Life will go on. People will die just like they have at the hands of every American administration. Hope it isn’t you or your loved ones but that’s the cost of education and govt failing so miserably.

 

[rexanglorum]

Trump is going to discard him extra fast

After like six months, Trump will try to set it ip so that RFK gets eaten by a whale.




No wonder so many MAGAs dream of having young male concubines, even they know deep down that they scare women away.



Feeling very thankful I got out of the dating and hookup circuit just as smartphones, with geolocation apps, were starting to become the mainstay for

 

[SupremePizza]

Disappointed to say the least but not surprised. Regardless of who's fault it was, America has been full of garbage people looking to show their worst side. Just gonna bump FDT by YG and laugh each time Magat flips me off

 

[moe200069]

Once again, the Dems problem is there lack of authenticity. They claim to care about the climate, they claim to care about minorities etc. but little action is done but we see constant flip-flopping. Chasing efficiency and pragmatism get you nowhere in today’s climate.

Speaking of authenticity, or the lack thereof, Dems thought they expanded the tent by touting Liz and **** Cheney aligning with the Harris/Walz ticket and then Inviting trump dissidents to speak at the DNC. Celebrating a war monger and the architect behind the invasion of Afghanistan? Not sure if it served Dems in the way they thought it would.

They really thought the support of washed republicans was gonna drag them across the 270 finish line?

 

[rolaholic]

Trump is literally the epitome of rich elites

Those folks are much more envious of those 'rich coastal elites' they rail against than they like to lead on and pretend

They want to be like them and to be able to have real access and power to get away with everything that they can a lot more than they actually 'hate' them for looking down on everyone else from ivory towers.

They'd 100% be looking down right with them if given the same opportunity

 

[essential1]

Leading candidates to run probably between
Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear

Gretchen is my pick. Whether it's sound or not based on what just happened I don't know.

Walz would have a strong hand just as a guy who can run as a man of the people and is a populist but I don't think he wants to be President

I think Pete would do well, but as someone else said before head of DNC would be a killer job for him.

 

[finessence]

It feels like here in NT, only NT perspectives seem to matter. Anytime someone tries to discuss other viewpoints, acknowledge achievements, or question why things went a certain way, it’s quickly dismissed as coming from “racist straight white men, stupid voters, misogynist, etc.” But when you step outside the NT bubble, people’s opinions are often much different.

For example, here's a clip of a Black woman who shared her reasoning for why Harris lost, and her views align closely with what many people outside of NT have been saying all along.

… yet she didn’t mention ANYTHING about what the Republican Party promised or what made them so appealing. This is the point we’ve all made.

Ironically she’s using TIK TOK, which Trump and the Republicans want to get rid of

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Her white voters stayed home
Hispanic voters abandoned her massively

That was it

But they said white women learned their lesson and black men were the ones to worry about. Funny how that turned out. All that scolding us and telling us what he should do and it ended up not even being us.

Hopefully they learned from that.

 

[af1 1982]

But they said white women learned their lesson and black men were the ones to worry about. Funny how that turned out. All that scolding us and telling us what he should do and it ended up not even being us.

Hopefully they learned from that.

******* disgusting to see the democrats try to paint black men as the scapegoat.

After all the carrying they did for the Democratic Party in the last several elections. The Democratic Party wouldn’t exist without them

 

[NickFolarin]

Trump is going to discard him extra fast

RFKJr is gonna get dropped faster than a hometown kid losing his scholarship to a 5 Star recruit flipping on signing day

 

[af1 1982]

Even Bernie done with these clowns

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Trump is literally the epitome of rich elites

Cult of Personality.

 

[trappedintime]

Leading candidates to run probably between
Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear

Gretchen is my pick. Whether it's sound or not based on what just happened I don't know.

Walz would have a strong hand just as a guy who can run as a man of the people and is a populist but I don't think he wants to be President

I think Pete would do well, but as someone else said before head of DNC would be a killer job for him.

Exactly what I was talking about. Pete is the establishment state dept run of the mill guy who has a nice delivery but isn’t going to push any policy platforms that are aggressive or reach people. He didn’t even succeed at that as an Indiana mayor. You are correct that he can’t win races and would be better in admin than running campaigns.

If there’s anyone who becomes the savior of democratic policy it sure as hell isn’t Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom or Josh Shapiro. It would be someone we’ve never heard of that probably is a thorn in the side of the party before they gain traction. But running down the list of losers isn’t gonna suddenly make them winners or we wouldn’t have had Biden or Harris

 

[blakep267]

RFKJr is gonna get dropped faster than a hometown kid losing his scholarship to a 5 Star recruit flipping on signing day

Tbh I bet he’s already dropped.

 

[lovehateself]

Southern strategy still works to this day, 70+ years later

deontay told us then

 

[nonnative]

The most important thing is, he is poised to bring back that EO that brought right-to-work into the federal government, essentially making career workers, experts, and anyone else with a technically sound reason to oppose his decisions fireable at the drop of a hat.

Let's see how Trump will make the US great again by draining government from its smart people and replacing them with unqualified loyalists...

Yep. Schedule F.

It's all spelled out in black and white and the country willingly walked into it.

Corporations about to bleed us all dry with all regulation gone.

 

[blakep267]

I foresee there being a bit of a power struggle between trump and Vance. Most of the time Vps are rarely seen but I see him trying to get limelight and trump not liking that

 

[keko jones]

In 2020, I genuinely believed Bernie was the right choice. He was leading, and even Elizabeth Warren supported him, but then Biden unexpectedly surged to victory. That moment highlighted how the Democratic Party, despite its public message, wasn’t necessarily aligned with the grassroots. Bernie truly represented the middle and lower classes, and while some of his ideas were radical, they were still a better option than Trump’s. His policies, didn’t align with the wealthy elites who hold influence over the system.

Meanwhile, the Republicans have ultimately secured a significant win long term (SC), and we’ll have to face the impacts, both positive and negative. Trump has some proposals that could be disastrous if implemented, but all we can do now is navigate these next 2/4 years and hope for the best.