THEE OFFICIAL 2019-2020 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD: VICTORY LAP

[king j]

Idek what you mean by “******”. But crack cocaine is in your system earlier than usual this week.

Again, you ain’t say nun but some laughing emojis, and “your side” stuff lol. **** goofy.

Y’all arguing semantics about “Finals MVPs Added” on the very same Championships added mess y’all complain about on the a daily so damn right ima laugh at it and post emojis now move around lil man

 

[MVP]

*****s acting like Steph in the 2018 finals...wasn’t averaging 30ppg over the first 2 games...being up 2-0. While KD struggled in game 1 (8-22, getting cooked by Bron). Then he had a quiet good game in the same game 2, that Steph hit 9 3’s (nba finals record). And the talk at the time was Steph having a better series. Then KD went nuts, and closed out the series with a stellar game 3. While Steph struggled mightily in that game. And it was a 3-0 series.

That’s the context that’s missing.

Game 4 was a formality. KD with a cool trip doub. Steph with a cool 37. To act like that didn’t happen, is weird.

But y’all get real weird about ole Chef, so I get it

Lol, I acknowledged that 'context' that doesn't explain how he was better than KD though. And we going to acknowledged of them trying to force feed Steph in G4 in that blowout to get his numbers up?

 

[B Sox]

Y'all just can't be fine with Curry being a great player. Always gotta say some goofy extra ****.

 

[wavycrocket]

Y’all arguing semantics about “Finals MVPs Added” on the very same Championships added mess y’all complain about on the a daily so damn right ima laugh at it and post emojis now move around lil man

. Ain’t nobody arguing semantics about finals mvps added. It’s essentially the same argument as LeBron should have been unanimous mvp in 2013...but some idiot gave a vote to Carmelo. Thats the context you’re missing. And you should understand it, if you saw it in that lense. But you won’t. For dumb reasons.

But your blind as hell to see it. Fall back.

 

[lawdog1]

 

[wavycrocket]

Lol, I acknowledged that 'context' that doesn't explain how he was better than KD though. And we going to acknowledged of them trying to force feed Steph in G4 in that blowout to get his numbers up?

I mean...Steph had like 25 through 3 quarters and they were up a ton in game 4 of 2018 . They were def trying to force it to him. The irony is...forcing it to him, helped KD rack up assist, and lock up the FMVp award. They were both great. I think In the overall of a 4 game sweep that really was a formality in 2018...Steph Curry was a lil better than KD.

But what KD did in game 3, of that series is more than enough for
Him to win that award. I’m NOT arguing against that. That game closed the door shut.

See what I’m saying?

 

[storm2006]

Lol, I acknowledged that 'context' that doesn't explain how he was better than KD though. And we going to acknowledged of them trying to force feed Steph in G4 in that blowout to get his numbers up?

Where do you rate Steph Curry on the all-time list for overall players and point guards?

 

[bostoiah]

HIM

I got a 6’9 gurly C build with crazy wingspan. I eat ppl Up on the boards. He’s toxic

 

[wavycrocket]

Steph was better in Game 2 of 2018? Because he took almost twice as many shots?

KD
26/9/7/0/2
71/67/100 shooting splits on 14 FGA
EIGHTY THREE TS%
23 USG%
147 ORTG and 107 DRTG = 30 NET

Curry
33/7/8/1/0
42/53/100 shooting splits on 26 FGA
61 TS%
39 USG%
114 ORTG and 110 DRTG = 4 NET

GOOFY

33/8/7...with 9 out of your 11 shots being made as 3s and 5/5 in the 4th quarter on 3s, is why he was better in game 2.

We watched it real time.

KD was obviously better in game 3. But the first 2 games....of a 2018 Sweep...Steph was the guy.

 

[wavycrocket]

And B Sox be coming in here with that Bill Simmons snark....then talking about people being “extra” when it’s applied back, in a form that he’s not culturally capable of .

Get outta here with the disingenuous **** man.

