*☠*Official Chicago Bears 2009-2010 Thread(4-4)*☠* week 10 @49ers

[casperjr]

^^ i had heard a long time ago that he would be ok with rest but this peanut guy is another story

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[h1]Bears' Tillman: I'll be back for first game[/h1]
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July 28, 2009

BY BRAD BIGGS [email protected]

Charles Tillman doesn't know quite what to make about the fuss in the wake of his back surgery two weeks ago, and the cornerback vowed to be ready for the regular season Tuesday on the Bears' Web site.

"I'll be fine for the season," Tillman announced on the Web site. "There's no need to panic. When I panic, then you can panic. But I'm not panicking, so we're good."

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Bears cornerback Charles Tillman will be out four-to-10 weeks as he recovers from back surgery.

[Things] happen. I'm just glad it happened now versus in the season. But I'm all right. I'm always optimistic."

The club, however, said Tillman will be out indefinitely following surgery to remove a piece of disc fragment from his lower back.

The surgery was performed two weeks ago in Los Angeles by Dr. Robert Watkins.

The timetable for a return to the field was six to 12 weeks, meaning he has four to 10 weeks to go.

Four weeks would bring him back about two weeks before the start of the regular season. The outlying number would keep him out for at least the first three weeks of the regular season.

There's an abundant list of experienced cornerbacks available in free agency, including Chris McAlister, Travis Fisher, Mike McKenzie, Patrick Surtain and ex-Bears Ricky Manning Jr. and R.W. McQuarters.

But if the Bears were going to go the veteran route for insurance at the position, they probably would have gotten down to dollars and cents with Ken Lucas or Rod Hood when those veterans made visits during the spring.

Now, the Bears will look to get experience for Zack Bowman and Corey Graham at left cornerback during training camp, which opens Friday, and hope Tillman is true to his word about speedy recovery in what has been a challenging offseason with shoulder surgery in January and a hyperextended knee in June.

 

[seymore cake]

yea I read that this morning

 

[tylerdub]

Whats up with Urlacher talking smack about Cutler? I heardon the radio that he called a ______ (slang for female genitalia), and had to be held back by 4 guysin the locker room. Thats not cool. The good news is it only took one guy to hold him back last season.

 

[jpzx]

Urlacher

 

[the gr8]

god dammnnn right when %!$* seems to turn our way... Peanut

good news is that it shouldnt eat in to the season THAT much if at all, i just hope that once he returns he is still his normal aggressive self

Urlacher

biggest #+!+%+# beast in the NFL

EDIT: and JPZx... nice avy

what couldve been

werent you like begging to become a Knicks fan last season

 

[jpzx]

I was pissed off at McHale + I was smashed when I went through through that whole Knicks thing...I didn't realize how stupid that was until the nextmorning

 

[seymore cake]

My Son Lach!!!!!

Niether Jonny nor Ricky nor Tyreke being a Knick appreciated

 

[the gr8]

Niether Jonny nor Ricky nor Tyreke being a Knick appreciated

Well see whose laughing when J Hill is in Springfield, Mass

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Quote this, you won't see it from me much. Jay Cutler instantly makes the Bears a complete team. They already have a solid D, but now an offense tomatch!?

 

[jpzx]

^ Who does Cutler have to throw to?

 

[jetpacunlimited]

Originally Posted by JPZx

^ Who does Cutler have to throw to?

Your QB's of past made your recievers look pedestrian. I wouldn't be shocked at all if you saw that same reciever core look twice as good with a legitarm behind the ball. Mr. Hester will def be a player to watch.

 

[casperjr]

Originally Posted by JPZx

^ Who does Cutler have to throw to?

who does farve .......wait who do you guys have throwing?

moving on.....

[h1]On with the show[/h1] [h3]Cutler and targets clearly connecting on a dreamy Day 1 for fans[/h3]
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August 1, 2009

BY BRAD BIGGS [email protected]

BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- After working out plenty on their own at Halas Hall in the five weeks since the offseason program, Jay Cutler and his receivers were so amped up for the start of Bears training camp Friday that they were on the field getting loose 30 minutes before the first practice.

