THEE OFFICIAL 2019-2020 NBA OFFSEASON THREAD: VICTORY LAP

[clarkkent415]

Reading doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

Iggy and Steph scored 22 in G4 of the finals
Iggy and Steph scored 25 in G6 of the finals

Hence matching Steph's scoring output in 2 of the 3 games as initially stated.

As for his "nothing defense'
When Iguodala was in the game, LeBron James shot 38.1 percent from the field, scoring 26 points per 36 minutes with 2.9 turnovers. With Iguodala on the bench, James shot 44 percent, averaging 35 points per 36 minutes with 2.2 turnovers. With Iguodala as the primary defender, opponents shot 37.2 percent overall, and he gave up free throws the same percentage of time (10.8 percent) that he forced a turnover, via Synergy Sports. Those are steller defensive numbers.

All EYE know is that Steph's gravity wasn't nearly as effective for Klay, Dray and co in those first 3 games w/o Iggy in that starting lineup. And then all of a sudden it was in the last 3. There was one catalyst that charged. I'm assuming you can guess what that is.

Lol I'm a terrible multi-task-er, my bad, I'm working while looking up stats etc.

James shot 31% from FG in game 2, they won that game. His percentages were affected for sure, but a combination of fatigue contributed to that. Dre's defense wasn't the catalyst for the wins. A major key but not THE reason.

Opportunities were there for Dray, we all know he's not a great shooter. The gravity is all about creating easy, wide open shooting opportunities, not guaranteed made shots.

 

[QU!K]

This years Asterisks FMVP > Steph’s Imaginary FMVP

 

[nick.]

 

[MajinZuub]

He was the catalyst that changed that series, don't see how is debatable.

So you think without his play the Cavs without Love and Kyrie would've won that series? Not trying to be condescending

 

[clarkkent415]

It wasn't just all open shots either, y'all at like we ain't watch the games:

"I think the last couple games, he played well, he played great," James said of Iguodala. "Especially offensively, he made us defend him, he knocked down open shots.

"It’s not one-on-one. But I think his ability to play multiple positions for their team along with some of those other guys allowed their team to be so dynamic. You know, he made us pay. He made us pay tonight with big shots, timely shots, getting out on the break, getting rebounds, getting assists. He was pretty good for their team."

While Iguodala's defense on James was superb, his jumper should be a bigger part of the story. Iguodala has always defended his inconsistent shot, and it has certainly abandoned him from time to time. He went to the long pull-up way too much in Philadelphia, and started to learn the value of 3s and at-rim efficiency in Denver. He took it to another level with the Warriors, but when the Cavaliers started running him off the 3-point line, Iguodala stepped up and made huge shots in Game 6 and the entire series.

He was the catalyst that changed that series, don't see how is debatable.

WHO was guarding him? Or were they WIDE open because one guy was being trapped, doubled and in some cases tripled team?

LOL ya'll swear Dre was out here going one on one, beating Bron off the dribble LOL.

 

[MVP]

Lol I'm a terrible multi-task-er, my bad, I'm working while looking up stats etc.

James shot 31% from FG in game 2, they won that game. His percentages were affected for sure, but a combination of fatigue contributed to that. Dre's defense wasn't the catalyst for the wins. A major key but not THE reason.

Opportunities were there for Dray, we all know he's not a great shooter. The gravity is all about creating easy, wide open shooting opportunities, not guaranteed made shots.

So the player has to actually make the open shot? What a crazy concept. Crazy how the gravity and overall effectiveness of the Warriors offense didn't take off until after that change. Iggy’s impact on BOTH ends of the floor was what earned him that Finals MVP. In the moment Steph wasn't even a thought it was Iggy or Bron.

 

[had pants]

 

[wavycrocket]

Takes 4 games to win a series. In the 4 games that the 2015 warriors won....Steph Curry averaged:

-27.5ppg

-7 apg

-5 rpg


49% FG
42% 3FG
93% FT

But the NBA world will tell you he wasn’t the best player on a finals team.

Insanity

 

[MVP]

WHO was guarding him? Or were they WIDE open because one guy was being trapped, doubled and in some cases tripled team?

