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no kidding?Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Yes black people have the same rights as whites do (on paper. ) That doesn't reverse hundreds of years of dehumanization really, it doesn't at all.
Thank you for being a person (who happens to be white) who can think critically.
Yes, I understand that horrible things were done to African Americans for centuries, but again, can you not see how far things have progressed? Do you feel asif nothing has gotten better at all?
Also, what does the "(on paper)" comment mean? You truly feel that you don't have the same rights as I do? Really? How?
To make broad, baseless claims like the ones that started this post without any proof at all is flat out dangerous and not right.
While I don't agree with a number of things my government does, but these claims are extremely far fetched.
Thank you for being a person (who happens to be white) who can think critically.Originally Posted by CallHimAR
no kidding?Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Yes black people have the same rights as whites do (on paper. ) That doesn't reverse hundreds of years of dehumanization really, it doesn't at all.
Yes, I understand that horrible things were done to African Americans for centuries, but again, can you not see how far things have progressed? Do you feel as if nothing has gotten better at all?
Also, what does the "(on paper)" comment mean? You truly feel that you don't have the same rights as I do? Really? How?
To make broad, baseless claims like the ones that started this post without any proof at all is flat out dangerous and not right.
While I don't agree with a number of things my government does, but these claims are extremely far fetched.
An African American male is the President of the United States come January. Seriously? What more is there?
wow my head is about to explode.
Have you even ever read a book on racism? I mean by an author with a PHD in a specific field closely related to race or people or at least a by collegegraduate with a thesis? If so, please name the book and author.
I have studied and ready many books on racism, and it would seem if you were trying to get educated, you should get off of NT for a while and visit your localpublic library and rent some books concerning racism if you actually want to have a coherent discussion on the matter.
To even think that for one second, that because a single black (half-black) man was elected to be President of the United States, that the lack of balance inHousing, Loans, employment oppurtunity and in the justice system are magically erased is quite simply put, propostruous.
Ever heard of the term systemic racism? Obviously not with such an asinine statements such as the ones you have made. We live in a total racist society, thatwhile things have obviously gotten better, America still has a "white preference" in the things it accepts.
As far as the the CIA engaging in deviant behavior that you cannot possibly fathom, look up PROJECT MKULTRA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRAhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA [h1] [/h1]
Thank you for being a person (who happens to be white) who can think critically.Originally Posted by CallHimAR
no kidding?Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Yes black people have the same rights as whites do (on paper. ) That doesn't reverse hundreds of years of dehumanization really, it doesn't at all.
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Race has a lot to do with it...
But i also believe Social Class has a lot to do with it. but even with that belief, i myself still disagree with it cause (altho there were poor folks of allraces in N.O.) i bet if the majority of the "refugees" (another point) were of the Majority, help would have came quicker.
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Exactly what I was going to post earlier.
You're one of my faves here because of threads like these and PYPsOriginally Posted by mytmouse76
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Exactly what I was going to post earlier.
you're actually one of my faves on here b/c of threads like this...remind me of my dad...he's very pro-black...
And don't even ever use Obama as a counter argument because as i stated in another thread...we only have our first black president because the guy before him was a complete moron who dragged his party down with him. Yes Americans voted overwhelmingly for Obama but can you say--with certainty and conviction--that Obama was voted in because Americans finally embrace the idea of a black man in president..i'll wait for that answer as well.
Had Bush been a moderately good to excellent president, with a booming economy as his legacy, do you honestly believe we would have a black president or that Americans would be thinking "you know what, it's time for a 'change'--notably a black president"...once again, i think not. We have our first black president simply because Obama was this country's last and only option. Don't believe me, then answer this question--why has it taken this country so long to elect a black president. Why has it taken 42 tries to finally change things up a bit.
Do you still believe "your government" and this country is still fair and equal...
SuperAntigen
I really appreciate the response and you seem like a very intelligent person. I can't even argue the paragraph in green because sadly its probably spot on.
