2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[awwsome]

so he's not a first option because you think he doesn't have "it". got it.

Dudes is off their rocker.


Harden can't be a #1 option on offense? Did you watch the man during the regular season especially down the stretch? Dude was averaging 30/5/8 while shooting over 40% from 3 and getting to the line at will.

Don't let his bad playoff performance fool you, he's an elite scoring talent and will continue to grow.


Now, his defense is horrible and he could be in better condition but those are my only gripes with him.

 

[pmatic]

I want to say Harden has Asthma, so he may never be in the best conditioning. But then again, he's always running up and down the floor so that doesn't help.

He was always gasping for air when he was a freshman.

 

[antidope]

Of all the guys who are the face of the team/main guy, who are the worst defenders?

Harden, Lillard, Irving, Curry,Love

 

[nykickstape]

There are so many star players who can't play defense or just choose not to.

 

[awwsome]

Harden, Lillard, Irving, Curry,Love

Melo


Also Curry isn't the guy on GSW, that would be Steve Blake.

 

[finallyfamous]

Irving a star, tho?

 

[jjs07]

I want to say Harden has Asthma, so he may never be in the best conditioning. But then again, he's always running up and down the floor so that doesn't help.

He was always gasping for air when he was a freshman.

Asthma kicks in only on defense.

 

[do work son]

Of all the guys who are the face of the team/main guy, who are the worst defenders?

Harden
Love
Curry
Lillard
Dirk

 

[90sera]

Irving a star, tho?

Unfortunately to the masses he is. Today a few commercials and 1 All Star MVP is all it takes. Smh

 

[do work son]

I want to say Harden has Asthma, so he may never be in the best conditioning. But then again, he's always running up and down the floor so that doesn't help.

He was always gasping for air when he was a freshman.

He isn't in the best shape, but somehow gets infinite energy when they run the fast break

 

[pmatic]

Yeeeah.

 

[finallyfamous]

Unfortunately to the masses he is. Today a few commercials and 1 All Star MVP is all it takes. Smh

Don't care if he didn't play in every game, but the truth is this.

Cavs are 78-152 since he was drafted.

Star my sack.

 

[dman14]

harden is actually a decent post defender given his size
other than that

 

[grandtheftbike]

kirby
pao
chris kaman

 

[lawdog1]

To me, Harden and Love are in a class by themselves because they don't even try half the time. At least guys like Curry and Melo put some effort into defense. They may not be great at it, but make an effort to put up some kind of resistance.

 

[IATT]

 

LeBron has been the best player on the planet since the 2007-2008 season IMO

And 2000-2002 Shaquielle O'Neal would also beg to differ

 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

2003 Tracy McGrady would also have something to say

no mention of timmy.. where is @Antidope  

 

[jjs07]

harden is actually a decent post defender given his size
other than that

So pretty much anyone 6'5" or taller/220 or heaver, who plays the 2 is a good post defender. Got it.

 

[dman14]

harden is actually a decent post defender given his size
other than that

So pretty much anyone 6'5" or taller/220 or heaver, who plays the 2 is a good post defender. Got it.

not really, but dude doesnt get posted up and scored on. ive watched a lot of his gms and not too many guys at the two position can even back him down. size does have a lot when it comes to post defense. what are you even getting at?

 

[awwsome]

not really, but dude doesnt get posted up and scored on. ive watched a lot of his gms and not too many guys at the two position can even back him down. size does have a lot when it comes to post defense. what are you even getting at?

That's where that extra body fat comes in handy.

 

[dman14]

To me, Harden and Love are in a class by themselves because they don't even try half the time. At least guys like Curry and Melo put some effort into defense. They may not be great at it, but make an effort to put up some kind of resistance.

curry gets hidden on defense a lot. klay/iggy/draymond would guard the pg position
love and pek are just a bad combo on defense. nobody to really mask their deficiencies

 

[MVP]

Post Jordan Era goes like this for me:

2000-2002- Shaq
2003-2005- Duncan/Kobe
2006-2008- Kobe
2009-2010- Kobe/Lebron
2011-2013- Lebron
2014- Lebron/KD

Although I'm interested to see some of the criteria people are using.

 

[jjs07]

not really, but dude doesnt get posted up and scored on. ive watched a lot of his gms and not too many guys at the two position can even back him down. size does have a lot when it comes to post defense. what are you even getting at?

You equated Harden's strength to him being a decent post defender. There are a lot of strong guys in the league who can't be backed down, but SUCK defensively. That is what I'm getting at.

 

[dman14]

not really, but dude doesnt get posted up and scored on. ive watched a lot of his gms and not too many guys at the two position can even back him down. size does have a lot when it comes to post defense. what are you even getting at?

You equated Harden's strength to him being a decent post defender. There are a lot of strong guys in the league who can't be backed down, but SUCK defensively. That is what I'm getting at.

im talking about harden. didnt even mention any other player in the league, seriously. and yes, he is a decent post defender. guys like hubie and even jvg have commented on it. he lacks focus other areas of defense. "WEIRDO"

 

[MVP]

Harden is a number one option, but Melo isn't and has never been going back to his Denver days...oh, ok.

 

[finallyfamous]

Post Jordan Era goes like this for me:

2000-2002- Shaq
2003-2005- Duncan/Kobe
2006-2008- Kobe
2009-2010- Kobe/Lebron
2011-2013- Lebron
2014- Lebron/KD

Although I'm interested to see some of the criteria people are using.

KD not there yet.

gotta win a title

Nash has 2 MVP's, b.