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No Booker T or Maria Menudo on my WWE HOF? I can't dig that, sucka.
Wrestling Thread: 4/11 TNA Impact LIVE - Bully Ray v Jeff Hardy TLC Match for the World Title
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Please check in on the master NTWT WM Spreasheet in the 1st post of this thread.Section 109F checking in
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Trish vs Mickie was probably the best diva storyline wwe ever wrote, and this moment right here was so
She had the crowd in the palm of her hand after that, and punk ***** vince edited it out of the dvd, after all the filthy stuff he put on tv thats where he draws the line?!
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4w-When are you going to post up the 2013 PPV contest results list?
I can't find the entire match but this is good enough.
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Angle vs Guerrero WM 20
Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WM 20
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Benoit vs HHH vs HBK WM 20
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6 Rings G.O.A.T.
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Here's what you missed in a nutshell.
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Wrestlemania X8.... was it always the plan for Hall & Nash to jump Hogan post match or was that done on the fly after seeing how over Hogan was with the crowd?
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Trish vs Mickie was probably the best diva storyline wwe ever wrote, and this moment right here was so
She had the crowd in the palm of her hand after that, and punk ***** vince edited it out of the dvd, after all the filthy stuff he put on tv thats where he draws the line?!
Them **** was ready to leap out that shirt
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wooohooo wrestlemania!
maybe i can find something cheap on stubhub this weekend? lol
prob. gonna sit home and watch as always.. regardless, hope it's a fun show.
maybe i can find something cheap on stubhub this weekend? lol
prob. gonna sit home and watch as always.. regardless, hope it's a fun show.
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WrestleMania 29 Preview from Bryan Alvarez WITH Current Time Estimates from WWE for Each Match
The WrestleMania line-up is virtually complete (I expect a few minor changes are possible and maybe an added match, but everything else is locked in stone) and here is the preview:
One hour pre-show: They've got one match scheduled, Wade Barrett vs. Miz. What they're doing for the rest of the hour is unknown, likely tons of video packages. With 60 minutes, they may add a US Title match with Antonio Cesaro since it's a crime he's not on the card. The one-hour pre-show, by the way, means it's a five-hour show for the live crowd (PPV is four hours), outside in likely 48-degree weather.
Tons of Funk (Tensai & Brodus Clay & Naomi & Cameron) vs. Team Rhodes Scholars (Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow) & Bella Twins in an eight-person tag. This is scheduled for eight minutes. It's WrestleMania so presumably the good guys win and then dance. Should be OK.
Chris Jericho vs. Fandango. At press time this was scheduled for ten minutes. All times aren't counting entrances. This is a big match for Fandango as he's a Vince McMahon project, he's getting pushed hard, this is his wrestling debut, and he needs to have a good match. Jericho is the best possible opponent but it's unlikely they can steal the show with ten minutes. Hopefully will be as good a ten-minute match as can be had. Jericho is likely leaving so Fandango should win, though Jericho has been beaten up a million times prior to the show so maybe he'll win at Mania and then Fandango could beat him on Raw before a far-bigger audience. No way Fandango should lose in his debut, however, especially if Jericho is leaving.
Brock Lesnar vs. HHH. This could be the show-stealer. They're being given 20 to 30 minutes, so they'll have time, plus Shawn Michaels will be out there for a big spot near the finish and Brock always gets a great reaction. The big question is the finish. Everyone expected Paul Heyman to interfere and get thwarted, and then Shawn hits the superkick and Hunter hits the pedigree for the pin. But that's a two-on-one babyface screwing the heel finish, which they may not want to do since they don't want Brock as a babyface. Whatever they do they have to keep him strong because the plan is Brock vs. Rock at Mania next year, and with that being the plan, Brock shouldn't lose and if he does they have to protect him. At press time HHH was planned to win, and while that could change, I don't expect it.
Team Hell No vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E. Langston for the tag titles. There was talk over the weekend of adding AJ and Kaitlyn to the match and making it a six-person with all the titles on the line. That wouldn't surprise me because they apparently have decided it's time to push the heels strong, and I can see a situation where they end up with the World, Tag and Divas titles all within the stable. They are giving this 12 to 15 minutes.
