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Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Really the create life argument? With that logic women or men who can not have children shouldn't be allowed to get married either right? I mean why get in a relationship/marriage if you not creating life?
"According to some" is not according to ALL. You should see where that argument fails from the jump.
Originally Posted by sillyputty
I have no problem with polygamy honestly as long as they're consenting adults...even though it would be legally unprecedented and would uproot the tax code...
I have no problem with incest as long as they're consenting adults and know the heightened genetic risks.
I have a problem with bestiality as other species have no verifiable way of granting consent.
BUT...Gays can't do ANY of these things.
which is ultimately why I don't understand the concept of marriage in the first place. I'm against ALL forms of marriage because its a stupid concept at the end of the day. Society is moving past it.
gee wiz, i dunno..maybe, juuust maybe he knew he wasn't gonna da same person in society anymore...then again you don't see kim kardashian buying da farm after her sex tape leaked.Originally Posted by millionuppercuts
Ninjahood, +%* does a man throwing himself off a bridge because of the shame he had from filming a sextape with another man have to do with anything?
What is a fact? Procreation has nothing to do with marriage. You can create life without being married. Those ppl, whoever they are, that according to some is irrelevant.Originally Posted by LDJ
Its not an argument its a fact. Did i agree with it or say it should be a reason why same sex shouldnt get married NO. The guy posted there is no difference when ppl have same sex vs. ppl who are of opposite sex. And there is infact a difference. I didnt say all str8 ppl have sex to create life, what i said is that some do and all homosexual sex is strickly for enjoyment. Its not an argument its simply a fact. So how exactly is that a fail? Unless you can provide evidence where same sex can create life. And some ppl believe it or not that marriage and creating life and having a family is what the basis of having a relationship. That is the og. basis of marriage.Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Really the create life argument? With that logic women or men who can not have children shouldn't be allowed to get married either right? I mean why get in a relationship/marriage if you not creating life?
"According to some" is not according to ALL. You should see where that argument fails from the jump.
Thats all i was saying is thats some ppl stand on why it is wrong. And it isnt a argument its stating facts. whether ppl believe this way because of religion, prejudice ideals, whatever it stills exist.
really? because this started when you called my opinions "hatemonger" but couldn't provide facts and than turned around to saying some dudes might take what i say personal. like really son?Originally Posted by Peep Game
Definitely man. I think I may just start sticking to the women appreciation threads and keep out of these hate haven threads, cause at least inOriginally Posted by brasilianmami
Originally Posted by Peep Game
Whatever makes you feel better. Just remember this thread and many of the responses when you're out in public and someone
pops you in the mouth for saying something that you thought wasn't racist or offensive, just cause you didn't recognize your
own ignorance. Many people aren't as kind and helpful as me to point that out for you.
at some point in their life ignorance will always be corrected (albeit not in the proper fashion) by someone that doesn't have the patience for their nonsense.
i just sit back,, and let the nonsense spew.
i stopped debating with people a long time ago because 90% of people will just regress in the pyramid of proper debate the longer the argument lasts.
no matter what you say or even the facts behind your argument people will continue to believe what they believe no matter how asinine their opinion is.
those threads, everything is truly subjective and opinionated. In these threads, people seem to avoid facts presented to them and pass their
opinions off of the truth, however ignorant and nonfactual their opinions may be.
Originally Posted by a55a5in11
really? because this started when you called my opinions "hatemonger" but couldn't provide facts and than turned around to saying some dudes might take what i say personal. like really son?Originally Posted by Peep Game
Definitely man. I think I may just start sticking to the women appreciation threads and keep out of these hate haven threads, cause at least inOriginally Posted by brasilianmami
at some point in their life ignorance will always be corrected (albeit not in the proper fashion) by someone that doesn't have the patience for their nonsense.
i just sit back,, and let the nonsense spew.
i stopped debating with people a long time ago because 90% of people will just regress in the pyramid of proper debate the longer the argument lasts.
no matter what you say or even the facts behind your argument people will continue to believe what they believe no matter how asinine their opinion is.
those threads, everything is truly subjective and opinionated. In these threads, people seem to avoid facts presented to them and pass their
opinions off of the truth, however ignorant and nonfactual their opinions may be.
