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Understood.Originally Posted by CP1708
Big J, Doo was the first to start crying about market size and some others agreed. Doo with the "its just not fair!!!!"And when the og topic on Twitter started, it was brought up there. Allen and Osh make points, and I hear those, but some others have been blaming markets as unfair advantages and such, that's what I'm refuting.
CosmicCanon wrote:
I understand Houston will have 2 extra picks that WON'T be lottery picks.
However, given the fact that you can't rule a player out til AFTER his 3rd or 4th year, they have a lot of players that are CHEAP and HAVE POTENTIAL.
Everyone on the Rockets' roster fits that description, sans Lowry/Scola/Martin/Dragic. So AT LEAST 7 of their players, have 3 years- of experience.
Also, let's not disregard 1st round picks outside of the lottery. In the past three drafts, we've had NUMEROUS players non-lottery that are good.
Those players are the following:
Taj Gibson
Jrue Holiday
Eric Bledsoe
Landry Fields
Jeff Teague
Darren Collison
Toney Douglas
Rodrigue Beaubois
Dejuan Blair
Chase Budinger
That's 10 players bruh, and people wanna say "you can't find good players past the lottery".
Also, the Rockets WILL have a top-5 worst record this year(or whenever the NBA resumes), so they WILL be in the running for the 1st pick in 2012. Maybe in 2013 as well, depending on where they pick next year. So AT WORST they'll have a top 6 draft pick in a GREAT draft next year.
Finally, the extra picks and cheap talent, creates FLEXIBILITY for the Rockets. If Morey(Rockets' GM) wanted to, he could make a push for CP3 or Dwight. Very unlikely he does that(since the Rockets are rebuilding), but having a surplus of picks/young talent, allows teams to target big-time players through trades. Coincidentally, this franchise(Rockets) did that in acquiring Tracy McGrady(a superstar in 2004). My final point, is that small-mid markets WILL NEVER be able to draw FA like NY/Chicago/LA. Simply because, small-mid markets aren't AS DESIRABLE like NY/Chicago/LA. However, they can get a type A talent through the draft, or by stockpiling on picks/young talent to TRADE for a type A talent.
So let's just end the "small markets can't win" nonsense.
All of that, just fantastic stuff. You say 10 good players out of 3 years of non-lotto picks... that's not exactly a great percentage there. And why can't we rule out a player until his 3rd or 4th year? Where's that in the rules? Sure, it's possible, but do you actually think Jordan Hill will develop into a rotation player on a playoff team?, do you think Thabeet will pan out? Do you know anything about Motiejunas' game? I'll give you Lee, he's solid right now, but like I said, not that young. Sure, they could have "potential" but I'm speaking directly to this team right now.
You're not telling me anything I haven't said or agreed with. I directly say in there, I see what you're saying and in theory it works, but I'm speaking about the Rockets specifically as the model to follow and the benchmark. I know small markets aren't desirable, I've been repeating that myself the last few pages, but using the Rockets as an example of "small markets can't win" is illogical right now, because they haven't won using this benchmark model you've described.
Like I've said, when the Rockets trade their young "talent" for an established star and/or a higher pick and he pans out.. then I absolutely agree with you, but they haven't done that yet and I don't think their players are all that appealing at this point.