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[wavycrocket]

2 ends of the extreme of the basketball talk spectrum today.

Skip Bayless-Esque hot takes & the "Numbers say" hot takes.

It's been a productive day.

 

[JD617]

bro did u even watch?

Andre Igudala and Draymond green were th best players both years.....

its about impact on the game. Dood had minimal impact on the series....

he got bullied, plain and simple.

Dude, many of Iggy's shots in 2015 were with no one in the same area code. Why? Because of Curry's gravity. Cleveland played way up on him which allowed Dray the space to either make a play for himself or dish to Iggy, Klay, Barnes, etc. He had a massive impact on the series even when he wasn't scoring.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

i mean dont get mad because i dont see it like you do.....

relax fam, not everyone going to see eye to eye.

I see yall, and I just dont agree, I think yall wilding and yall think im wilding.

It is what it is, thats why we come on here

 

[SORIANOTRON]

I mean say what you want, but curry disappeared in both finals...true or false?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

What other all nba player/Mvps aren't even all stars 20 years ago? I'm legit intrigued to hear this now

 

[SORIANOTRON]

from this years ASG....

Kyle Lowry
Chris Bosh
Paul Millsap
Jimmy Butler
Andre Drummond
Isaiah Thomas
Al Horford
Stephen Curry
Anthony Davis
Draymond Green
Klay Thomspn

MVP's Im not sure Dirk, Nash and Rose would have been

I want to say nash would have been just as gritty back then, but damn being white back then was like having a target on your back

 

[lawdog1]

What other all nba player/Mvps aren't even all stars 20 years ago? I'm legit intrigued to hear this now

Your 2015-2106 All NBA 1st Team Center DeAndre Jordan. Hell, DJ isn't even an all-star now. Just all-NBA and all-defense.

 

[wavycrocket]

from this years ASG....

Kyle Lowry
Chris Bosh
Paul Millsap
Jimmy Butler
Andre Drummond
Isaiah Thomas
Al Horford
Stephen Curry
Anthony Davis
Draymond Green
Klay Thomspn

Steph & AD are generational talents. So stop there. Chris Bosh is a Hall of Famer. Klay already is better than Reggie Miller ever was. Dray is a better version of Anthony Mason...who was an all star.

The rest of them ***** are fringe all stars from the East. They don't count .

You can go to any NBA year and pull up borderline all stars that were "stars" because of circumstance. Any year. It's ugly in the early 00s.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Where was AD this year?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Your 2015-2106 All NBA 1st Team Center DeAndre Jordan. Hell, DJ isn't even an all-star now. Just all-NBA and all-defense.

Dj would have statues built of him if he played 20 years ago

 

[SORIANOTRON]

some doods have a good 2,3, 4, 5, years hell some even have 6 good years......let alone 10+ dominating.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

Alot of 7 footers back then, real 7 footers.....Dj would be food....my mans has minimal post game....

dwight might have more moves on the post

 

[wavycrocket]

At least with awwsome 's extreme hot takes...you can cede points here and there...and some can be argued. Albeit still wrong.

SORIANOTRON brand of hot takes are grounded in absolutely nothing but false narratives and "back in my day" nonsense.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

BIll Walton eats DJ for a pre-grateful dead concert snack

 

[SORIANOTRON]

hey call em what you want, but they are my own and I stick by em.


You think Im wrong, I think your wrong...so whos really wrong?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

I forget that 20 years ago is still the 90s lmao

I'm sitting here thinking we talking the 60s and ****

Steph wouldn't be an all star in 1996??? Wut in the entire ****

Dj wouldn't be no he wouldn't

 

[SORIANOTRON]

yeah me 2...**** 20 years....30 years*

70's and 80's

nahh no gripes with steph in the 90's

 

[lawdog1]

Dj would have statues built of him if he played 20 years ago

You know 20 years ago was 1996, right? Still had Prime Shaq, David Robinson, Hakeem, Mutombo and Mourning playing in 1996. DJ is not better than any of them.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

I mean DJ isnt a great offensive player or anything....

 

[wavycrocket]

Im still not ok with DJ being first team all NBA....as well as:

Jimmy Butler
Kyler Lowry
DJ
Harrison Barnes
Demar Derozen

Being on the Olympic team. The rest of the world need to catch up and make things intersting. I wanna see the big guns out again.

 

[lawdog1]

I forget that 20 years ago is still the 90s lmao

I'm sitting here thinking we talking the 60s and ****

Steph wouldn't be an all star in 1996??? Wut in the entire ****

Dj wouldn't be no he wouldn't

Ah. Now your DJ statue comment makes sense.

 

[krispacinla]

DJ is a solid big, but not great by any stretch of the imagination. solid 10/10/3 guy.

 

[awwsome]

DJ is definitely great in todays game, elite even.

Not in the 90's but it's 2016 so who gives a ****?

 

[lawdog1]

As someone who has seen probably 85 percent of the games DJ's has ever played in the NBA, and who acknowledges that he's light years better than I ever thought he would be, I feel he's become a bit overrated. There are certain things he does very well, like finish at the rim, rebound, hedge on pick-and-rolls and get blocks coming from the weak side. But he's pretty average as an on-ball defender and we all know about his offensive limitations. The good does not always outweigh the bad.

Great as DJ's numbers are, I still feel like he could be replaced by another serviceable center and there wouldn't be much drop off for the Clippers, provided all the other players stayed the same.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad we have him. But I wasn't going to be heartbroken if he wound up somewhere else last Summer.

 

[wavycrocket]

As someone who has seen probably 85 percent of the games DJ's has ever played in the NBA, and who acknowledges that he's light years better than I ever thought he would be, I feel he's become a bit overrated. There are certain things he does very well, like finish at the rim, rebound, hedge on pick-and-rolls and get blocks coming from the weak side. But he's pretty average as an on-ball defender and we all know about his offensive limitations. The good does not always outweigh the bad.

Great as DJ's numbers are, I still feel like he could be replaced by another serviceable center and there wouldn't be much drop off for the Clippers, provided all the other players stayed the same.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad we have him. But I wasn't going to be heartbroken if he wound up somewhere else last Summer.

Since I've become a clips fan....I've felt the same way. It's been discussed in the thread. He's improved a lil as on on all defender (before ShoeKing comes in here )

But yeah...when you watch him closely....You come away with the same feeling.