This is how I feel about it: I think homosexuals should have the same rights as anyone else and if they want to get married etc that's fine by me as it's not my job to tell them how to live their life. I know and have hung out with gay people many times and I treat them with the same respect I would anyone else.Originally Posted by hugebird
I imagine that people that are "disgusted" by homosexuality aren't going to turn away in disgust if they see two beautiful girls going at it.Originally Posted by devildog1776
i find it to be disgusting ..... i believe that homosexuality should be ignored... if your gay , so what. I dont care for their supposed rights or desires. It means nothing to me.
If they want to marry go ahead.... Im not religious so the act wouldnt bother me.... If they do decide to get married i think they shouldnt be allowed to be divorced.
It aint like them getting married will stop my P flow or turn me gay... i just find it disturbing that gays always want to promote being gay while straight people just live straight...
Once again, I am having trouble figuring out if people are being sincere or trolling, because I seriously don't believe that anyone can be earnest and have this line of thought.
Originally Posted by throwedyonasb
yall dudes gettin real hurt over opinions
race is not equal to sexuality... i hate these dudes pointing minority rights like its the same thing.
my take on the whole situation : i really dont care, nor do i have hope for this country. i dont give a *@!+ what these fools marry now. @%#% they can get with bambi for all i care.
legalize weed and leave me the hell alone. gays/******s yall can marry each other. if your attracted to animals, go find a significant other at the spca. if your down to get down with your pops, get your johnson on..
i dont care anymore.
i just woke up and started typing whatever i feltOriginally Posted by DCAllAmerican
Originally Posted by devildog1776
If they want to marry go ahead.... Im not religious so the act wouldnt bother me.... If they do decide to get married i think they shouldnt be allowed to be divorced.
Huh?
Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT
Not even going to get into everything being spoken about but I do NOT believe 100% of homosexuals were born that way.
Example...some of those Penn State accusers are homosexual. You really think that @%++ that was going on at 7,8,9 years old didn't have ANYTHING to do with that?
Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
Originally Posted by throwedyonasb
yall dudes gettin real hurt over opinions
race is not equal to sexuality... i hate these dudes pointing minority rights like its the same thing.
my take on the whole situation : i really dont care, nor do i have hope for this country. i dont give a *@!+ what these fools marry now. @%#% they can get with bambi for all i care.
legalize weed and leave me the hell alone. gays/******s yall can marry each other. if your attracted to animals, go find a significant other at the spca. if your down to get down with your pops, get your johnson on..
i dont care anymore.
This.
Pls do not the tarnish legacies of the late Dr. King, X, Parks, etc with this nonsense.
Race is visible. Sexual orientation is as visible as you want to make it. End of discussion.
What's funny to me is that in a little over 1 generation black folks have forgotten what it means to be discriminated against....Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
Originally Posted by throwedyonasb
yall dudes gettin real hurt over opinions
race is not equal to sexuality... i hate these dudes pointing minority rights like its the same thing.
my take on the whole situation : i really dont care, nor do i have hope for this country. i dont give a *@!+ what these fools marry now. @%#% they can get with bambi for all i care.
legalize weed and leave me the hell alone. gays/******s yall can marry each other. if your attracted to animals, go find a significant other at the spca. if your down to get down with your pops, get your johnson on..
i dont care anymore.
This.
Pls do not the tarnish legacies of the late Dr. King, X, Parks, etc with this nonsense.
Race is visible. Sexual orientation is as visible as you want to make it. End of discussion.
I'm with you. I don't believe it's one way or the other. I just find it ridiculous when people completely dismiss the notion that someone can be conditioned or choose to be that way.Originally Posted by AZwildcats
Originally Posted by DIOR PAINT
Not even going to get into everything being spoken about but I do NOT believe 100% of homosexuals were born that way.
Example...some of those Penn State accusers are homosexual. You really think that @%++ that was going on at 7,8,9 years old didn't have ANYTHING to do with that?
