NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[buc em]

Monte Kiffin is a TERRIBLE hire by the Cowboys. I guess they just wanted a guy easy to cut ties with next offseason when the head coach and the rest of the staff is replaced.

 

[Retroballer]

does anybody see the irony in Kaep doing interviews with a Brewers fitted while he's playing the Packers?

Kaep grew up a packers fan
Rodgers grew up a 49ers fan. Funny now that they are playing those teams today

 

[mpire]

Ware played DE at Troy so its not a big deal.

Supposedly Rob Ryan stopped showing up for defensive "meetings" for the past 3 months that even rubbed Jerome Henderon, his good buddy from Cleveland that Rob brought to Dallas this year, the wrong way. Also reports coming out that Rob wasn't really behind the "meat and potatoes" of the defense to begin with. Last report I've heard is that despite the injuries, Rob is supposed to specialize in coverage sacks and turn overs, none of which were accomplished his two years here.

Again I'm not saying the Rob firing wasn't necessarily justified. My problem is that he's only had the defense for two years and one of those years was during a lockout. Garrett has had the offense since 2007 and after Sporano left, hasn't done squat. Ray Lewis very openly expressed how easy it was to read our offense pre-lineup. If you fire Rob, Garrett deserves to go as well at least offensively.

We better be bringing in an OC.

 

[100027]

Yknow, people were so defensive about the Rob Ryan firing being a bad move, but the more I hear the more it makes sense. This guy has never had a team in the top HALF of defenses. Cleveland, Oakland, Dallas, all terrible, bottom-half of the league defenses. Sure they haven't been the most talent squads, but at what point do you stop making excuses?

 

[stillin729]

Denver is gonna run, run, run and Peyton will expose the secondary when they can't stop it

I expect a blow out, the Ravens didn't exactly blow the doors off the Colts who were easily the worst team in the playoffs

 

[mmg]

Yknow, people were so defensive about the Rob Ryan firing being a bad move, but the more I hear the more it makes sense. This guy has never had a team in the top HALF of defenses. Cleveland, Oakland, Dallas, all terrible, bottom-half of the league defenses. Sure they haven't been the most talent squads, but at what point do you stop making excuses?

While I agree about what your saying, you need talent though.

You can only scheme so much without having the play makers on the field.

This Dallas defense was riddled by injuries, had no pass rushing outside of ware who's also been hurt, lost there second best player in Lee also a ILB who's vital to the 3-4 a rookie starting at CB and horrible safety play.

And guess what? They were still in it in that last game of the season to get into the playoffs, and who cost them the game? Even after the defense had some stops, Tony Romo.

Was the defense amazing this year? No, but given the circumstance they had chances.

 

[100027]

Not disagreeing with you, but I do think a coach has to show he can succeed with what he has, and 3 is a lot of chances. If he's really going St. Louis I guess he'll have no more excuses left, because thy definitely have talent and were strong defensively this year.

 

[finallyfamous]

The games today & tomorrow

Hope for 4 good games.

 

[buc em]

I'm hype for all 4 of these, but I think the one I can't wait to see most is the Seahawks-Falcons. I wanna see Julio and Roddy White get ******g smashed by that secondary. Matt Ryan eating turf all day would make me happy too.

 

[651akathepaul]

Not disagreeing with you, but I do think a coach has to show he can succeed with what he has, and 3 is a lot of chances. If he's really going St. Louis I guess he'll have no more excuses left, because thy definitely have talent and were strong defensively this year.

I guess my reason has less to do with Rob Ryan and more about the entire coaching staff. Even if Rob wasn't a good coach. It just seems odd that Jerry would only fire him, like that'll solve the undisciplined or bad time management of the offense. Just seemed like he was used as a scapegoat for that team when I think most that whole coaching staff probably could've been dumped.

The dischord that Rob seemed to have caused with what MPire posted a ridiculous from a coach though. Maybe...Just maybe now that they have Monte knowing his role then their won't be that disconnect and with everyone buying in, we'll see more wins...I guess.

 

[sb]

broncos

packers

seahawks

patriots

...for the win

 

[651akathepaul]

broncos
packers
seahawks
patriots


...for the win

That's the hope.

Seattle vs. Green Bay - Rematch of the Fail Mary

Patriots vs. Broncos - Brady vs. Manning yet again!

Too awesome.

 

[mmg]

Cowboys team needs a new HC and OC.

Regardless defensively what they put in place the decision making and calling play for the offense is :x at times.

Rob to st Louis is def interesting and if he can't get it done there, I agree with you it's all on him.

That NFC west is going to be for the new few years.

2 Super Bowl contenders in Seattle and SF, a up and coming and dangerous STL team and if Arizona could ever get it going offensively they get some talent on both sides of the ball.

