Donald Trump is running for president

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I was listening to a show on NJ 101.5 and they had trump supporters call in and speak about why they support trump and how they feel about Americas current state. Apparently the general consensus between the callers were that whites are under attack in America and that they're "loosing control of the country" and that they're being made to feel guilty for being white. All I could think of when I heard them complaining is this meme.
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[frenchbreadbuilds]

Those elements have always been present in American politics. You can't blame them for the current political climate.

The current political environment is a direct result of those elements being challenged though.

 

[rico x hood]

The current political environment is a direct result of those elements being challenged though.

Yes, I agree. Both sides feel disenfranchised under the Obama administration. And because that they've turned to the fringe.

 

[IATT]

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[frenchbreadbuilds]

Yes, I agree. Both sides feel disenfranchised under the Obama administration. And because that they've turned to the fringe.

Those elements needed to be challenged though. If challenging the racially and politically biased status quo is what is what is pushing people to the fringe then that speaks to an even bigger problem.

 

[rico x hood]

Those elements needed to be challenged though. If challenging the racially and politically biased status quo is what is what is pushing people to the fringe then that speaks to an even bigger problem.

Yes! I agree. They do need to be challenged. People looked to Obama to be this great unifier but his Presidency was the exact opposite. It drove the parties farther to the right and left. And like I said both sides feel disenfranchised now. In any other time the establishment candidate would be leading but like the Legislative branch Americana don't trust the Executive much either now that's why people are looking to candidates that promising to greatly shake things up ie Trump and Sanders.

No political analyst would have ever guessed that these guys would be polling so well. There success thus far is unprecedented in American politics.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Obama has been willing to compromise since day one, and the man hand been slapped away plenty of time.

Because the man is a black liberal he is so hate by so many on the far right

And Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump, besides being viewed as part of the establishment, are not in anyway the same.

One is championing social democracy, which his followers views will help everyone

One is championing white supremacy, which his followers believe will help white people, and white people only

Obama's approval ratings among Dems is like at 90%. If he could still run today, he would wash the entire field. Trump, Clinton, Cruz, Sanders, etc

And you wanna talk about feeling disenfranchised. The GOP is actively trying to disenfranchise black people

But you here playing the "Obama is to blame" game nonsense. He didn't unify America because a good portion of America is racist, and didn't want to see a black man flourish like that. And the GOP made it their mission to try to sabotage him all every step

Now they can't get the "white nationalist genie" back in the bottle, and it outchea granting Trump wishes

 

[rico x hood]

They're the same in the sense that neither should be doing well, at all. I don't care what they stand for, but something has changed drastically over the last 8 years. You can blame whatever elements you want but Obama is at the center of it, and that has been my point from the beginning.

There will countless books and lectures on what's going on right now. Both candidates defy contemporary political logic and rules. What we're seeing is a complete reversal in traditional election politicing.

I think you already know I don't give a **** about race relations. When I said both sides feel disenfranchised I'm talking political parties. If you want to call it black and white, feel free but I'm not going there.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Yes! I agree. They do need to be challenged. People looked to Obama to be this great unifier but his Presidency was the exact opposite. It drove the parties farther to the right and left. And like I said both sides feel disenfranchised now. In any other time the establishment candidate would be leading but like the Legislative branch Americana don't trust the Executive much either now that's why people are looking to candidates that promising to greatly shake things up ie Trump and Sanders.

No political analyst would have ever guessed that these guys would be polling so well. There success thus far is unprecedented in American politics.

Where we differ is that I don't see Obama as the bad guy you do. Unity is the goal, sure, but what "white" conservative America doesn't seem to like is pointing out the bias and the system(s) that exist because of that bias. That's the status quo. That bias is wrong. If The devisiveness is coming from the Left, Obama, and even more so Sanders challenging that bias then so be it. The fact that people are up in arms because equality across the board is being sought, that's a problem.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Where we differ is that I don't see Obama as the bad guy you do. Unity is the goal, sure, but what "white" conservative America doesn't seem to like is pointing out the bias and the system(s) that exist because of that bias. That's the status quo. That bias is wrong. If The devisiveness is coming from the Left, Obama, and even more so Sanders challenging that bias then so be it. The fact that people are up in arms because equality across the board is being sought, that's a problem.

Basically.

Conservative whites are in their feelings. Have been since the black man with a funny name got into office. They feel like they're "losing the country" to minorities.

Why do you think Trump started his campaign off with building a wall? Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic in this country. What better way to appeal to bigoted, poor whites them to tell em "Hey, we're gonna make sure we keep all them Mexicans out". For real, Trump's campaign started back when he was questioning if Obama was born in America and if he was Muslim.

Fact is, poor white America is scared
They're scared that minorities will soon become majority, they're scared that their mortality rate is increasing while everyone else's is decreasing and they're scared because America has proven they'll not only vote in a minority for President but even give him a second term.