Ryback vs. Mark Henry. These guys haven't gotten great reviews for their house show matches. Maybe the big MetLife Stadium will be right place right time for them to do battle to a great reaction, or maybe it will flop. Either way, they're being given 12 minutes (!!!) and that sounds like way too long. This is designed to give Ryback his big powerful WrestleMania moment.
Sheamus & Randy Orton & Big Show vs. Shield. At one point the babyfaces were scheduled to win, but that's been changed. What makes the most sense is Orton and maybe Big Show turning on Sheamus. They could do it in the body of the match (I see a situation where Sheamus is about to Brogue kick one of the heels with Orton and Big Show cheering him on, exactly like on Smackdown, but as he's running across the ring he gets punched by Show into an RKO by Orton leading to the finish), or they could have the heels pin Orton clean and then he snaps and goes crazy. They could also swerve it up a bit by having the babyfaces win, then the turn and angle happens before the larger Raw viewing audience. I wouldn't beat the Shield yet. This is being given 15 minutes.
Undertaker vs. CM Punk. This is being given 20 minutes. I don't expect a ****3/4 Undertaker WrestleMania match as he's had for years now, but it should be fine. The storyline building it up has sucked, and nothing they've done has led me or anyone else to thing Punk has any chance of winning. And he doesn't unless they've completely lost their minds. For whatever it's worth, WWE approached Paul Bearer's sons about the angle on Raw, and one of them, Mike, has publicly stated that the angle they presented to him was one he approved of, but the one they actually did on TV has him shaking his head.
Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger. This one is interesting. The Swagger character really only has one guy to feud with, Del Rio, so this program has to continue for a while. I originally thought all the way through SummerSlam, but it's not getting over like that kind of long-term program, plus Ziggler has to cash in before SummerSlam and take the title, so that kind of ruins the title aspect of the program. Many ways they could go. Ziggler might not be involved at all and Swagger wins the title to lead to a rematch at Extreme Rules (original plan). Or Del Rio could win and they could set up a rematch with him just defending. Or either guy could win and Ziggler could take the title out of the program and the program could continue. One way or another, whatever they're doing, the plan is to try to get Del Rio over as a Latin superhero, so he'll get the win in the end. This is booked for 15 minutes.
Rock vs. Cena for the WWE title. This is being booked for 25 to 30 minutes. The whole idea was for Rock to put over Cena for the title in the big WrestleMania rematch, but since everyone knows that it could change. Rock is being booked for Extreme Rules (as is Brock, which is interesting since their paychecks are so high that it makes it almost impossible for a B-show to make any real money with both working on the card), so conceivably he could beat Cena again at Mania and then Cena could, I don't know, put his career on the line for the rematch at Extreme Rules (although with HHH putting his career on the line on this show that seems like overkill, plus if there is concern that people know the finish it's not like anyone will believe Cena isn't winning at Extreme Rules). This storyline just hasn't clicked this year, largely because it's built around Cena talking about how his career went off the rails after he lost to Rock last year, and the reality is that the first thing he did after losing to Rock was beat Brock Lesnar clean, then he won every single match of 2013 in main events except for the ones where he was blatantly screwed versus Punk. Fans, to me, have to see storylines happen before their own eyes, not be told something happened when they saw everything go do and, in fact, that isn't what happened. Cena will probably be booed mightily, although you never know how New York fans will react. In the end, most likely the AA finish clean in the middle. Hopefully it's a good match and Rock doesn't get too tired.
They've also scheduled eight minutes for a Diddy performance; seven minutes for the Hall of Fame ceremony where everyone is brought out on stage to wave; seven minutes for the pyro and National Anthem to open up the show; and 10 minutes for assorted segments throughout the show.
The WrestleMania line-up is virtually complete (I expect a few minor changes are possible and maybe an added match, but everything else is locked in stone) and here is the preview:
One hour pre-show: They've got one match scheduled, Wade Barrett vs. Miz. What they're doing for the rest of the hour is unknown, likely tons of video packages. With 60 minutes, they may add a US Title match with Antonio Cesaro since it's a crime he's not on the card. The one-hour pre-show, by the way, means it's a five-hour show for the live crowd (PPV is four hours), outside in likely 48-degree weather.
Tons of Funk (Tensai & Brodus Clay & Naomi & Cameron) vs. Team Rhodes Scholars (Cody Rhodes & Damien Sandow) & Bella Twins in an eight-person tag. This is scheduled for eight minutes. It's WrestleMania so presumably the good guys win and then dance. Should be OK.