The exuberant crowd at Olivet Nazarene University reacted with every throw by the Bears' new quarterback. The receivers struggled to stay on their feet at times on the tightly cropped grass. To no one's surprise, tight end Greg Olsen looked to be the preferred target. And, yes, Cutler went deep and connected a couple of times as the Bears marked the beginning of the 2009 campaign on a perfect afternoon.

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Jay Cutler and his receivers couldn't wait to get out on the practice field on Friday.
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PHOTO GALLERY

Bears camp: Day 1

''Everyone's a little bit rusty,'' Cutler said. ''It takes time to get the feel for it, but I thought it was a good first day, guys were in the right spots -- that's the most important part of it. The rest is going to come.''

If the Bears' biggest issue is changing some cleats before tonight's practice at Ward Field, that's nothing compared with the dramas they've dealt with in recent summers.

''Last year, we came in here wondering whether Kyle [Orton] or Rex [Grossman] was going to be the quarterback,'' wide receiver Devin Hester said. ''That right there, I feel like it [took] a big toll on our part. We didn't know which quarterback to adjust to. This year we know who our guy is, and now we're just having fun and polishing up our work.''

Hester's adjustment on a ball over the middle had Cutler grinning afterward.

''Devin made a great cut toward the end and broke outside completely on his own, and I loved it,'' he said. ''So we're getting there. I try to give them as much feedback as possible, and I want to hear from them what they're thinking. So I've just got to communicate and keep communicating and keep throwing routes, and we'll get there by Game 1.''

Cutler's throw over the middle came on the heels of a bootleg where he made a nice completion to Rashied Davis in tight coverage. There was a completion to Brandon Rideau when it looked like cornerback Nathan Vasher was in the best possible position. Then there were the deep balls. First, Cutler hit Hester streaking down the left sideline. Then he connected deep down the right sideline with Olsen, who got in the kind of linebacker/safety mismatch that offensive coordinator Ron Turner will seek all season.

''Shoot,'' Vasher said. ''Impressive. Being off all that time, you could tell [Cutler's] been working. The ball is getting there quick, and he's very accurate. It's making it tough on our part on defense. [The deep ball] is right up on the sideline. He's giving the wide receiver just enough room to maneuver, and it's good to see out of our offense.''

Earl Bennett was running crisp routes, which had to put a smile on the face of Vanderbilt coach Bobby Johnson, who watched five of his former players, including Bennett, while visiting with Bears general manager Jerry Angelo.

Hester also looked generally smooth coming out of his cuts. Olsen is the go-to guy.

''We put a lot of work in between all the OTAs and the practices even before that, and then this break just getting together with the receivers and doing routes on air,'' Olsen said. ''We feel that we've all gotten pretty comfortable to this point, so we're just trying to carry that through training camp.

''[We need to] make sure we're both seeing the same thing, even if we're both seeing the wrong thing. If you're on the same page, most likely, good things are going to happen, and that's what we're trying to build right now.''

The crowd, estimated at more than 7,000 fans, was on Cutler's page. Replica jerseys were spotted all over. The journey has begun.

''That's who they come to see right now,'' tight end Desmond Clark said. ''He's the new guy in town and they want to see is he really what they say he is. I think they got a glimpse of that. Like I said before, he is as advertised.''

 

[casperjr]

http://twitter.com/BradBiggs

im going to be on his page alot just for up to date info

 

[illmatic34]

Originally Posted by JPZx

^ Who does Cutler have to throw to?

Desmond Clark
Greg Olsen
Earl Bennett
Devin Hester
Juaquin Iglesias
Johnny Knox
etc.