Trump taps into all their fears. That's why he's in the lead. Not because of policies, not because of experience, but because he's promising to "make America great again". Which means "make America white again".

 

[rico x hood]

Where we differ is that I don't see Obama as the bad guy you do. Unity is the goal, sure, but what "white" conservative America doesn't seem to like is pointing out the bias and the system(s) that exist because of that bias. That's the status quo. That bias is wrong. If The devisiveness is coming from the Left, Obama, and even more so Sanders challenging that bias then so be it. The fact that people are up in arms because equality across the board is being sought, that's a problem.

People have the idea that including others at the table will take food out of their mouth. Is that an ignorant sentiment? Yes. Do I understand though? Absolutely. There is a widespread feeling of disillusionment with our government, on both sides and theven direction this country is going. Everybody is pissed.

I used to truly dislike Obama, but it's pure apathy at this point. I feel nothing towards him. So it's not a good guy/bad guy thing with me anymore. But I stand firm when I say he is the root cause of this current political climate.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Fact of the matter is people either want equality or "to make America great again". Being in the position he's in, any decision he makes would cause turbulence. Look at the executive order he made a few weeks ago in regards to guns, all it did was reinforce Laws already on the books but there was still an uproar. It doesn't matter what decision he makes, there's just a large part of America that's anti-Obama. I don't necessarily think that's his fault.

 

[District of Columbia]

He's at the root because he's a black man dude

How hard is that to understand

 

[RustyShackleford]

They're the same in the sense that neither should be doing well, at all. I don't care what they stand for, but something has changed drastically over the last 8 years. You can blame whatever elements you want but Obama is at the center of it, and that has been my point from the beginning.

There will countless books and lectures on what's going on right now. Both candidates defy contemporary political logic and rules. What we're seeing is a complete reversal in traditional election politicing.

I think you already know I don't give a **** about race relations. When I said both sides feel disenfranchised I'm talking political parties. If you want to call it black and white, feel free but I'm not going there.

Congrats famb, I already had zero respect for your opinion, but you have managed to push into the negative

And to let everyone know, this is a black man saying this.

 

[rico x hood]

You really need to stop putting people in a box. It's hindering your growth.

 

[RustyShackleford]

You really need to stop putting people in a box. It's hindering your growth.

My growth as what exactly?

 

[rico x hood]

My growth as what exactly?

A person. You're not at all accepting of ideas that don't fit your narrow world view, which is why we clash. A healthy debate is good for all participating parties. But you have this idea of what a black man in America should be and you lash out at me for not fitting that archetype. I've said many times on this board my only concern is my well being and that of my family. Perhaps later in life I'll join the cause but at this time it isn't on my radar.

But I say all that to see this, there are many different black people in this world. I'm not the ****ing, step and fetch it, white man bootlicker you all try to paint me as, if anything I'm just guilty of being selfish.

You should be more open minded, that never hurt anyone.

 

[RustyShackleford]

My growth as what exactly?

A person. You're not at all accepting of ideas that don't fit your narrow world view, which is why we clash. A healthy debate is good for all participating parties. But you have this idea of what a black man in America should be and you lash out at me for not fitting that archetype. I've said many times on this board my only concern is my well being and that of my family. Perhaps later in life I'll join the cause but at this time it isn't on my radar.

But I say all that to see this, there are many different black people in this world. I'm not the ****ing, step and fetch it, white man bootlicker you all try to paint me as, if anything I'm just guilty of being selfish.

You should be more open minded, that never hurt anyone.

I have given you plenty of chances in the past, you routinely were not able to form a cogent argument to defend your world view, and I point that out over and over.

Whenever we would get into debates, you couldn't for the life of you provide any sources to back up your opinions, you get called out on you obvious bias, then you played victim.

And he cycle repeats over and over.

You love to rationalize your lack of caring for a community your belong to, love to rationalize your selfishness, love to rationalize your obvious bias, love rationalize the flawed economics you believe in.

But hate when I call a spade a spade, and point out how nonsensical some of your views are, you cry bloody murder.

Do you see me doing the same for all the times you try to paint me as a lazy complainer that just wants handouts ?

If your not want most of NT thinks you to be, then start acting like that person. Don't expect a bunch of rational people to hear one thing from you, and think the other.

I am very accepting person, but I like to debate. A war of ideas is how people grow, unfortunately you feel want you can say whatever you want without being challenged

NT is not NoVa, it is not your safe space.

Be an adult , and deal with someone challenging the stuff you believe

 

[rexanglorum]

I do believe that the reactions that Trump and Obama have created, among conservatives, have shown us that identity out weighs policy.