Chris Jericho vs. Fandango. At press time this was scheduled for ten minutes. All times aren't counting entrances. This is a big match for Fandango as he's a Vince McMahon project, he's getting pushed hard, this is his wrestling debut, and he needs to have a good match. Jericho is the best possible opponent but it's unlikely they can steal the show with ten minutes. Hopefully will be as good a ten-minute match as can be had. Jericho is likely leaving so Fandango should win, though Jericho has been beaten up a million times prior to the show so maybe he'll win at Mania and then Fandango could beat him on Raw before a far-bigger audience. No way Fandango should lose in his debut, however, especially if Jericho is leaving.
Brock Lesnar vs. HHH. This could be the show-stealer. They're being given 20 to 30 minutes, so they'll have time, plus Shawn Michaels will be out there for a big spot near the finish and Brock always gets a great reaction. The big question is the finish. Everyone expected Paul Heyman to interfere and get thwarted, and then Shawn hits the superkick and Hunter hits the pedigree for the pin. But that's a two-on-one babyface screwing the heel finish, which they may not want to do since they don't want Brock as a babyface. Whatever they do they have to keep him strong because the plan is Brock vs. Rock at Mania next year, and with that being the plan, Brock shouldn't lose and if he does they have to protect him. At press time HHH was planned to win, and while that could change, I don't expect it.
Team Hell No vs. Dolph Ziggler & Big E. Langston for the tag titles. There was talk over the weekend of adding AJ and Kaitlyn to the match and making it a six-person with all the titles on the line. That wouldn't surprise me because they apparently have decided it's time to push the heels strong, and I can see a situation where they end up with the World, Tag and Divas titles all within the stable. They are giving this 12 to 15 minutes.
Ryback vs. Mark Henry. These guys haven't gotten great reviews for their house show matches. Maybe the big MetLife Stadium will be right place right time for them to do battle to a great reaction, or maybe it will flop. Either way, they're being given 12 minutes (!!!) and that sounds like way too long. This is designed to give Ryback his big powerful WrestleMania moment.
Sheamus & Randy Orton & Big Show vs. Shield. At one point the babyfaces were scheduled to win, but that's been changed. What makes the most sense is Orton and maybe Big Show turning on Sheamus. They could do it in the body of the match (I see a situation where Sheamus is about to Brogue kick one of the heels with Orton and Big Show cheering him on, exactly like on Smackdown, but as he's running across the ring he gets punched by Show into an RKO by Orton leading to the finish), or they could have the heels pin Orton clean and then he snaps and goes crazy. They could also swerve it up a bit by having the babyfaces win, then the turn and angle happens before the larger Raw viewing audience. I wouldn't beat the Shield yet. This is being given 15 minutes.
Undertaker vs. CM Punk. This is being given 20 minutes. I don't expect a ****3/4 Undertaker WrestleMania match as he's had for years now, but it should be fine. The storyline building it up has sucked, and nothing they've done has led me or anyone else to thing Punk has any chance of winning. And he doesn't unless they've completely lost their minds. For whatever it's worth, WWE approached Paul Bearer's sons about the angle on Raw, and one of them, Mike, has publicly stated that the angle they presented to him was one he approved of, but the one they actually did on TV has him shaking his head.
Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger. This one is interesting. The Swagger character really only has one guy to feud with, Del Rio, so this program has to continue for a while. I originally thought all the way through SummerSlam, but it's not getting over like that kind of long-term program, plus Ziggler has to cash in before SummerSlam and take the title, so that kind of ruins the title aspect of the program. Many ways they could go. Ziggler might not be involved at all and Swagger wins the title to lead to a rematch at Extreme Rules (original plan). Or Del Rio could win and they could set up a rematch with him just defending. Or either guy could win and Ziggler could take the title out of the program and the program could continue. One way or another, whatever they're doing, the plan is to try to get Del Rio over as a Latin superhero, so he'll get the win in the end. This is booked for 15 minutes.