I'm tired of hearing "Bears don't have receivers". We have inexperienced receivers, not badreceivers. How are you gonna call our receiving corp bad if majority of them haven't even played a down? I'm not saying they're good, justinexperienced. They do have the potential to be good. Everyone keeps talking about Hester not being able to be a number one receiver, but they disregard thefacts. FACT: He played in 15 games last year as a wide receiver, and only started 8 of them. During the entire season, he caught 51 balls and got 665 yards and3 TDs. This season, he has a QB who was millions of times better than Orton ever was. Start him the entire season as the number one receiver and it'slogical that he will double his production from last year. Do I think he will catch 102 balls for 1330 yds and 6 TDs? Nah. But he does have a chance ofbreaking the 1,000 yard receiving mark. Plus, Olsen and Cutler have also been growing a rapport. Iglesias and Bennett were polished receivers coming out ofcollege, so they should be fine. And there have been nothing but positive reports on Knox.

Look at it this way:
-Bears upgrade at a lot of positions (Cutler, Pace, Shaffer, Pisa, Gaines, our entire draft)
-Bears play in a considerably weak division
-Bears get Rod Marinelli, arguably the best defensive line coach in football
-Bears defense is back healthy (minus Peanut Tillman)

There should be no reason NOT to make the playoffs.

 

[jpzx]

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I'm tired of hearing "Bears don't have receivers". We have inexperienced receivers, not bad receivers. How are you gonna call our receiving corp bad if majority of them haven't even played a down?

 

[casperjr]

Originally Posted by JPZx

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I'm tired of hearing "Bears don't have receivers". We have inexperienced receivers, not bad receivers. How are you gonna call our receiving corp bad if majority of them haven't even played a down?

so he hit you with the ether and all you can do is laugh it off huh

 

[jpzx]

Well I expect you to think it's an "ether", you're as much as a Bears homer as he is.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I'm tired of hearing "Bears don't have receivers". We have inexperienced receivers, not bad receivers. How are you gonna call our receiving corp bad if majority of them haven't even played a down?

I laughed because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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The Bears have the worst receiving corp in the NFL, and it's not even close. When Devin Hester, a guy who you drafted to play cornerback/returner, is your#1 receiver, you should know that you're team is in a terrible spot.

Hester is going to DOUBLE his production? Even though Hester started only a little over half of those games, he playedthe majority of downs in all of them. You're right, he played in 15 games, but he had a reception in every single one of those games which means heobviously was one of the Bears "targets" that they tried to utilize...so what makes you think he's going to DOUBLE his stats from last year? Ihope it's not because of Cutler....because if it is that's absolutely horrible logic.

The only legit target you have is Olsen. D-Clark took a HUGE dip in production last year...it's not hard to see that he's starting to fall off.

Bennett?
Iglesias?
Knox?

You're using those guys as defense for the Bears NOT having terrible receivers? I almost had to stop reading afterthat...

You have two 3rd round picks and one 5th round pick right there, and you're telling me that I shouldn't saythe Bears have terrible receivers for the reason that these guys are inexperienced?

 

[illmatic34]

Originally Posted by JPZx

Well I expect you to think it's an "ether", you're as much as a Bears homer as he is.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I'm tired of hearing "Bears don't have receivers". We have inexperienced receivers, not bad receivers. How are you gonna call our receiving corp bad if majority of them haven't even played a down?

I laughed because that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

..

The Bears have the worst receiving corp in the NFL, and it's not even close. When Devin Hester, a guy who you drafted to play cornerback/returner, is your #1 receiver, you should know that you're team is in a terrible spot.

Hester is going to DOUBLE his production? Even though Hester started only a little over half of those games, he played the majority of downs in all of them. You're right, he played in 15 games, but he had a reception in every single one of those games which means he obviously was one of the Bears "targets" that they tried to utilize...so what makes you think he's going to DOUBLE his stats from last year? I hope it's not because of Cutler....because if it is that's absolutely horrible logic.

The only legit target you have is Olsen. D-Clark took a HUGE dip in production last year...it's not hard to see that he's starting to fall off.

Bennett?
Iglesias?
Knox?

You're using those guys as defense for the Bears NOT having terrible receivers? I almost had to stop reading after that...

You have two 3rd round picks and one 5th round pick right there, and you're telling me that I shouldn't say the Bears have terrible receivers for the reason that these guys are inexperienced?