Barack Obama's policies are left of center and sometimes mildly conservative but because he is relatively young, black and talks like someone who went to graduate school, he was seen as the enemy from day one. Most of President Obama's signature legislative proposals were mostly lifted from moderate conservative politicians and think tanks. Send people a check during a recession? George W. Bush did that. Use cap and trade to deal with carbon emission? Greg Mankiw, George W. Bush's economic adviser, wanted that. Obamacare is Romneycare scaled up to a national level. The stimulus is similar to what every President since FDR has done since the 1930's. From the 1950's to January 20th, 2009, Republican Congressmen bragged about how much highway funding they could earmark for their district.

Meanwhile, Trump wants to curtail international trade, raise taxes on "hedge fund guys" and institute national and universal healthcare. He is endorsed by a former Alaska governor who negotiated annual payouts to all citizens of Alaska. when you are white and talk like you never finished high school, you are a "real American."

If you propose cuts to social security and have faith in the market to deal with climate change, you are a "socialist," if you are black and erudite. If you want to literally socialize medicine and believe in making oil companies share the wealth, that is fine as long as you are white and talk like an idiot. Identity, not ideology is what seems to animate people, especially conservatives.

 

[SoleByThePound]

I'm not the ****ing, step and fetch it, white man bootlicker you all try to paint me as, if anything I'm just guilty of being selfish.

You should be more open minded, that never hurt anyone.

Everything you post in regards to politics & social issues contradicts your claim.

@ guilty of being selfish and then suggesting to be more open minded to others. You are something else.

 

[Mark Antony]

"Please be more open minded and accepting of my selfish ways". How stupid does that sound? I'm not sure how you want people to react . It's completely reasonable to identify an unreasonable argument and debunk it, not all opposing viewpoints are valid, definitely not yours. Quit your begging, pick up a book and gain some sense of humanity.

 

[rocky437]

 

Where we differ is that I don't see Obama as the bad guy you do. Unity is the goal, sure, but what "white" conservative America doesn't seem to like is pointing out the bias and the system(s) that exist because of that bias. That's the status quo. That bias is wrong. If The devisiveness is coming from the Left, Obama, and even more so Sanders challenging that bias then so be it. The fact that people are up in arms because equality across the board is being sought, that's a problem.

Basically.

Conservative whites are in their feelings. Have been since the black man with a funny name got into office. They feel like they're "losing the country" to minorities.

Why do you think Trump started his campaign off with building a wall? Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic in this country. What better way to appeal to bigoted, poor whites them to tell em "Hey, we're gonna make sure we keep all them Mexicans out". For real, Trump's campaign started back when he was questioning if Obama was born in America and if he was Muslim.

Fact is, poor white America is scared
They're scared that minorities will soon become majority, they're scared that their mortality rate is increasing while everyone else's is decreasing and they're scared because America has proven they'll not only vote in a minority for President but even give him a second term.

Trump taps into all their fears. That's why he's in the lead. Not because of policies, not because of experience, but because he's promising to "make America great again". Which means "make America white again".

??? lmao wth.

What is happening is a successful businessman is running for office who built a billion dollar business and has first hand experience creating jobs and lowering costs, unlike any politician, and Trump is not dividing the country by race and gender like the political hacks hillary and obama do. 

 

[Mark Antony]

 

Where we differ is that I don't see Obama as the bad guy you do. Unity is the goal, sure, but what "white" conservative America doesn't seem to like is pointing out the bias and the system(s) that exist because of that bias. That's the status quo. That bias is wrong. If The devisiveness is coming from the Left, Obama, and even more so Sanders challenging that bias then so be it. The fact that people are up in arms because equality across the board is being sought, that's a problem.

Basically.


Conservative whites are in their feelings. Have been since the black man with a funny name got into office. They feel like they're "losing the country" to minorities.


Why do you think Trump started his campaign off with building a wall? Hispanics are the fastest growing demographic in this country. What better way to appeal to bigoted, poor whites them to tell em "Hey, we're gonna make sure we keep all them Mexicans out". For real, Trump's campaign started back when he was questioning if Obama was born in America and if he was Muslim.


Fact is, poor white America is scared

They're scared that minorities will soon become majority, they're scared that their mortality rate is increasing while everyone else's is decreasing and they're scared because America has proven they'll not only vote in a minority for President but even give him a second term.


Trump taps into all their fears. That's why he's in the lead. Not because of policies, not because of experience, but because he's promising to "make America great again". Which means "make America white again".

??? lmao wth.

What is happening is a successful businessman is running for office who built a billion dollar business and has first hand experience creating jobs and lowering costs, unlike any politician, and Trump is not dividing the country by race and gender like the political hacks hillary and obama do. 

Qualify that statement, give yourself the chance to sound intelligent.

 

[Nike Jordan]

Usually the people who claim that Obama is so divisive are usually the most divisive people.

 

[rocky437]

^^ ur saying trump is more divisive than obama and hillary? You sound "intelligent" indeed.