Rock vs. Cena for the WWE title. This is being booked for 25 to 30 minutes. The whole idea was for Rock to put over Cena for the title in the big WrestleMania rematch, but since everyone knows that it could change. Rock is being booked for Extreme Rules (as is Brock, which is interesting since their paychecks are so high that it makes it almost impossible for a B-show to make any real money with both working on the card), so conceivably he could beat Cena again at Mania and then Cena could, I don't know, put his career on the line for the rematch at Extreme Rules (although with HHH putting his career on the line on this show that seems like overkill, plus if there is concern that people know the finish it's not like anyone will believe Cena isn't winning at Extreme Rules). This storyline just hasn't clicked this year, largely because it's built around Cena talking about how his career went off the rails after he lost to Rock last year, and the reality is that the first thing he did after losing to Rock was beat Brock Lesnar clean, then he won every single match of 2013 in main events except for the ones where he was blatantly screwed versus Punk. Fans, to me, have to see storylines happen before their own eyes, not be told something happened when they saw everything go do and, in fact, that isn't what happened. Cena will probably be booed mightily, although you never know how New York fans will react. In the end, most likely the AA finish clean in the middle. Hopefully it's a good match and Rock doesn't get too tired.
They've also scheduled eight minutes for a Diddy performance; seven minutes for the Hall of Fame ceremony where everyone is brought out on stage to wave; seven minutes for the pyro and National Anthem to open up the show; and 10 minutes for assorted segments throughout the show.
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Gonna have this fool sign my winged eagle belt on Sunday morning, my body is beyond ready
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Does anyone else besides me think the wwe title match ends in controversy with no title change setting up some sort of gimmick match at extreme rules.
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I agree that Fandangoooooo should win but I really hope before his departure for good, they give Jericho a serious WWE Champ run..
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I just watched this lack luster raw on my dvr... This build is horrible..
I have 2 elevated floor seats available for mania for face value if anybody is interested. 650.00 each.
Wish punk would have pulled a Kama Mustafa and turned the urn into a gold necklace or something and flaunted that around instead of this cheap looking urn..
Hate that the wwe is like the nfl now and so worried about concussions that we have to believe Punk hitting taker in the arm with an urn is hurting him. We need head shots lol.
I have 2 elevated floor seats available for mania for face value if anybody is interested. 650.00 each.
Wish punk would have pulled a Kama Mustafa and turned the urn into a gold necklace or something and flaunted that around instead of this cheap looking urn..
Hate that the wwe is like the nfl now and so worried about concussions that we have to believe Punk hitting taker in the arm with an urn is hurting him. We need head shots lol.
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I could see a rematch at Extreme Rules, but I don't see the main event of WrestleMania ending with no finish.
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Random Thoughts:
1. Why isn't Orton on top of the company right now in your opinion? Just talking to some folks, we think he could be a SUPER heel
2. I hate Sheamus. But he should be a super heel too.
3. I would like to see Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk, and Brock all be under Paul E Dangerously and form a Modern Day Heenan Family.
Let me say one more thing.
I said this about a month ago but after going to another live event, I am fully BACK into the wrestling world.
NT, yall helped me come back as a fan man. I am not sure if I would be watching wrestling if it weren't for the weekly threads from 4W and the crew. This is where I belong. Wrestling is home for me.
1. Why isn't Orton on top of the company right now in your opinion? Just talking to some folks, we think he could be a SUPER heel
2. I hate Sheamus. But he should be a super heel too.
3. I would like to see Dolph Ziggler, CM Punk, and Brock all be under Paul E Dangerously and form a Modern Day Heenan Family.
Let me say one more thing.
I said this about a month ago but after going to another live event, I am fully BACK into the wrestling world.
NT, yall helped me come back as a fan man. I am not sure if I would be watching wrestling if it weren't for the weekly threads from 4W and the crew. This is where I belong. Wrestling is home for me.
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lobotomybeats
Supporter
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This is one of my favorite WM moments that rarely gets a mention. Start around the 2:35 minute mark. Watch how badly Andre misses when he slaps Heenan. Hilarious
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Always will respect Austin for doing this match even with what happen to him the day before and letting Rock go over the way he did. You can tell these dudes got a lot of respect for each other. I can't think of anybody else off the top Austin would let go over after three of their finishers in a row.
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Not even mad at this actually. These dudes always put on a good match and he should go out facing him.
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For anyone who hasn't seen The Mania of WrestleMania documentary (on the WM XX boxset), it's a must watch.
