NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[elpablo21]

Kolb to da Bills

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

The Raiders still should draft Geno if he's still on the board

Hope not. Would rather see the defense further developed.

 

[cash money 1999]

If he can't beat out Pryor for the starting job then he's done in the league. Either way, neither QB is the answer and our GM knows it.

it would really suck to have to give up a significant pick for him

theres a bunch of quarterbacks with 2nd-3rd round grades that have

had success as of recently with  dalton,wilson and kaepernick.

so going the barkley,tyler wilson,glennon route isnt the worse

thing you can do

if i was a raider fan i'd be more on board to tank it for bridgewater next year

and breather easy with a franchise quarteback for 16 years

 

[dredizzle87]

Eagles signed a 6ft.7 wr from Boston college . Ran a 4.4 in the 40 but is coming off a knee injury . Forgot his name but confirmed via realgm

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

If he can't beat out Pryor for the starting job then he's done in the league. Either way, neither QB is the answer and our GM knows it.

it would really suck to have to give up a significant pick for him
theres a bunch of quarterbacks with 2nd-3rd round grades that have
had success as of recently with  dalton,wilson and kaepernick.
so going the barkley,tyler wilson,glennon route isnt the worse
thing you can do

if i was a raider fan i'd be more on board to tank it for bridgewater next year
and breather easy with a franchise quarteback for 16 years

My thinking is that the team is going to be terrible this coming season, regardless of who is signed from this point on. So many question marks on defense, no real playmaker on offense once Palmer is gone. I think next draft will be a great one to pick up a QB at some point, assuming the Raiders are one of the worst teams in the league again (hopefully the worst, so I can save up for my Clowney jersey). QBs will be there in the second and third round.

 

[cash money 1999]

floyd and clowney

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Those two would be big in shutting down some Denver offense.

 

[mpire]

Flacco always had the defense that he did and receivers who cooperated and played team football.

Brett Favre and Tony Romo are both playmaking gunslingers who go on runs of phenomenal football and back that up with unbelievable blunders.

I can argue. Sure, he comes out looking like the scapegoat on numerous occasions, but that doesn't always mean he's the root cause. From a pure football sense, there is so much more at play that people either neglect to see or can't because they don't know what really goes down out there.

This all started with one absolutely ridiculous and boneheaded play, but had NOTHING to do with Tony Romo the quarterback.

I've shook my head at disgust at Romo a few times, but it's so magnified with him that other's want to blow it out of proportion. Your boy Eli has been a doofus on the football field numerous times. Peyton has made stupid mistakes. The aforementioned Favre. In fact, it's rare that any quarterback doesn't look foolish once or twice in his career. The problem is you guys want to compare him with Joe Montana or Troy Aikman or some **** and again...That's face value, no depth, type thinking.

The thing that kills me about the Romo argument is dudes pick and choose which games are considered "big." The Cowboys are 2-14 without Romo and at least have a fighting chance, albeit a small one, with him behind that ATROCIOUS offensive line.

Like, do people actually watch the games? Put Eli behind that offensive line, and you get the same result. There's only two QB's I'd take behind the Cowboys offensive line right now and thats Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

Dudes don';t realize Romo had all the leverage going into this deal because our bonehead GM put a clause in his original contract preventing us from franchising him next year meaning he could potentially walk free into the open market. We are already in caphell, and will continue to be with Jerry running the show. Romo's extension allowed us to take a 9 mill cap hit this year as opposed to 16 (Romo's base salary this year is only 1.5 mill). This is allowing us to finally start signing some FA's, hence the reason we've been so quiet this off season.

Romo also has leverage because the passing game took this performance by the rest of the team and turned it into an 8-8 record:

Rushing
yards 31st
yards per rush 31st
TD 27th

Defense
passer rating 29th
scoring 24th

The only other teams that finished out of the top 20 in all those five categories: JACKSONVILLE AND OAKLAND


But the GM's at NT are right: Romo is a choker and we should move up to get geno smith

 

[mpire]

We're really gonna say McNabb had more talent on his teams than Romo? ok. I'm pretty sure Dez, Austin, and T.O. are better than Baskett, Thrash, and......Avant?