LOL ya'll swear Dre was out here going one on one, beating Bron off the dribble LOL.

Who said he was out here doing what you said? Nobody. All of his offense wasn't coming off of open looks, he did have to make plays off the dribble as they did run him off the 3pt line cause he was hitting them. Y'all Bistephuals really just like to ignore facts.

 

[clarkkent415]

This years Asterisks FMVP > Steph’s Imaginary FMVP

How? Kawhi had more help than Steph did in 2015.

 

[B Sox]

SMITTY!!

 

[friscostylez]

So you agree. Who replaced Bogut in the lineup?

Steph/Dray/Barnes/Klay were starters in G1-G3, Dubs were down. There was ONE major change and you right everybody knows it but only some wanna retroactively give Steph credit.

I think it was mainly just taking bogut out the line up & not really about who took his spot. Similar results if you replaced Bogut with Livingston.

Iggy PT
G1 - 31 mins
G2 - 37 mins
G3 - 36 mins
G4 - 39 mins
G5 - 42 mins
G6 - 36 mins


Bogut PT
G1 - 28 mins
G2 - 25 mins
G3 - 17 mins
G4 - 2 mins
G5 - DNP
G6 - DNP

 

[storm2006]

What are we even arguing when we talk about Steph having 0 FMVPs and his 2016/2019 Finals performances? As it stands he is currently a Top 10-20 player and second best PG of all-time. Do those things prevent him from being higher than where he is? Yes but I don't think anyone is trying to elevate him beyond that right now.

For the record, I feel similarly about LeBron. He's 3-6 Finals but his body of work still has him Top 3-5 all-time. If a players place in history accurately reflect both their accomplishments and shortcomings, I'm not sure why we harp on the specifics surrounding certain events.

 

[MVP]

I think it was mainly just taking bogut out the line up & not really about who took his spot. Similar results if you replaced Bogut with Livingston.

Iggy PT
G1 - 31 mins
G2 - 37 mins
G3 - 36 mins
G4 - 39 mins
G5 - 42 mins
G6 - 36 mins


Bogut PT
G1 - 28 mins
G2 - 25 mins
G3 - 17 mins
G4 - 2 mins
G5 - DNP
G6 - DNP

LOL Livingston is going out there giving you the production that Iggy did on offense (Shaun pretty much a zero threat from 3) and even a fraction of what he gives you on offense? Steph's gravity would still be ineffective like it was in the first 3 games.

 

[clarkkent415]

So the player has to actually make the open shot? What a crazy concept. Crazy how the gravity and overall effectiveness of the Warriors offense didn't take off until after that change. Iggy’s impact on BOTH ends of the floor was what earned him that Finals MVP. In the moment Steph wasn't even a thought it was Iggy or Bron.

Takes 4 games to win a series. In the 4 games that the 2015 warriors won....Steph Curry averaged:

-27.5ppg

-7 apg

-5 rpg


49% FG
42% 3FG
93% FT

But the NBA world will tell you he wasn’t the best player on a finals team.

Insanity

The standards for Steph are incredibly high. To get FMVP (in the media's eyes), my guy had to be MJ while being doubled teamed at half court when Klay couldn't dribble at the time while being locked down by JR SMH.

Sounds like being a minority in America, gotta be better than everybody just to be treated right SMH.

 

[MVP]

What are we even arguing when we talk about Steph having 0 FMVPs and his 2016/2019 Finals performances? As it stands he is currently a Top 10-20 player and second best PG of all-time. Do those things prevent him from being higher than where he is? Yes but I don't think anyone is trying to elevate him beyond that right now.

For the record, I feel similarly about LeBron. He's 3-6 Finals but his body of work still has him Top 3-5 all-time. If a players place in history accurately reflect both their accomplishments and shortcomings, I'm not sure why we harp on the specifics surrounding certain events.

My issue and where the propaganda gets outta hand is the premature elevation of Wardell despite what we know. And outright excuses and denial for what actually happened. There is an argument for him being the best player on the team in the 2015 Finals but what actually happened did happen and the right guy won the award.