It's awesome that you think you know everything. We never drafted Devin Hester to utilize him as a cornerback. And I never specifically saidhe WAS going to double his production, I said it was POSSIBLE that he was. You tried reading in between the lines and exposing me, but you failed. Ispecifically said that it was possible that he could break the 1,000 yard receiving mark.

Look at it this way: Brandon Marshall is a 4th round pick. No one, and absolutely no one, believed he would be the player he was today. In the course of hisrookie season before Jay Cutler played, Marshall caught only two passes and 1 TD. He started the final seven games of that season (with Jay Cutler playing) andcaught 18 receptions, 287 yards, and another TD. And what a surprise: in Jay's full year as a starting QB, Marshall explodes for 102 receptions, 1,325yards, and 7 TDs. Same can be said for Eddie Royal.

And don't try to school me on Devin Hester either. Orton's arm is as weak as a noodle. Hester could have easily gotten more yardage if CaptainCheckdown was capable of throwing a long ball.

I find it absolutely funny that you act like the Vikings have a better receiving corp. Outside of Berrian, you have no one. Harvin? Hasn't even played agame. He might be good, but with effing Sage Rosenfels and Tavaris Jackson throwing to him, I doubt it. I'd rather have a franchise QB with no weapons thenan offense who has the worst starting QBs in the ENTIRE league with playmakers. I'm not scared of a ****** who fumbled away a lead and a Michael Vickwannabe. Jay Cutler has nearly 1500 yards more passing in his career then those two castoffs do combined. You know why Randy Moss sucked in Oakland?Didn't have a QB. Our receivers can be good. (Notice I'm not saying they will be good)

And besides, you're a Vikings fan. How many Super Bowl rings do you have to show for? NONE. You've lost four Super Bowls, your kicker missed a chipshot field goal that could have gotten you in the Super Bowl, and you had a collapse culminating in a loss to the freaking Arizona Cardinals of all teams. Callme when you don't choke, and when you win more championships then the Detroit Lions, then you can talk about the better franchise.


P.S.

@ the fact you have less championships than the Detroit Lions

 

[jpzx]

Originally Posted by illmatic34

It's awesome that you think you know everything. We never drafted Devin Hester to utilize him as a cornerback.

It's awesome that you know nothing about your own team.

The team originally drafted Hester as a cornerback, but they intended to play him as a return specialist, following the retirement of Jerry Azumah, and departure of Bobby Wade.
Where does it say he's going to play WR? Nowhere. Your team intended him to play KR first, CB second.

at using a second round pick on a guy to return kicks.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

And I never specifically said he WAS going to double his production, I said it was POSSIBLE that he was.

Hmm...

Originally Posted by illmatic34

Start him the entire season as the number one receiver and it's logical that he will double his production from last year.

...

Originally Posted by illmatic34

Look at it this way: Brandon Marshall is a 4th round pick. No one, and absolutely no one, believed he would be the player he was today.

Great point....usually 4th-5th round receivers pan out. What was I thinking?

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I find it absolutely funny that you act like the Vikings have a better receiving corp. Outside of Berrian, you have no one. Harvin? Hasn't even played a game.

Well if you think Greg Olsen is a legit target for the Bears then Visanthe Shiancoe would be a legit target for the Vikings.

Shiancoe's '08 stats: 7 TDs, 596 YDs
Olsen's '08 stats: 5 TDs, 574 YDs

Also, how can you question Harvin, a 1st round pick, and then defend Knox and Iglesias, who are 3rd and 5th round picks?

 

[illmatic34]

Originally Posted by JPZx

Originally Posted by illmatic34

It's awesome that you think you know everything. We never drafted Devin Hester to utilize him as a cornerback.

It's awesome that you know nothing about your own team.

The team originally drafted Hester as a cornerback, but they intended to play him as a return specialist, following the retirement of Jerry Azumah, and departure of Bobby Wade.

Where does it say he's going to play WR? Nowhere. Your team intended him to play KR first, CB second.

at using a second round pick on a guy to return kicks.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

And I never specifically said he WAS going to double his production, I said it was POSSIBLE that he was.

Hmm...

Originally Posted by illmatic34

Start him the entire season as the number one receiver and it's logical that he will double his production from last year.

