***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

On a serious note, the Nathan Robinson situation is extremely funny not only because he is a socialist

It is because of his special brand of obnoxious socialism

He excused himself from facing the economic, social, and cultural pushback to his arguments from liberal critics by claiming socialism was mostly about morals.

A moral code that is about fighting for justice, fairness, and distribution of power.

Didn't matter if others have better evidence backing up their claims, he was a socialist, he had better morals, so he should be the one people trust and listen to.

But the second he was tested, when the time came for him to live his raps, he was like HELL NAW!!

Dude is the pundit version of Tekashi 6ix9ine. The load mouth moneymaker of the group that claimed to be about that socialist gang gang life, but once the heat came he sold out the whole crew.

But instead of colorful hair, we get colorful suits that for the life of me I can't figure out where dude is buying them from.

 

[Cashflow]

 

[elpablo21]

Economic Anxiety strikes again!

 

[IATT]

Economic Anxiety strikes again!

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Nathan J Robinson is def a massive hypocrite.
That article he wrote about NIMBY's was one of the dumbest things i've ever read.


I will say tho,

There is a certain brand of hyper progressivism/socialists that have weird utopian ideas about egalitarianism

that seem to be pretty counter productive to running an effective organization of any kind.

Democracy isn't just like a seasoning that makes everything better.

Like there is no doubt in my mind that NT would Hood Talk like nightmare if Meth was deposed and an NTer led democracy was installed.

 

[elpablo21]

 

[blastercombo]

Looks like they photoshopped their heads onto each other bodies

 

[osh kosh bosh]

"Evil Weed" ???

 

[Methodical Management]

History packets for Utah high schoolers pulled for claiming ‘most slaves were generally treated kindly’

History packets that falsely claim “most slaves were generally treated kindly” in the United States and had “reasonable living conditions and hours of service” were pulled from the shelves of a Utah learning center this week.

www.sltrib.com

One of these days, Republicans should actually read 1984, instead of just posing with it like an inverted bible.

Which fast food restaurant will the police take him to following his comfortable arrest?

Methodical Management should let us turn Nike talk into a democratically run socialist co-op?

we can vote to transfer the charity funds directly to Kevin Samuels YouTube channel.
do some real good in the world.

The anarchist version of this website has already been attempted.

If my ad-free membership money goes to black Jordan Peterson, I'm storming the NT server room and demanding a recount

It’s actually almost time for us to donate the year’s supporter subscription fees.

We’re leaning towards MSF for all the obvious reasons, but suggestions - aside from those promoting incel icons - are welcome.

 

[fargin]

Man... what does it take to get shot nearby government buildings these days?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Nathan J Robinson is def a massive hypocrite.
That article he wrote about NIMBY's was one of the dumbest things i've ever read.


I will say tho,

There is a certain brand of hyper progressivism/socialists that have weird utopian ideas about egalitarianism

that seem to be pretty counter productive to running an effective organization of any kind.

Democracy isn't just like a seasoning that makes everything better.

Like there is no doubt in my mind that NT would Hood Talk like nightmare if Meth was deposed and an NTer led democracy was installed.

It is not just socialists that are obsessed with these alternative management structures though. Companies like Valve and Zappos have tried it too. I know people that worked at both places and the politics of placing her are not hyper progressives. On the West coast, you had libertarian tech bros preaching about how Holacracy was the next great thing.

Management structure is one thing. Companies should use whatever structure that is best for their company.

But worker power in the workplace, especially in America, is important. Bosses have too much control over some worker's lives, and steal their time too often. In many areas, the scales are out of whack

Stuff like unpaid overtime, changing hourly workers' schedules week to week, pitiful personal time, trash vacation time, unsafe workplaces, ineffective HR departments, having them being on call even when they are not working their shifts.

Like I'm sure a lot of video game developers wished they would have a say as to whether the game they are working on is delayed instead of them having to crunch for 80-100 a week for months at a time to hit a date.

Nathan Robinson's idiocy should be a reason folk think that workplaces shouldn't do better by their workers. And that workers need protection and some level of power in their workplace from being exploited. It doesn't have to be co-ops, but other no-brainer regulations and policies would do a ton of good.

 

[blastercombo]

Covid help getting stopped? Oh boy, Biden looking flabby and weak now

 

[wavycrocket]

Im just minding my business, scrolling thru Dr Umar’s page….and what a coincidence.