I expect 4 good games this week

 

[fraij da 5 11]

Offense		Defense
QB	Peyton Manning	Broncos	43		DE	J.J. Watt	Texans	50
RB	Adrian Peterson	Vikings	50		DE	Cameron Wake	Dolphins	28
RB	Marshawn Lynch	Seahawks	24		DT	Geno Atkins	Bengals	42
FB	Vonta Leach	Ravens	26		DT	Vince Wilfork	Patriots	27
TE	Tony Gonzalez	Falcons	24		OLB	Von Miller	Broncos	48
WR	Calvin Johnson	Lions	49		OLB	Aldon Smith	49ers	47
WR	Brandon Marshall	Bears	23		ILB	Patrick Willis	49ers	30
OT	Duane Brown	Texans	27		ILB	NaVorro Bowman	49ers	26
OT	Ryan Clady	Broncos	19		CB	Richard Sherman	Seahawks	39
G	Mike Lupati	49ers	38		CB	Charles Tillman	Bears	37
G	Jahri Evans	Saints	23		S	Earl Thomas	Seahawks	28
C	Max Unger	Seahawks	16		S	Dashon Goldson	49ers	20
K	Blair Walsh	Vikings	42		P	Andy Lee	49ers	24
KR	Jacoby Jones	Ravens	37½

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The Associated Press All-Pro second team
Offense		Defense
QB	Aaron Rodgers	Packers	4		DE	Justin Smith	49ers	6
RB	Alfred Morris	********	14		DE	Julius Peppers	Bears	5
RB	Jamaal Charles	Chiefs	7		DT	Justin Smith	49ers	17
FB	Jerome Felton	Vikings	12		DT	Ndamukong Suh	Lions	5
TE	Jason Witten	Cowboys	19		DT	Haloti Ngata	Ravens	5
WR	A.J. Green	Bengals	16½		OLB	Chad Greenway	Vikings	2
WR	Andre Johnson	Texans	8½		OLB	Ahmad Brooks	49ers	1
OT	Joe Thomas	Browns	17		OLB	Clay Matthews	Packers	1
OT	Joe Staley	49ers	11		OLB	DeMarcus Ware	Cowboys	1
G	Marshal Yanda	Ravens	17		ILB	Daryl Washington	Cardinals	20
G	Logan Mankins	Patriots	7		ILB	London Fletcher	********	7
C	Maurkice Pouncey	Steelers	10		CB	Champ Bailey	Broncos	8
K	Phil Dawson	Browns	4		CB	Tim Jennings	Bears	8
KR	David Wilson	Giants	3		S	Eric Weddle	Chargers	19
					S	Jairus Byrd	Bills	7
					P	Thomas Morstead	Saints	1

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[fraij da 5 11]

Peyton 43 votes to Aaron Rodgers 4 and Tom Brady 3?

LOL.

I guess we got no chance today against a defense with 8 All-pro's.........

 

[finallyfamous]

Phil Dawson the Gawd!

 

[mmg]

Jesus at the slurpage of #18, where's Chester to make sense of this?


And Alfred Morris and Charles over foster?

 

[bigmike23]

How exactly does everyone know Rob Ryan wasn't the problem? He sucked.

he did the best at what he had to work with. and i think the bigger picture for most cowboy fans is you fire him but keep jason as the HC.

does anyone know when the NFL will hear the cowboys and ******** appeal to get there cap space back?

 

[Retroballer]

Some one didn't vote for Calvin Johnson as an all pro. Someone really thought there was two WRs better than him. Lol

 

[Chester McFloppy]

Peyton 43 votes to Aaron Rodgers 4 and Tom Brady 3?

LOL.

Wait, Rodgers got 4 votes?

LOL.

Some one didn't vote for Calvin Johnson as an all pro. Someone really thought there was two WRs better than him. Lol

Most likely a Packers fan voting for Greg Jennings.

 

[MambaMentality824]

The All-Pro voting shows basically what the MVP voting will be like. Peyton is going to win in a landslide most likely. I have much respect for what he did this year but Aaron Rodgers was the best QB in football.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

 

[fraij da 5 11]

AP should be the MVP...

Chester you know I like Peyton... But 43 votes to 7 combined to Brady and Rodgers?

 

[elpablo21]

Beast Mode, Max, ET, Sherman

 

[Clyde Frog]

Peyton 43 votes to Aaron Rodgers 4 and Tom Brady 3?

LOL.

Wait, Rodgers got 4 votes?

LOL.

Some one didn't vote for Calvin Johnson as an all pro. Someone really thought there was two WRs better than him. Lol

Most likely a Packers fan voting for Greg Jennings.

Didnt we already discuss this? Go back to being wrong and silent.

Someone voting for Jennings sounds about as stupid as someone saying Calvin Johnson should be 3rd in MVP voting.