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Because there are plenty of boxers both contemporary and in the past that could beat Lee in my opinion....
Heck I'd even say Juan Manuel Marquez would beat him...
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Huh?...
obviously he is saying that lee wouldn't be a top 20 boxer ever, either.
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Quick question, what do you think Tyson would do if Lee were to attack his lower body with kicks?
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Heck, Zab Judah would beat Bruce Lee.
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no idea, really. but consider my question: what do you think lee would do if tyson attacked him punches? sure he could dodge a few, but what iftyson connected with one?
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As far as HW? Or in the grand scheme of boxing? I don't consider Jones JR. a HW let alone a great heavyweight...
Elaborate before I answer please..
Grand scheme. We're comparing apples to oranges already with Lee/Tyson. Might as well throw other weight classes in to the mix.
If you take off Jones, lets throw in a HW... say Foreman or Marciano. But then I think Tyson would beat them if all were in their primes.
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Just you classifying Bruce a "martial arts movie star" proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Dude developed his own fighting style...still widely regarded as the best theory of street fighting in the world.
Which is why we shouldnt even be arguing with that fool. He hasnt done any sort of research, and takes Tyson because he's seen him fight
you guys are illogical. How are you going try to make it sound like it's dumb of me to take tyson because I've actually SEEN him fight, while no one (me, included) has seen lee fight, and yet still (w/o any real evidence of ability) takes lee to win this fight. The sad thing is, I probably know about lee than you clowns.
But you do know he is trained in various fighting styles, and you have seen visual evidence of his speed, and you do know Tyson is trained to use only hishands, and you do know Tyson is only trained to defend against punches, and you do know Tyson has never fought some one (In the ring) with the kinda speed thatLee had. I just don't see how that adds up to Tyson winning. Not only can Lee avoid Tysons punches alot better then the slower heavy wheights that Mikefought, but it's alot easier for Tyson to be knocked out when every blow landed on him could be lethal. Tyson isn't trained to defend attacks on hislower body, and isn't trained to fight a guy who will headbutt, elbow, kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc. Tyson most likely doesn't even knowwhere to hit some one to kill them. While Bruce knows numerous spots. It just isn't adding up.
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I'd agree with that.
But he doesnt need to be. Tyson wouldnt be able to keep up with Lee's speed. Neither would any other boxer, except a possibility of Ali.
He'd take the shot, throw a leg sweep/kick, take Tyson down and finish the fight.
This isnt a boxing match, its a no-rules fight that we're talking about.
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It also takes longer for one to reach his target with a kick than it would take for one to reach his target with a punch...Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Kicking range is way outside of pumching range.
Here is the result of a well placed head kick....
An individual who can dodge said kick can counter with a devestating punch.
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Woah now...
I like Zab but....Dude was always an underachiever.....
Well Thats all folks...
Reached my daily reply limit....I rule this argument a No Decision....
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I am truly enjoying arguments from both sides.
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I'm a huge Tyson fan, but I have a feeling Lee would get him with smarts, quickness, and technique.
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Oh. No idea. Glad to see you've thought this out.
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all of you guys that are saying that all of these boxer would beat lee is just blowing things out of proportion, now you guys are just underestimating him anddowngrading him as a fighter
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Grand scheme. We're comparing apples to oranges already with Lee/Tyson. Might as well throw other weight classes in to the mix.
If you take off Jones, lets throw in a HW... say Foreman or Marciano. But then I think Tyson would beat them if all were in their primes.
abeautifulhaze wrote:
Just you classifying Bruce a "martial arts movie star" proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Dude developed his own fighting style...still widely regarded as the best theory of street fighting in the world.
Which is why we shouldnt even be arguing with that fool. He hasnt done any sort of research, and takes Tyson because he's seen him fight
you guys are illogical. How are you going try to make it sound like it's dumb of me to take tyson because I've actually SEEN him fight, while no one (me, included) has seen lee fight, and yet still (w/o any real evidence of ability) takes lee to win this fight. The sad thing is, I probably know about lee than you clowns.