Serves him right.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It is not just socialists that are obsessed with these alternative management structures though. Companies like Valve and Zappos have tried it too. I know people that worked at both places and the politics of placing her are not hyper progressives. On the West coast, you had libertarian tech bros preaching about how Holacracy was the next great thing.

Management structure is one thing. Companies should use whatever structure that is best for their company.

But democracy in the workplace, especially in America, is important. Bosses have too much control over some worker's lives, and steal their time needlessly.

Stuff like unpaid overtime, changing hourly workers' schedules week to week, pitiful personal time, trash vacation time, ineffective HR departments, having them being on call even when they are not working their shifts.

Like I'm sure a lot of video game developers wished they would have a say as to whether the game they are working on is delayed instead of them having to crunch for 80-100 a week for months at a time to hit a date.

Nathan Robinson's idiocy should be a reason folk think that workplaces shouldn't do better by their workers. And that workers need protection and some level of power in their workplace from being exploited. It doesn't have to be co-ops, but other no-brainer regulations and policies would do a ton of good.

oh no doubt that Libertarians also have dumb ideas about management structures,
My cousin works in game development and it sounds like a nightmare hell ride.

im totally in favour of more worker power, all im saying is most big organizations still need hierarchies

...and both libertarians and progressives have weird ideas about human beings that lead them to lose sight of that sometimes.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I remember reading about how Valve worked as like a teenager

and suddenly it became clear to me why it took them 10 years to make half life 2.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[sonoftony]

Funny he left out Trumpito

if only we had M4A, he would worry if it'll be covered or not

 

[RustyShackleford]

I remember reading about how Valve worked as like a teenager

and suddenly it became clear to me why it took them 10 years to make half life 2.

My homeboy said it was a **** show. That is is worse than the stories heard of before because now they make so much money off of Steam that they stopped caring for a while if anything came out.

They were allowing people to choose what project within the company they worked on

So you a team could come together, work 6 months on a prototype, then one day half the team would quit the project to go work on another one. So you constantly had to kiss people's asses for them to stay on something. They could just peace out whenever they wanted and leave you hanging.

Mans said one time he thought one of the "leads" on a project just up and quit. But no one came to clean out his desk for months. Like 4 months later he sees dude getting a massage in the building, come to find out he just took off to the South Pacific. But only someone with clout in the company could do that. They would fire his *** if he tried.

The comparison usually thrown around is that it was like a high school. But the dude said nah, it was like working with genius-level todlers.

He said Gabe Newell the owner changed things over the past couple years. But he is never going back. Dude works at Microsoft now and is loving it.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

My homeboy said it was a **** show. That is is worse than the stories heard of before because now they make so much money off of Steam that they stopped caring for a while if anything came out.

They were allowing people to choose what project within the company they worked on

So you a team could come together, work 6 months on a prototype, then one day half the team would quit the project to go work on another one. So you constantly had to kiss people's asses for them to stay on something

Mans said one time he thought one of the "leads" on a project just up and quit. But no one came to clean out his desk for months. Like 4 months later he sees dude getting a massage in the building, come to find out he just took off to the South Pacific for months. But only someone with clout in the company could do that. They would fire his *** if he tried.

The comparison usually thrown around is that it was like a high school. But the dude said nah, it was like working with genius-level todlers.

He said Gabe Newell the owner changed things over the past couple years. But he is never going back. Dude works at Microsoft now and is loving it.

Few people on this planet earth I hate more than Gabe Newell.
because of his goofy ***, company with no bosses dumb *** idea ill never get Half Life 3.

 

[frink85]

Got my CA voter packet in the mail today, surprised by the lack of porn stars, potheads or outright weirdos on the ballot

Guess my man Johnny from 2018 didn’t wanna get involved in this mess #whynot

 

[tay1]

Jumpoff Joe killing it with the student debt cancellation. All he gotta do is take a cool 10k off everybody’s and mannnn

 

[RustyShackleford]

These Trump judges outchea willing

A Trump judge ordered Biden to reinstate one of Trump’s cruelest immigration policies

A new court order is the latest immigration decision placing conservative politics ahead of the rule of law.

www.vox.com

Mans pretty much trying to take order ICE from the bench. Wild ****.

 

[had pants]

 

[rexanglorum]

On a serious note, the Nathan Robinson situation is extremely funny not only because he is a socialist

It is because of his special brand of obnoxious socialism

He excused himself from facing the economic, social, and cultural pushback to his arguments from liberal critics by claiming socialism was mostly about morals.

A moral code that is about fighting for justice, fairness, and distribution of power.