You can put Jerry Rice, T.O. and Randall Gene Mauce all in their prime on the same team, and it wouldn't mean a damn thing if your offensive line is constantly on skates.

 

[cash money 1999]

Kolb to da Bills

not a bad pickup , kolb was actually decent before getting hurt last year ,

he still holds on to the ball a little too long but i wouldnt be suprised if

he got situated in buffalo

bills

chiefs

raiders

seem to have the quarterback situation resolved for now and jaguars are 2 years

removed from wasting a top 12 pick on blaine gabbert....where does that leave geno?

 

[keithdajuiceman]

Falcons looking at Carlos dansby ?

 

[mister friendly]

The thing that kills me about the Romo argument is dudes pick and choose which games are considered "big." The Cowboys are 2-14 without Romo and at least have a fighting chance, albeit a small one, with him behind that ATROCIOUS offensive line.

Like, do people actually watch the games? Put Eli behind that offensive line, and you get the same result. There's only two QB's I'd take behind the Cowboys offensive line right now and thats Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

Dudes don';t realize Romo had all the leverage going into this deal because our bonehead GM put a clause in his original contract preventing us from franchising him next year meaning he could potentially walk free into the open market. We are already in caphell, and will continue to be with Jerry running the show. Romo's extension allowed us to take a 9 mill cap hit this year as opposed to 16 (Romo's base salary this year is only 1.5 mill). This is allowing us to finally start signing some FA's, hence the reason we've been so quiet this off season.

Romo also has leverage because the passing game took this performance by the rest of the team and turned it into an 8-8 record:

Rushing
yards 31st
yards per rush 31st
TD 27th

Defense
passer rating 29th
scoring 24th

The only other teams that finished out of the top 20 in all those five categories: JACKSONVILLE AND OAKLAND


But the GM's at NT are right: Romo is a choker and we should move up to get geno smith

Nobody is saying hes a bum is he really that championship level quarterback that makes everybody around him better? I Because that's how they are paying him.

This is a good article about the Cowboys

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--t...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuZmwEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Sesame Street is not normally a place you would go for high-level football analysis, but occasionally even The Count can help decipher good cap management from bad.
With that in mind, here's a list of NFL quarterbacks who have received contract extensions that included at least $48 million paid over the first three years (as noted by NFL.com's Albert Breer shortly after Romo's six-year, $108 million deal was announced). The three-year total is important because most contracts are relatively easy for a team to get out of after that time:
• Tom Brady: $48.5 million in 2010
• Eli Manning: $49 million in 2009
• Peyton Manning: $58 million in 2012
• Drew Brees: $61 million in 2012
• Joe Flacco: $62 million in 2013
• Tony Romo: $57 million in 2013
To borrow a line from the folks at the children's TV show, one of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong.
Yeah, that's Romo, who unlike the other five guys on that list has yet to win a Super Bowl (let alone two for Eli and three for Brady). Heck, as former NFL quarterback Donovan McNabb noted via Twitter, Romo has only won one playoff game.

Now, don't take this the wrong way: business is business. Romo, who has high-powered agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra working for him, deserves whatever he can get. He also had plenty of leverage based on the fact that he could void his contract after this season and not be franchised by Dallas.
The real problem in all of this is how the Cowboys continue to do business. Dallas continues to pay its players and manage its team as if it has actually accomplished something. This is a team with an array of reported bloated contracts, from offensive tackle Doug Free (four years, $32 million) to defensive tackle Jay Ratliff (five years, $40 million) to wide receiver Miles Austin (six years, $54 million) to cornerback Brandon Carr (five years, $50 million) to defensive end/linebacker Anthony Spencer, who is being paid $10.6 million for one year on the franchise tag.
Like Romo, the Cowboys have given Spencer a lot of leverage if they want to get his salary cap number down with a long-term contract.