 

[MVP]

I mean...Steph had like 25 through 3 quarters and they were up a ton in game 4 of 2018 . They were def trying to force it to him. The irony is...forcing it to him, helped KD rack up assist, and lock up the FMVp award. They were both great. I think In the overall of a 4 game sweep that really was a formality in 2018...Steph Curry was a lil better than KD.

But what KD did in game 3, of that series is more than enough for
Him to win that award. I’m NOT arguing against that. That game closed the door shut.

See what I’m saying?

He was only better in G1 tho. As B Sox said KD was better than him in G2. And miles better then him in G3 which would explain why they tried to cheese out for Steph in G4 to give him a chance at the award.

 

[HIM]

HIM

I got a 6’9 gurly C build with crazy wingspan. I eat ppl Up on the boards. He’s toxic

i got a 6’11 walking 20-20 center and I didn’t even build him right. Re-making him with some more finishing badges so I can really eat. I got a new 6’8 Interior force PF that I’m grinding right now. He should be nasty soon

 

[Based Jesus]

WORD

Was gonna bring this up. Advanced stats + win record makes it look like KD needs Steph more than Steph needs KD.
That's not to say KD aint the better player though. He is. He definitely is. But on the same team is he more valuable?

Golden State is plus-14.8 in 672 minutes with Curry, Thompson and Green playing without Durant.

What happens when you also remove Thompson and sit him on the bench next to Durant?

Same result: The Warriors are still juggernauts, registering a plus-13.9 in 526 minutes with Curry and Green on the floor without the help of Durant or Thompson.

Now comes the mind-blowing part -- let's take Draymond out of the equation and leave Curry by himself a cast of role players. No Durant. No Thompson. No Green.

With Curry rolling solo, the Warriors are still plus-14.3 in 216 minutes of action. That’s without the help of an MVP, a former Defensive Player of the Year and perhaps the second-greatest shooter ever not named Stephen Wardell Curry. The offense scores 116.6 points per 100 possessions in these lineups, which would be the league-leading offensive rating this season.

To recap, the Warriors go from plus-16.9 to plus-14.8 to plus-13.9 to plus-14.3 as you keep removing an All-Star from Curry. But as these numbers show, Curry is impervious. He's teammate-agnostic. For those that think Curry would struggle in another organization or in another system, it’s clear: He is the system.

Now, let's take Steph off the floor. What happens when Durant, Thompson and Green go without him? Uh, oh ... plus-4.9 in 591 minutes without Steph. So, you take Durant off the floor and the Warriors are still juggernauts (plus-14.. But you take Curry away from the equation? They go from dominant to merely solid.

The scoreboard with solo Durant: Minus-0.5 in 417 minutes. Yes, a negative point differential. And that makes sense given the loss of starpower, but Curry has shown he doesn’t need others to win.

It gets even more stark when we isolate the Warriors’ four superstars. To fully capture the power of Curry, here’s the scoreboard with each Warriors solo act:

Lineup Net Rating
Solo Steph Plus-14.3

Solo Klay Plus-4.3

Solo KD Minus-0.5

Solo Draymond Minus-2.0

Each one is playing around .500 ball in their minutes -- except Curry. For those that believe Curry wouldn’t be Curry if it weren’t for the stars and system built around him, it’s hard to make a case considering opponents can’t stop him no matter who is flanking him.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...aberstroh/steph-curry-warriors-breaking-point

In their past 29 games in which Curry plays and Durant doesn’t, the Warriors are 28-1. Golden State has outscored opponents by 29 in the 137 minutes this postseason Curry has been without Durant.

With Durant averaging 34.2 points — on pace for the second-highest postseason clip in 25 years (LeBron James averaged 35.3 in 2009) — on 51.3% shooting (41.6% from 3-point range) over their first 11 playoff games, the Warriors posted a net rating of 5.6. That number is 13.2 over their past two outings without Durant.

Asked how Golden State could excel at such a level without Durant, Thompson struggled to answer, pausing before he said, “Honestly, I don’t know. A little luck? A little familiarity with us playing together so long?”

Durant’s recent absence has underscored a curious truth about the Warriors: Although Durant might be the best player in the world, he isn’t their most important.