...

Originally Posted by illmatic34

Look at it this way: Brandon Marshall is a 4th round pick. No one, and absolutely no one, believed he would be the player he was today.

Great point....usually 4th-5th round receivers pan out. What was I thinking?

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I find it absolutely funny that you act like the Vikings have a better receiving corp. Outside of Berrian, you have no one. Harvin? Hasn't even played a game.

Well if you think Greg Olsen is a legit target for the Bears then Visanthe Shiancoe would be a legit target for the Vikings.

Shiancoe's '08 stats: 7 TDs, 596 YDs
Olsen's '08 stats: 5 TDs, 574 YDs

Also, how can you question Harvin, a 1st round pick, and then defend Knox and Iglesias, who are 3rd and 5th round picks?



And we barely used Hester at cornerback. NOWHERE in the article that is used as a citation says that we drafted Hester to use him as a cornerback.Yes, we did draft him as a return specialist. It's funny how you laugh at drafting a return specialist in the second round, but look how that turned outfor us: he's the best returner of all time. We decided to let him play as a receiver due to the fact he's speedy, is quick on his feet, and he'sthe most explosive player on our team. He hasn't even started a full season for us at receiver, give him a freaking break.

You just made yourself look stupid with that Brandon Marshall comment. Like you said, not many 4th or 5th round receivers become stars. Marshall benefited fromgood QB play (Cutler) - so why can't Bennett and Iglesias do the same? Royal and Marshall were no names before Cutler played. Cutler has a cannon, anaccurate deep ball, and mobility: something Orton never had. It's possible that our receivers will benefit from this.

You disregard the fact that Shiancoe started 15 games, and Olsen started 7. Olsen put up nearly the same stats as Shiancoe did but in less games. Now thatCutler is throwing to him, and the Viqueens still have sucky QB's, means that Olsen > Shiancoe. You'd be extremely dumb to think Shiancoe is better.

And the word logical does not have the same meaning as the word will. Please stop trying to turn the tables on me. You're not good at it. FOR THE LASTTIME, I SAID IT IS LOGICAL FOR HIM TO DOUBLE HIS PRODUCTION, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T. You forgot the bolded part,buddy. I also said it's possible for him to break the 1,000 yard receiving mark. And it is possible; he now has a franchise QB and an offensive line toprotect their QB.

Any other words?

 

[jpzx]

Originally Posted by illmatic34

And we barely used Hester at cornerback. NOWHERE in the article that is used as a citation says that we drafted Hester to use him as a cornerback. Yes, we did draft him as a return specialist. It's funny how you laugh at drafting a return specialist in the second round, but look how that turned out for us: he's the best returner of all time. We decided to let him play as a receiver due to the fact he's speedy, is quick on his feet, and he's the most explosive player on our team. He hasn't even started a full season for us at receiver, give him a freaking break.
Like you said, not many 4th or 5th round receivers become stars. Marshall benefited from good QB play (Cutler) - so why can't Bennett and Iglesias do the same?

Brandon Marshall benefited from Cutler's QB play but he is a freakish WR who is great himself . He will still excel with Orton or any other QBthat comes in to play for the Mile High team. Unlike Bennett and Iglesias, Marshall doesn't have to 100% depend on a good QB in order for him to put upnumbers.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

FOR THE LAST TIME, I SAID IT IS LOGICAL FOR HIM TO DOUBLE HIS PRODUCTION, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T.

Nowhere in your post where I pointed out your statement about Hester doubling his production did you say "he probably won't". Whatyou did say however, is that it's logical to think he will double hisproduction.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

It's funny how you laugh at drafting a return specialist in the second round, but look how that turned out for us: he's the best returner of all time.

FOR THE LAST TIME, I SAID IT IS LOGICAL FOR HIM TO DOUBLE HIS PRODUCTION, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T.

...

Look....it's obvious you're a Bears homer and that anything I say about your receivers or any of the other players on your roster will be looked at aswrong if it's not something positive. It's alright to be like that, but pretty soon you're going to have to realize that your team is not god'sgift to football, in reality they are just an average football team.