But we also just have to acknowledge the reality that if the Dubs would have won in 16 Dray was getting finals MVP and that Bron and Kyrie outplayed as well. And in 17 and 18 KD was better than him (despite the fact they tried to cheese Wardell the MVP with force feeding him in a blowout). And in 19, if Klay hadn't gotten hurt and they come back to win that series, he's more than likely getting the award for his stellar play.

 

[HIM]

did you change your name on Warzone?

yea, and I been inviting you to play but you never join

My name is WhoShotYa

 

[darthska]

Lol if we are keeping it 100, it was removing Bogut outta the line up that was major key. But I already know everybody knows that & nobody acknowledges that just so they can knock Curry.

So...

... no Love? (If we're keeping it 100).

 

[wavycrocket]

The standards for Steph are incredibly high. To get FMVP (in the media's eyes), my guy had to be MJ while being doubled teamed at half court when Klay couldn't dribble at the time while being locked down by JR SMH.

Sounds like being a minority in America, gotta be better than everybody just to be treated right SMH.

There is a influential faction of NBA media that has been on a “discredit Steph” campaign, since 2015. Shoot, after leading the exact same warriors team from 13-14 from 47 wins to 67 wins the following year....averaging 24-8-4 on 49/44/91 splits over an entire regular season....the NBA decides to do a “players award” that season, and say James Harden is the “true mvp”.

James Harden named MVP at inaugural NBA Players' Awards | Sports Illustrated

NBA players choose Harden over Curry for MVP

Houston's James Harden was named MVP at the NBPA's first Players Awards, and LeBron James won the award for "Player you secretly wish was on your team."

www.espn.com

After Steph does this to Harden in the playoffs, mind you:



The entire reason the mvp award is awarded after the season to this very day...is because Cp3, and the “players” felt Harden deserved it in 2015 over Steph. They created an entire award show to stick it to him .

Then the man goes out and balls in the 2015 Finals...by every measure any other mvp gets...and becomes the only player ever to put up the numbers he does...and not receive “finals mvp”.

It’s a joke. All because HE isn’t who they thought should be, “it”.

Funny to see.

 

[Based Jesus]

Takes 4 games to win a series. In the 4 games that the 2015 warriors won....Steph Curry averaged:

-27.5ppg

-7 apg

-5 rpg


49% FG
42% 3FG
93% FT

But the NBA world will tell you he wasn’t the best player on a finals team.

Insanity

EYE remember it as Steph dropping 40 in game 5 with the series tied 2-2 and then finishing the job in game 6 alongside a Draymond triple double. Somehow that translates to Iggy saving the team. If Steph played like Klay did in 2015 I could understand, but it didnt go down like that at all. For 5 out of the 6 games they played, he was the best player on the team.

 

[getback]

 

[storm2006]

My issue and where the propaganda gets outta hand is the premature elevation of Wardell despite what we know. And outright excuses and denial for what actually happened. There is an argument for him being the best player on the team in the 2015 Finals but what actually happened did happen and the right guy won the award.

But we also just have to acknowledge the reality that if the Dubs would have won in 16 Dray was getting finals MVP and that Bron and Kyrie outplayed as well. And in 17 and 18 KD was better than him (despite the fact they tried to cheese Wardell the MVP with force feeding him in a blowout). And in 19, if Klay hadn't gotten hurt and they come back to win that series, he's more than likely getting the award for his stellar play.

Arguing about who should or would have won FMVPs doesn't really do much for me because as you mentioned it's in the past. Steph didn't win those awards.

What premature of elevation of Steph are you talking about in 2020? On June 30, 2020, knowing what we know and considering everything that has happened as well as what he's accomplished, do you think Steph Curry is a Top 10-20 player of all-time? Do you think he is the second best PG of all-time?

 

[clarkkent415]

If any of you read Ethan Strauss you would know NIKE controls the league.

Biggest mistake Steph made was leaving the SWOOSH but ironically it probably saved his career; them Zoom Braves back in 2010 was giving him them ankle injuries.

THE reason why no FMVPs are in his closet.

 

[B Sox]

A dude signed with New Balance that barely speaks is about to win B2B FMVPs.

 

[clarkkent415]

A dude signed with New Balance that barely speaks is about to win B2B FMVPs.

Yeah, by default. Circumstances.