As Draymond Green put it in November, Curry “isn’t just a big part of the system. He is the system.” His revolutionary range was at the front of Kerr’s mind as he designed Golden State’s offense.

Curry’s presence improves his teammates’ shooting percentages more than anyone else in the NBA. By demanding opponents to defend him 30-plus feet from the rim, Curry creates tons of room for Thompson, Green and others to operate.

Since Durant signed with Golden State in July 2016, it is plus-1.3 per 48 minutes with Durant on the floor and Curry off, a far cry from its plus-12.1 with Curry on the floor and Durant off.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warrior...iors-better-without-Kevin-Durant-13849230.php

 

[MVP]

Where do you rate Steph Curry on the all-time list for overall players and point guards?

16-20 all time (3rd best in his era behind Bron and KD)

Sitting comfortably at #2 on the PG list. But there's a WIDE gap between him and Magic.

 

[B Sox]

Bill Simmons snark

 

[MajinZuub]

THEN NBA THREAD IS BACK! *Magic Johnson voice*

 

[wavycrocket]

He was only better in G1 tho. As B Sox said KD was better than him in G2. And miles better then him in G3 which would explain why they tried to cheese out for Steph in G4 to give him a chance at the award.

I disagree about game 2



The whole game is up on YouTube for real. The game really got out of hand when Steph went crazy. KD was great. If you say that what KD did in game 3, is enough for you to say that he was better than Steph in 2018...I don’t disagree with you.

Personally, I view a series as winning 4 games to send a team home. And whoever was better the majority of those games, had the better series to me. Shrug

 

[clarkkent415]

16-20 all time (3rd best in his era behind Bron and KD)

Sitting comfortably at #2 on the PG list. But there's a WIDE gap between him and Magic.

Besides the obvious greats, who's ahead of him?

 

[storm2006]

16-20 all time (3rd best in his era behind Bron and KD)

Sitting comfortably at #2 on the PG list. But there's a WIDE gap between him and Magic.

That's entirely reasonable. Thank you for your honest answer.

Y'all just can't be fine with Curry being a great player. Always gotta say some goofy extra ****.

Do you disagree with MVP 's assessment of Steph?

 

[B Sox]

16-20 all time (3rd best in his era behind Bron and KD)

Sitting comfortably at #2 on the PG list. But there's a WIDE gap between him and Magic.

Accurate as hell. This doesn't seem good enough for some dudes though.

 

[darthska]

Y'all just can't be fine with Curry being a great player. Always gotta say some goofy extra ****.

I love that this fits both ways, towards Stans and haters.

And not just Curry.

 

[B Sox]

And Curry can definitely move up from that 16-20 too with more success in the coming seasons.

 

[clarkkent415]

Was gonna bring this up. Advanced stats + win record makes it look like KD needs Steph more than Steph needs KD.
That's not to say KD aint the better player though. He is. He definitely is. But on the same team is he more valuable?

I respect it but...

I can't put KD over Steph because the last faced each either, on "one leg," Steph beat KD in a epic WCF.

Also, the Warriors were the WARRIORS when Steph was running the show. KD with that same "overwhelming" arsenal without Steph were just above average.

KD just looks the part due to height but Wardell has been better than the man for quite some time.

 

[clarkkent415]

And Curry can definitely move up from that 16-20 too with more success in the coming seasons.

That ESPN ranking a few months ago was the most accurate IMO, and I can't stand them. But yours is close.

Objectively he's top 10-15 all time IMO.

 

[MVP]

I disagree about game 2



The whole game is up on YouTube for real. The game really got out of hand when Steph went crazy. KD was great. If you say that what KD did in game 3, is enough for you to say that he was better than Steph in 2018...I don’t disagree with you.

Personally, I view a series as winning 4 games to send a team home. And whoever was better the majority of those games, had the better series to me. Shrug

If that's the logic I don't understand the agnst over Iggy winning the 2015 award.

Steph was better in G1 and G5. Iggy was better in G4 and G6 (taking into account offense and defense).