But you do know he is trained in various fighting styles, and you have seen visual evidence of his speed, and you do know Tyson is trained to use only his hands, and you do know Tyson is only trained to defend against punches, and you do know Tyson has never fought some one (In the ring) with the kinda speed that Lee had. I just don't see how that adds up to Tyson winning. Not only can Lee avoid Tysons punches alot better then the slower heavy wheights that Mike fought, but it's alot easier for Tyson to be knocked out when every blow landed on him could be lethal. Tyson isn't trained to defend attacks on his lower body, and isn't trained to fight a guy who will headbutt, elbow, kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc. Tyson most likely doesn't even know where to hit some one to kill them. While Bruce knows numerous spots. It just isn't adding up.
are you kidding me? Tyson isn't trained to kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc??? tyson is from the streets, my friend. I'm surehe has some experience with improvising, and I am sure he knows how to do all the aforementioned things. Surely he hasn't perfected them to the extent oflee, but lets be serious, when push comes to shove, tyson could easily kill a man...Tyson at his peak, was also in incredible shape. It's not like he'ssome fat bum who just boxes to have something to do. No, boxing was his life.
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no idea, really. but consider my question: what do you think lee would do if tyson attacked him punches? sure he could dodge a few, but what if tyson connected with one?
No idea how he could defend a lower body attack but you're insistent on a Tyson victory?
Attack him with punches and Bruce dodging them? You watching too much Dragon Ball Z.
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While he's dodging those few why do you assume he isn't attacking? It's not like boxing where you can only counter punch. One well placed counterkick could break a leg. If Tyson comes out swinging with these punches that will kill Bruce from connecting that leaves alot of room for a very well placedcounter.
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relax man. the point i was making is that I don't really know what either of them would actually do when confronted with each other. we canall hypothesize about said fight, but who knows how each would attack/defend.
but, to answer the original question, if lee attacked tyson's lower body with kicks, tyson would probably have to tolerate a few, and go at lee's head. Lee, would then either have to stop the kicks, and defend, or risk having his jaw broken.
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World class boxer vs. Bruce Lee? Where are my fellow NT boxing freaks?! Bruce Lee would not stand a chance.
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SneakerHeathen wrote:
It also takes longer for one to reach his target with a kick than it would take for one to reach his target with a punch...Originally Posted by abeautifulhaze
Kicking range is way outside of pumching range.
Here is the result of a well placed head kick....
An individual who can dodge said kick can counter with a devestating punch.
...and vice versa.
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Zab Judah
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Grand scheme. We're comparing apples to oranges already with Lee/Tyson. Might as well throw other weight classes in to the mix.
If you take off Jones, lets throw in a HW... say Foreman or Marciano. But then I think Tyson would beat them if all were in their primes.
abeautifulhaze wrote:
Just you classifying Bruce a "martial arts movie star" proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Dude developed his own fighting style...still widely regarded as the best theory of street fighting in the world.
Which is why we shouldnt even be arguing with that fool. He hasnt done any sort of research, and takes Tyson because he's seen him fight
you guys are illogical. How are you going try to make it sound like it's dumb of me to take tyson because I've actually SEEN him fight, while no one (me, included) has seen lee fight, and yet still (w/o any real evidence of ability) takes lee to win this fight. The sad thing is, I probably know about lee than you clowns.
But you do know he is trained in various fighting styles, and you have seen visual evidence of his speed, and you do know Tyson is trained to use only his hands, and you do know Tyson is only trained to defend against punches, and you do know Tyson has never fought some one (In the ring) with the kinda speed that Lee had. I just don't see how that adds up to Tyson winning. Not only can Lee avoid Tysons punches alot better then the slower heavy wheights that Mike fought, but it's alot easier for Tyson to be knocked out when every blow landed on him could be lethal. Tyson isn't trained to defend attacks on his lower body, and isn't trained to fight a guy who will headbutt, elbow, kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc. Tyson most likely doesn't even know where to hit some one to kill them. While Bruce knows numerous spots. It just isn't adding up.
are you kidding me? Tyson isn't trained to kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc??? tyson is from the streets, my friend. I'm sure he has some experience with improvising, and I am sure he knows how to do all the aforementioned things. Surely he hasn't perfected them to the extent of lee, but lets be serious, when push comes to shove, tyson could easily kill a man...Tyson at his peak, was also in incredible shape. It's not like he's some fat bum who just boxes to have something to do. No, boxing was his life.