However if Bush had been a good President, we probably wouldn't have a Democrat in office either. Americans did have a choice as well. In the primariesmost Americans did vote for Barak Obama, and while it was not as overwhelming as the Presidential election, it shows that the direction this country is goingin is the right one. Again, there would be no need for the drastic change that occurred this past November if the Republican party was competent.
The reason its taken so long is because Obama was the first qualified African American on the ticket. Sadly, the history of our country is a horrific one, even up until the recent past, but hopefully Obama being elected can push us in the right directioneven further than we have already come.
I never said that I believed that the American government was fair and equal. I know for a fact it isn't.
You are right though, I don't know much about the situation or the history of the situation because it isn't my planned field of study. However Iprobably should look into reading up a little more on it since it ties in to it what I want to study, the Palestinian plight and the current situation inPalestine.
Can you guys suggest anything of substance/authors to read up on about the subject at all? I would appreciate it.
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Totally agree with this.
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Race has a lot to do with it...
But i also believe Social Class has a lot to do with it. but even with that belief, i myself still disagree with it cause (altho there were poor folks of all races in N.O.) i bet if the majority of the "refugees" (another point) were of the Majority, help would have came quicker.
Another good point. But honestly there were a lot of white refugees as well, and they got the same treatment as everyone else from the government.
I didn't mean necessarily another MLK, what I meant was somebody that would go into the community and help the development, instead of justselling drugs and contributing to the deterioration of the community.Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm
I didn't mean necessarily another MLK, what I meant was somebody that would go into the community and help the development, instead of just selling drugs and contributing to the deterioration of the community.Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Exactly what I was going to post earlier.
you're actually one of my faves on here b/c of threads like this...remind me of my dad...he's very pro-black...
don't get me wrong...i'm a lover of all people...i'm the save the world type...but at the same time i'm a black female and i knowif i don't do anything to help MY people no one else will...how do i alienate anyone? anyone willing to help is welcome but it starts with me and peoplelike myself...honestly...i doubt you would get beat up if you wore a black panther patch...pro-black is not different than being proud of being Latino, Irish,Japanese...etc...i think people get the wrong idea when they hear pro-black...they may actually get scared like we're on some "take over theworld" type stuff...not it at all...its about pride and uplifing a people...Originally Posted by DrewDioxin
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Originally Posted by mytmouse76
i disagree that the black community needs one leader to come save us all...we need people like those in this thread who are capable and educated to get out there and take control instead of waiting for the next MLK...
Exactly what I was going to post earlier.
you're actually one of my faves on here b/c of threads like this...remind me of my dad...he's very pro-black...
the bolded is already why there is no way there will ever become a fight for others rights.because your Pro-enter race, not Pro-People, which in theory is the main point of equality no?
I feel for anyone who has problems thrust upon them without choice,and for most of america,It is the supposed "minorities", that get the short end of the stick.I fully disagree with this, BUT when I try to explain my empathy for such a person all I get is a reaction of " you have no idea what's like for my race". simply because I haven't physically lived it and I am white. I disagree AND simply put, you distance yourself from possible help and alienate anyone trying to help you with that mentality.look at the Black Panthers,All races sympathized with the cause and early founding members were caucasian and asian american, yet now if I wore a Black Panthers patch,I would get my !%% beat simply cuz I am white. So it can't ALL be blamed on white america,just a substantial part haha.
The stabbing each other in the back is just not gonna get anything done,but at this point,with recession,possibilty of an assassination of the 1st african american president, war brewing worldwide,I say nuke the planet and hit the reset button,because apparently the human race didn't deserve as long as it got. It is time for some other species to try there hand.
no kidding?Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Thank you for being a person (who happens to be white) who can think critically.Originally Posted by CallHimAR
no kidding?Originally Posted by B Smooth 202
If anything, it isn't race that is keeping people back, its social class. This has a lot more affect on the current world than race does.
Yes black people have the same rights as whites do (on paper. ) That doesn't reverse hundreds of years of dehumanization really, it doesn't at all.