Jerry Jones (AP)
Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones has given too many people on his roster way too much comfort, way too much artificial belief that they are actually great when they are anything but.
Yes, Dallas has the makings of a good team and Romo is perfectly capable of leading this team to a Super Bowl title. Talent is not the issue. Mindset is the problem. Former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson said it best last season when he blasted the team's country club-type atmosphere.
In the aftermath of that remark, Jones promised change. He promised that he was going to make people uncomfortable. He fired defensive coordinator Rob Ryan and even let head coach Jason Garrett twist in the wind a bit.
But less than three months after another disappointing season, Jones rewarded his top player with one of the richest deals in the history of the league. The same quarterback who once posed on a lounge chair in Los Cabos during the bye week before the playoffs now has Jones figuratively bringing him drinks poolside.
More ice, Mr. Romo?
This is why the Cowboys are mentally weak, a team incapable of living up to its talent. This is why Jones doesn't get it when people point out that he shouldn't be the GM. It's not because he's so bad at it. In fact, the talent level of the Cowboys is pretty good and the drafting has been OK lately.
The problem is that there's no checks-and-balance system with the Cowboys. The same guy who's writing the checks to make players feel good about themselves is the same guy who's balancing the books to make sure the results add up.
[Report: Raiders on the verge of landing QB Matt Flynn]
Worse, there's no second person to be bad cop to Jones' good cop routine. Jones is becoming a latter-day Al Davis, a guy who loved his players and simply changed the coach when things didn't go right.
There's nobody in the organization to look at the players and say, "This isn't good enough." There's no one to tell Jones, "No, we don't pay players like this until they actually win."
No, there's just a lot of money flowing around to a lot of satisfied players

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[gameover2]

Cowboys not going anywhere near the Super Bowl with Romo at QB.

 

[pabstblueribbon]

Al Davis reference in that article

 

[mpire]

Nobody is saying hes a bum is he really that championship level quarterback that makes everybody around him better? I Because that's how they are paying him.

This is a good article about the Cowboys

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--t...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuZmwEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3

Its actually not a great article because he doesn't breakdown the actual terms of the contracts, which I'm sure he realized wouldn't fit his agenda. Dude doesn't even mention that the signing bonus is 25 mill which I'm quite sure is less than most of those QBs listed. I'll have to check when I get off work. But Romo's deal is really only a 3 year deal with the bulk of that money loaded into the last 2 years of the contract.

To answer your question: For us to be 8-8 despite finishing with those stats that I posted and the two other teams which had stats similar to ours finished way below .500? Yes he is. He's not a Rodgers, Brady or Brees (even though in 2011 Romo had a QB rating of 102.3 which was 4th in the NFL behind the aforementioned QBs). If you give him a good run game, and at SOME POINT a half decent defense, he can get the team to a SB. When Romo has to throw 62 times a game, NO he can not take the Cowboys to a SB. Very few QBs can do that...

 

[champcruthik]

Ifeanyi Momah.

Cooked Northwestern in '11.

 

[proshares]

Good to see some of you carry your stupidity from one thread to another.

 

[flyerthandelta]

DHB signs 1yr deal with the Colts

 

[SneakerProSr.]

DHB signs 1yr deal with the Colts

Man please be April Fools :\

 

[dredizzle87]

Niners pick up colt McCoy from Brown's .

 

[651akathepaul]

DHB signs 1yr deal with the Colts

Just as long as it ain't Minnesota, I'm good.

 

[sb]

nobody posted flynn to oakland or parmer most likely going to the cardinals.

thoughts

 

[dredizzle87]

I think Palmer to the cards would be a nice fit. Have two good wr's in fitz and Floyd.. but what's Palmer asking ? I know cards won't pay too much for him .

 

[sb]

I think Palmer to the cards would be a nice fit. Have two good wr's in fitz and Floyd.. but what's Palmer asking ? I know cards won't pay too much for him .

i think palmer in arizona and flynn in oakland is a win win for both teams.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

If it means that Raiders will be so bad that we get that #1 pick in 2014