You and sneakerheathen have been implying this entire time that Bruce Lees fighting doesn'y count because it was on the street. So yeah Mike has someexperince but street fighting isn't the same as fighting a master of the art as you guys have been saying. Btw I said he isn't trained to defendagainst these things not that he can't do them. Tyson could not easily kill a man. A hard punch in the face isn't going to kill a man or Tyson wouldhave killed alot of people. Bruce could easily kill a man. He knows exactly where to hit you to do so. While Tyson could swing as hard as you can and mightjust hit that spot or might shatter a rib and that might puncture something. Bruce knows what he's doing while Mike is a bunch of what ifs
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Yeah, Tyson would have to accept more than a few actually and I'm sure a Bruce Lee kick to the thigh or the anterior cruciate ligament in your knee doeswonders to help you keep balance to throw a devastating uppercut.
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Which is why we shouldnt even be arguing with that fool. He hasnt done any sort of research, and takes Tyson because he's seen him fight
you guys are illogical. How are you going try to make it sound like it's dumb of me to take tyson because I've actually SEEN him fight, while no one (me, included) has seen lee fight, and yet still (w/o any real evidence of ability) takes lee to win this fight. The sad thing is, I probably know about lee than you clowns.
But you do know he is trained in various fighting styles, and you have seen visual evidence of his speed, and you do know Tyson is trained to use only his hands, and you do know Tyson is only trained to defend against punches, and you do know Tyson has never fought some one (In the ring) with the kinda speed that Lee had. I just don't see how that adds up to Tyson winning. Not only can Lee avoid Tysons punches alot better then the slower heavy wheights that Mike fought, but it's alot easier for Tyson to be knocked out when every blow landed on him could be lethal. Tyson isn't trained to defend attacks on his lower body, and isn't trained to fight a guy who will headbutt, elbow, kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc. Tyson most likely doesn't even know where to hit some one to kill them. While Bruce knows numerous spots. It just isn't adding up.
are you kidding me? Tyson isn't trained to kick below the waist, choke, poke eyes, etc??? tyson is from the streets, my friend. I'm sure he has some experience with improvising, and I am sure he knows how to do all the aforementioned things. Surely he hasn't perfected them to the extent of lee, but lets be serious, when push comes to shove, tyson could easily kill a man...Tyson at his peak, was also in incredible shape. It's not like he's some fat bum who just boxes to have something to do. No, boxing was his life.
You and sneakerheathen have been implying this entire time that Bruce Lees fighting doesn'y count because it was on the street. So yeah Mike has some experince but street fighting isn't the same as fighting a master of the art as you guys have been saying. Btw I said he isn't trained to defend against these things not that he can't do them. Tyson could not easily kill a man. A hard punch in the face isn't going to kill a man or Tyson would have killed alot of people. Bruce could easily kill a man. He knows exactly where to hit you to do so. While Tyson could swing as hard as you can and might just hit that spot or might shatter a rib and that might puncture something. Bruce knows what he's doing while Mike is a bunch of what ifs
AHAHAH. tyson couldn't easily kill a man?? I guess that depends on your definition of easy...but, when your fists are registered weapons, Iwould consider that pretty easy. And, no, we have been implying that lee's fighting doesn't count because hes fought BUMS on the street. Now, if hewould have beat up on ali, frasier, or some other world class professional in some back alley, maybe you'd have a case. But..since that didn'thappen...well...yea