I know people like to say people are or arent born gay, but there is no proof either way. Pro-gay activists point towards a study of the difference in the hypothalamus of gay boys compared to straight boys in 1991 by Dr. LaVey (an openly gay scientist). This study has been proven to have "technical flaws" and "inaccurate results". He himself said it wasn't supposed to prove being gay is innate and genetic.
I'm sure that hormone imbalances at an embryonic stage causes some men to have sexual differentiation events in terms of their orientation, but it hasnt been proven yet. To me it makes more sense that enviromental factors are more immediate causes for a change in orientation.
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
What is a fact? Procreation has nothing to do with marriage. You can create life without being married. Those ppl, whoever they are, that according to some is irrelevant.Originally Posted by LDJ
Its not an argument its a fact. Did i agree with it or say it should be a reason why same sex shouldnt get married NO. The guy posted there is no difference when ppl have same sex vs. ppl who are of opposite sex. And there is infact a difference. I didnt say all str8 ppl have sex to create life, what i said is that some do and all homosexual sex is strickly for enjoyment. Its not an argument its simply a fact. So how exactly is that a fail? Unless you can provide evidence where same sex can create life. And some ppl believe it or not that marriage and creating life and having a family is what the basis of having a relationship. That is the og. basis of marriage.Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
Really the create life argument? With that logic women or men who can not have children shouldn't be allowed to get married either right? I mean why get in a relationship/marriage if you not creating life?
"According to some" is not according to ALL. You should see where that argument fails from the jump.
Thats all i was saying is thats some ppl stand on why it is wrong. And it isnt a argument its stating facts. whether ppl believe this way because of religion, prejudice ideals, whatever it stills exist.
BEING ABLE TO PROCREATE IS NOT A PREREQUISITE FOR MARRIAGE.
You just saying things now. It's not a point. A man and woman can create life, that's a fact but it has nothing to do with this topic.
What you're saying has nothing to do with the topic at all.
Agreed with the exception of the malcolm comment, not that it matters but im not sure of him being bi-sexual. This was alledged and has no absolute truths to it. Manning Marable who states this in his biography which i have read, only evidence of alledged he say she say. Almost on some i heard a friend who said that they heard that kinda deal. In those cases i tend not to take it as a absolute truth.Originally Posted by foxdawg2000
What's funny to me is that in a little over 1 generation black folks have forgotten what it means to be discriminated against....Originally Posted by ThrowedInDaGame
Originally Posted by throwedyonasb
yall dudes gettin real hurt over opinions
race is not equal to sexuality... i hate these dudes pointing minority rights like its the same thing.
my take on the whole situation : i really dont care, nor do i have hope for this country. i dont give a *@!+ what these fools marry now. @%#% they can get with bambi for all i care.
legalize weed and leave me the hell alone. gays/******s yall can marry each other. if your attracted to animals, go find a significant other at the spca. if your down to get down with your pops, get your johnson on..
i dont care anymore.
This.
Pls do not the tarnish legacies of the late Dr. King, X, Parks, etc with this nonsense.
Race is visible. Sexual orientation is as visible as you want to make it. End of discussion.
I'm not making a case that marriage is a wonderful thing.. I'm making the case that all people should be aloud to take that step if desired..
I can make 3 bets about this^ guy
1) The majority of individuals who are against gay rights identify themselves are a certain religion or faith and admittedly or not that is the reason behind their Stigma vs homosexuals (christian, muslim etc) He is one of these...
2) he's obsessed with talking down on homosexual relations but would never acknowledge that his "hero" Malcolm X had homosexual relations numerous times in his life..admittedly, and even served as a gay prostitute.. (does that make him less of a man? )
3) MLK was a repeated adulterer and by traditional Christian standards was a horrible husband.. He lied and cheated on Coretta numerous times ... Do I respect his work any less? Not at all, but as a married man he was terrible...
So are you championing heterosexual marriage because it is the christian norm or because it is proven to be more perfect? Marriage failures are at an all time high nationally and most black children are born out of wedlock.. Marriage and procreation synonymous, I think not... You of all people should know this because you speak so highly of "black" leaders I'd think you had a feel of the pulse "your people"...