Anyway, have fun with this guy this season:

Damn, it must be bad when his own teammates are calling him a **++!

...usually it's only opposing players.

 

[illmatic34]

Originally Posted by JPZx

Originally Posted by illmatic34

And we barely used Hester at cornerback. NOWHERE in the article that is used as a citation says that we drafted Hester to use him as a cornerback. Yes, we did draft him as a return specialist. It's funny how you laugh at drafting a return specialist in the second round, but look how that turned out for us: he's the best returner of all time. We decided to let him play as a receiver due to the fact he's speedy, is quick on his feet, and he's the most explosive player on our team. He hasn't even started a full season for us at receiver, give him a freaking break.
Like you said, not many 4th or 5th round receivers become stars. Marshall benefited from good QB play (Cutler) - so why can't Bennett and Iglesias do the same?

Brandon Marshall benefited from Cutler's QB play but he is a freakish WR who is great himself . He will still excel with Orton or any other QB that comes in to play for the Mile High team. Unlike Bennett and Iglesias, Marshall doesn't have to 100% depend on a good QB in order for him to put up numbers.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

FOR THE LAST TIME, I SAID IT IS LOGICAL FOR HIM TO DOUBLE HIS PRODUCTION, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T.

Nowhere in your post where I pointed out your statement about Hester doubling his production did you say "he probably won't". What you did say however, is that it's logical to think he will double his production.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

It's funny how you laugh at drafting a return specialist in the second round, but look how that turned out for us: he's the best returner of all time.

FOR THE LAST TIME, I SAID IT IS LOGICAL FOR HIM TO DOUBLE HIS PRODUCTION, BUT HE PROBABLY WON'T.

...

Look....it's obvious you're a Bears homer and that anything I say about your receivers or any of the other players on your roster will be looked at as wrong if it's not something positive. It's alright to be like that, but pretty soon you're going to have to realize that your team is not god's gift to football, in reality they are just an average football team.

Anyway, have fun with this guy this season:

Damn, it must be bad when his own teammates are calling him a **++!

...usually it's only opposing players.

Marshall and Royal's numbers are going to dip with Orton at QB, especially when Orton is not able to get them the ball.

Pretty soon you're going to realize that you're the same old Vikings: you choke in critical moments and still haven't won a god damn Super Bowl.

Also, you fruit little Bobby Wade is just trying to mess with team chemistry.

This is your championship trophy case:



P.S. Don't even front, if you had Cutler you would have jizzed your pants.

 

[jpzx]

You recycling jokes now? You already used the trophy case one....and it wasn't funny the first time either

Anyway, the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl was 1985....I doubt you weren't even alive then so I don't know why you're even boasting aboutthat.

 

[illmatic34]

Originally Posted by JPZx

You recycling jokes now? You already used the trophy case one....and it wasn't funny the first time either

Anyway, the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl was 1985....I doubt you weren't even alive then so I don't know why you're even boasting about that.

Recycling jokes? I'm just restating facts. When was the last time the Vikings won the Super Bowl?

And once again, you're pulling words out of your %@@. Never did I boast about the '85 Bears.

 

[jpzx]

Originally Posted by illmatic34

Also, you fruit little Bobby Wade is just trying to mess with team chemistry.

Yeah, because he'd sacrifice his friendship with Urlacher just to try to mess with another team's chemstry

Truth of the matter is that everyone is trying to cover for each other now. Wade is saying he made it up, and Urlacher is saying he never said that when theywere in Vegas in order to not hurt the %$*%#'s feelings and not tear apart the locker room.

It's obvious Wade didn't know that it was going to blow up like it did. He's not the kind of guy that would make stuff up like that anyway.

Originally Posted by illmatic34

I'm just restating facts. When was the last time the Vikings won the Super Bowl?

Whoa

...you're right!!!?? When is the last time the Vikings won a Super Bowl? Wow no one's ever brought that up in an argument before. How original!

You're going to pull that card? Really? You couldn't think of anything else? It had zero to do with what we were discussing. It's pretty obviousthat you had nothing to say so you decided to dig that up.