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Nice man. I'm going to do some volume at 275-315 next week, thatll be fun lol.GJ brah.
Hit 415 Monday, then repped out 315 for 8 right after...felt light
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Nice man. I'm going to do some volume at 275-315 next week, thatll be fun lol.GJ brah.
Hit 415 Monday, then repped out 315 for 8 right after...felt light
I see personal trainers always having people do the most wild things at my gym
Dumbbell squats on while balancing themselves on of those those balance balls :x
I see personal trainers always having people do the most wild things at my gym
Dumbbell squats on while balancing themselves on of those those balance balls :x
Even on a bosu ball (half circle thingy) that's not a good exercise imo.actually a good exercise. the core
edit: nvm you said balls. I thought you meant the core building half circle thingy lol
Most personal trainers at commercial gyms are idiots is the answer.
I love when they have 100 lb bean stalks or fattys doing tricep push downs, db curls, and leg curls and crap....You know, bc thats so damn effective.
As far as assuming these people are doing compounds.... well lets just stop assuming there, and be real, cuz they arent.I never could quite understand the logic here...
Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?
Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching
is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?
Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.
I never could quite understand the logic here...
1. Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?
2. Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching
is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?
Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.
THIS!!!Can't really answer that but the idea is to keep the client "achieving". Doing so keeps them coming back. Also want to keep the clients away from "normal" routines that they can do alone. This builds the need for a trainer thus the sometimes down right hilarious exercises
I never could quite understand the logic here...
1. Assuming you still do compound movements, is accessory work completely useless for someone who isn't already in tip top shape?
2. Or if someone has limited mobilities so they split compounds into individual movements, is that still useless?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the tricep of no value if you're sore from benching
is muscle stimulation when isolated of the bicep of no value if you're sore form rows and DL?
Is muscle stimulation when isolated of the hamstring of no value if you're sore form squating?
Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.
1. For strength training, accessory work is best reserved for "weak link" training. For hypertrophy work, it can help, but will contribute less than the main (compound) movements. There's a reason it is called "accessory." For beginners, there really aren't many weak links, considering how weak the overall kinetic chain is. The accessory work for a beginner would be best reserved for addressing posture, mobility, and other qualities. For example, if you have 2 males, one that can bench 1xBW for 1 rep, and another that can bench 1.75xBW for 1 rep who do you think would benefit more from accessory training?
2. Again, it depends on the goal. The body learns in patterns. You could do an endless number of leg presses, but still have a mediocre squat. Yes, the muscles involved may have the strength(unlikely), but the body has to learn to use that strength in the given movement pattern. You could take the lat pulldown and pull up as an example. There are people that are quite "strong" with lat pulldowns who struggle to do pull ups. There is more that goes into a compound movement than the muscle groups that are commonly recognized for that movement. Coordination, mobility, technique etc. are all specific to a particular pattern, and will affect the "transferance" of strength between muscles and movements. If you want to get good at something, practice that skill. Movement and strength are skills.
As far as assuming these people are doing compounds.... well lets just stop assuming there, and be real, cuz they arent.I never could quite understand the logic here...
Not trying to come at you, just trying to understand different viewpoints.
And youre qualifying everything youre saying though.... if youre sore from benching....dont hit your triceps or chest, hit youre legs .. etc.
My point is, these trainers waste people's time by having them do all these isolation movements when theyd be better served doing compounds. or focusing on those limited mobilities you mentioned.
Everyone has different methodologies. I think Nealraj006 was able to explain my point a little better, being that from what I know, he has some type of background in exercise science or kiniseology.Thank you for this response. Especially part 2.
Well in my case I'm lifting in addition to a lot of cardio to drop my weight (bf%)
So if I'm sore in my chest from benching but not in my tris... is it not a good idea to bench more? I'm not a big fan of things like cable tricep pushdowns so i'll do something like a skull crusher w/ an EZ bar or a close grip press... is that also of minimal benifit?
Same situation on back day w/ my biceps. Is doing curls with dumbbells and or an EZ bar of minimal benifit? if im sore in my back from barbel rows and or DLs?
Everyone has different methodologies. I think Nealraj006 was able to explain my point a little better, being that from what I know, he has some type of background in exercise science or kiniseology.Thank you for this response. Especially part 2.
Well in my case I'm lifting in addition to a lot of cardio to drop my weight (bf%)
So if I'm sore in my chest from benching but not in my tris... is it not a good idea to bench more? I'm not a big fan of things like cable tricep pushdowns so i'll do something like a skull crusher w/ an EZ bar or a close grip press... is that also of minimal benifit?
Same situation on back day w/ my biceps. Is doing curls with dumbbells and or an EZ bar of minimal benifit? if im sore in my back from barbel rows and or DLs?
I personally think that it is of minimal benefit given the description youve provided. If youre trying to lose BF in addition to lifting, what benefit are you getting from isolating your triceps? If you cant answer that, I sure cant. Im not being a smartass either.
It sounds like youre trying to justify an arm day. If that's what you want to do, do you man.. but I dont see how that is going to help you reach your goal.
If youre bis and tris arent sore after back and chest, hit them harder for a couple sets after your compounds on those days. That is where accessory work fits in my routine.
We're def misunderstanding each other then. My only point was that I see trainers having little and huge guys alike doing tricep pushdowns without any benching, leg press without any squatting, curls without any rows or deadlifts, or pullups.... in these situations isolation is generally going to be far less effective for the goal their clients are trying to accomplish.I think we were misunderstanding each other
I dont have an arm day and I hit my bis after i finish all my back work to ensure my biceps are "equally" worked that day (same for tris on a chest day)
Edit: i dont go ham on them either.. i'm talking 3-4 sets after the main movements... not 4-5 exercises for 3-4 sets each with a superset selfie and a drop set IG post.
Now let me ask you this... i also have a shoulder and trap day... which for sake of argument the majority is accessory work. How useful would you consider that?