Just helping you with your history)
I think topics like this should be discussed, banning them isn't going to solve anything.Originally Posted by beh235
I only read the first page to know where this was going to go.. I don't think a place like NT can handle such issues. Yeah, there is some lessons learned here, but on the whole, where do topics like this get us? No one learns a damn thing and a lot of people act like meatheads. That faction of people are allowed their opinion and that's fine, I respect it. But for the most part, their analogies are misguided and not valid. I'm begging the mods to please ban any topic dealing with race, sexuality, religion etc. Not in the sense of censoring those who want to express their views, but for the sake of learning anything and enlightenment. You can argue, "then don't read the thread"; and I do not read every single thread pertaining to this. However, every time I do decide to read a topic of this nature, it gets out of hand very quickly and it contains a lot of finger pointing as well as snarky, racist and/or sexist remarks. I know the majority of NT members are young, but some of you still have a lot to learn and apparently this isn't the place for people to gain any type of positive perspective. So mods, please amend your rules to ban this nonsense. I'd like to think the NT community is better than this.
Originally Posted by beh235
I only read the first page to know where this was going to go.. I don't think a place like NT can handle such issues. Yeah, there is some lessons learned here, but on the whole, where do topics like this get us? No one learns a damn thing and a lot of people act like meatheads. That faction of people are allowed their opinion and that's fine, I respect it. But for the most part, their analogies are misguided and not valid. I'm begging the mods to please ban any topic dealing with race, sexuality, religion etc. Not in the sense of censoring those who want to express their views, but for the sake of learning anything and enlightenment. You can argue, "then don't read the thread"; and I do not read every single thread pertaining to this. However, every time I do decide to read a topic of this nature, it gets out of hand very quickly and it contains a lot of finger pointing as well as snarky, racist and/or sexist remarks. I know the majority of NT members are young, but some of you still have a lot to learn and apparently this isn't the place for people to gain any type of positive perspective. So mods, please amend your rules to ban this nonsense. I'd like to think the NT community is better than this.
We're not discussing homosexual sex though. You keep picking out trivial things trying to belittle homosexuality in it's entirety. Some ppl think archaic, some ppl don't. I'm not getting where your point is going. Whoever said sex for gay and straight ppl are obviously trolling. They'd have to be.Originally Posted by LDJ
never said it was. all i stated was is that some ppl believe and historically its been that date-marry-family. and i also stated that for fact that homosexual sex is nothing more then for personal gratification and enjoyment only. my response was to the person who said same sex and hetero sex is the same. i simply said the reasons for why both have sex arent the same.Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ
What is a fact? Procreation has nothing to do with marriage. You can create life without being married. Those ppl, whoever they are, that according to some is irrelevant.Originally Posted by LDJ
Its not an argument its a fact. Did i agree with it or say it should be a reason why same sex shouldnt get married NO. The guy posted there is no difference when ppl have same sex vs. ppl who are of opposite sex. And there is infact a difference. I didnt say all str8 ppl have sex to create life, what i said is that some do and all homosexual sex is strickly for enjoyment. Its not an argument its simply a fact. So how exactly is that a fail? Unless you can provide evidence where same sex can create life. And some ppl believe it or not that marriage and creating life and having a family is what the basis of having a relationship. That is the og. basis of marriage.
Thats all i was saying is thats some ppl stand on why it is wrong. And it isnt a argument its stating facts. whether ppl believe this way because of religion, prejudice ideals, whatever it stills exist.
BEING ABLE TO PROCREATE IS NOT A PREREQUISITE FOR MARRIAGE.
You just saying things now. It's not a point. A man and woman can create life, that's a fact but it has nothing to do with this topic.
What you're saying has nothing to do with the topic at all.
to be honest half of everything discussed the last 5-10 pages has nothing to do with the topic to be quite honest. It went from homosexuals acceptance and its overemphasis in the media, to is it morally right, to civil right movements, to all sorts of topics.