Didn't matter if others have better evidence backing up their claims, he was a socialist, he had better morals, so he should be the one people trust and listen to.

But the second he was tested, when the time came for him to live his raps, he was like HELL NAW!!

Dude is the pundit version of Tekashi 6ix9ine. The load mouth moneymaker of the group that claimed to be about that socialist gang gang life, but once the heat came he sold out the whole crew.

But instead of colorful hair, we get colorful suits that for the life of me I can't figure out where dude is buying them from.

People’s politics should be guided by what they see as the most just and moral. I’m a socialist and an anarchist because, I believe it’s the most moral system available and you support liberalism and managed capitalism because you see it as the most just and moral system available. Outside of certain micro celebrities most conservatives and libertarians believe that their ideology is the most moral one available. So the fact, that NJR thinks socialism is more moral than liberalism, is to be expected; it’d be very cynical on his part if that were not the case. In my view his visible rejection of Marxism has played a role in him conflating the morality of socialism with his own personal morality.

Whether you’re a leftist or not, Marxism is great at underscoring the relatively low level of human agency in explaining how we have arrived at our present moment. Thousands of historical accidents have us in the material conditions that we occupy and holding the political views and systems of morality that we presently hold. Therefore, it’s generally good to be soft on people, be ruthless with systems and use the little bit of agency that we got to attack systems that uphold and expand hierarchy.

So while people do have agency, we all should remember that we’re all where we are, materially and ideologically, largely by accident.

Nathan J Robinson is def a massive hypocrite.
That article he wrote about NIMBY's was one of the dumbest things i've ever read.


I will say tho,

There is a certain brand of hyper progressivism/socialists that have weird utopian ideas about egalitarianism

that seem to be pretty counter productive to running an effective organization of any kind.

Democracy isn't just like a seasoning that makes everything better.

Like there is no doubt in my mind that NT would Hood Talk like nightmare if Meth was deposed and an NTer led democracy was installed.

Just be clear, Anarchists and communists are not opposed to org charts existing it’s that they should be based on actual merit and be limited to the project at hand and not be used in a broader social context so as to recreate a permanent ruling class.

It’s also a bit ironic and self destructive on NJR’s part because of Current Affairs did become a co-op, he’d more than likely be democratically vested with the organization power that he wanted. He did start the magazine, he writes the biggest share of the articles, he’s on almost every episode of the magazine’s podcast. He’s the heart and soul of the magazine and I’d imagine most of the other workers at CA would have agreed upon that. What the workers needed was protection from unilateral dismissal and NJR’s rash decision to dismiss them, highlighted that fact.

It is not just socialists that are obsessed with these alternative management structures though. Companies like Valve and Zappos have tried it too. I know people that worked at both places and the politics of placing her are not hyper progressives. On the West coast, you had libertarian tech bros preaching about how Holacracy was the next great thing.

Management structure is one thing. Companies should use whatever structure that is best for their company.

But worker power in the workplace, especially in America, is important. Bosses have too much control over some worker's lives, and steal their time too often. In many areas, the scales are out of whack

Stuff like unpaid overtime, changing hourly workers' schedules week to week, pitiful personal time, trash vacation time, unsafe workplaces, ineffective HR departments, having them being on call even when they are not working their shifts.

Like I'm sure a lot of video game developers wished they would have a say as to whether the game they are working on is delayed instead of them having to crunch for 80-100 a week for months at a time to hit a date.

Nathan Robinson's idiocy should be a reason folk think that workplaces shouldn't do better by their workers. And that workers need protection and some level of power in their workplace from being exploited. It doesn't have to be co-ops, but other no-brainer regulations and policies would do a ton of good.

I think that for ad hoc and/or very small creative endeavors, the firm should not necessarily be a union or a co-op but the creative types should be in some sort of a guild or a sectoral union. That way, they have economies of scale in providing benefits and pensions rather than a handful of people in small and/transitory.

If you’re company is not very small and has a permanent support staff, than they should have a regular union, ideally as a chapter of a larger sectoral union. So if you’re a video game studio, the support staff would have a regular union, perhaps affiliated with a sectoral union of clerical support staff, and that union would have a big say in the workplace at that company. Meanwhile, the developers who are working on a project would only be part of a sectoral union that defines the perimeters for all such projects but the developers would play a big time in shaping the work place because they’ll soon be doing other projects.

I think there are ways to have great worker rights, for all workers, while still giving creative endeavors flexibility.



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