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[JCMojica24]

Should've put that in a spoiler.

 

[jewbacca]

No 56K warning for that article? C'mon man lol a link alone would have been fine.

 

[dn590]

any suggestions for whey protein?
i usually stick with Optimum Nutrition (On) but thinking of something better. is Casin better than Whey? I know its for before sleep. and is the On Mass Serious Mass any good to gain weight?

 

[frank mucus]

any suggestions for whey protein?
i usually stick with Optimum Nutrition (On) but thinking of something better. is Casin better than Whey? I know its for before sleep. and is the On Mass Serious Mass any good to gain weight?

Gaspari myofusion

 

[jking0821]

Big muscles move slow? Do you live under a rock?


I can provide so many examples to prove that wrong but 3 letters will do the trick....N F L.

No hate but that was a dumb comment.

It was in reference to the boxing comment. Its relative. Obviously you can be muscular and be fast......but IN BOXING. If you are in a weight class and have to make weight for a fight.....the guy with big huge muscles at a certain weight tends to be slower then the guy who is smaller LOOKING at that weight. Speed kills in boxing....that's why they don't lift heavy to get big muscles....they need the muscle endurance more then raw power. Obviously the goal is speed and power but if you just train for power when you have to make weight...you will not fair that well in the ring.

I can name you a solid 40 fights of the big heavier looking guy being way slower in the ring then the athletic looking guy. You can see progression as well like when James Kirkland lost to Ishida...came into the fight looking jacked as hell...ishida moved up in weight...and knocked him out....kirkland comes back against Angulo looking way leaner....ko victory in the 6th. I am sure there are examples the other way but just making a point as to why boxers aren't huge....because they need muscle endurance and speed.

Its wasn't a catch all comment NT always taking things out of context

 

[repsol1k]

hey bro, you got the tan stuff in your hair

just thought you should know

alright

no but seriously, was that a 6' and up comp or something?

This was a all over spray tan and not the bronzing lotion like i used for my 1st show..i prefer this better

And yea we were split up into 2 classes..under 6' and 6' and over..of course they put me in the 6' and over..the dudes in that pic were 6'3 to 6'4

The bigger the show the more classes yull have...theres a bigger show in Nov and their classes r 'under 5'8..5'8-5'11 3/4 and 6' over

 

[41239]

hey bro, you got the tan stuff in your hair


just thought you should know


alright


no but seriously, was that a 6' and up comp or something?

This was a all over spray tan and not the bronzing lotion like i used for my 1st show..i prefer this better

And yea we were split up into 2 classes..under 6' and 6' and over..of course they put me in the 6' and over..the dudes in that pic were 6'3 to 6'4

The bigger the show the more classes yull have...theres a bigger show in Nov and their classes r 'under 5'8..5'8-5'11 3/4 and 6' over

i was just messin with you man

so most of the guys in your class were like 210-230?

i know everyones body is different, im just trying to gauge where i want to be, i dont want to be small, but i dont want to be XXL massive

 

[timbo109]

i dont think so man

dead lifts are a staple for american football players, so i would imagine it makes you stronger and depending on how you perform the dead lift more explosive

if anything, compound lifts like the dead lift, squat, clean are more dangerous because people tend to go heavy and mess their **** up

This isn't true. Most football lifting programs focus on power cleans rather than deads. See on the current UNDERUTILIZATION of deadlifts in football training: http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/top-nine-get-faster-for-football-exercises/ .

I'd agree with you that olympic lifts have less margin for error in terms of form than simple compounds though.

 

[bigboss]

Its wasn't a catch all comment

NT always taking things out of context

But you said it in a "catch all" statement. Moving on doe...

Dead lifts today.

LETS GET IT

 

[repsol1k]

i was just messin with you man

so most of the guys in your class were like 210-230?

i know everyones body is different, im just trying to gauge where i want to be, i dont want to be small, but i dont want to be XXL massive

I was in Light Heavyweight..200-220 3/4th

 

[thatguy]

Big muscles move slow? Do you live under a rock?


I can provide so many examples to prove that wrong but 3 letters will do the trick....N F L.

No hate but that was a dumb comment.

Look at sports where size isn't the goal of athletes - track sprinters, guards in basketball, etc... These guys aren't generally very big because they want to be quick. While football players lift for both hypertrophy and strength (because good football players need to be big AND strong), there is little reason for a sprinter or guard to be "big."

That being said, do these people look "big" on tv? Of course they do. Most of these guys have ridiculous body fat %s and still do have pretty big muscles. The amount of weight that these guys can lift though for the size of their body is unreal. If you train for strength (low reps) as opposed to muscle size, you are better off in many sports.

 

[bigboss]

Look at sports where size isn't the goal of athletes - track sprinters, guards in basketball, etc... These guys aren't generally very big because they want to be quick. While football players lift for both hypertrophy and strength (because good football players need to be big AND strong), there is little reason for a sprinter or guard to be "big."

That being said, do these people look "big" on tv? Of course they do. Most of these guys have ridiculous body fat %s and still do have pretty big muscles. The amount of weight that these guys can lift though for the size of their body is unreal. If you train for strength (low reps) as opposed to muscle size, you are better off in many sports.

I bet Jking repped you for this **** 

Strong user name to post relation also.

He made a blanket statement that big muscles move slow, period. Your examples have nothing to do with what he said, your just giving examples of desired body types in relation to their sports position. I was just showing him that he is incorrect in making that statement because it simply isn't true. I was only talking about the NFL not basketball or ******g sprinters.

 

[jking0821]

Look at sports where size isn't the goal of athletes - track sprinters, guards in basketball, etc... These guys aren't generally very big because they want to be quick. While football players lift for both hypertrophy and strength (because good football players need to be big AND strong), there is little reason for a sprinter or guard to be "big."


That being said, do these people look "big" on tv? Of course they do. Most of these guys have ridiculous body fat %s and still do have pretty big muscles. The amount of weight that these guys can lift though for the size of their body is unreal. If you train for strength (low reps) as opposed to muscle size, you are better off in many sports.

I bet Jking repped you for this **** 

Strong user name to post relation also.

He made a blanket statement that big muscles move slow, period. Your examples have nothing to do with what he said, your just giving examples of desired body types in relation to their sports position. I was just showing him that he is incorrect in making that statement because it simply isn't true. I was only talking about the NFL not basketball or ******g sprinters.

My comment was made with a quote.....about boxing.....and their physique and how they aren't "crazy built".....i didn't just state it outright with no reference. Sorry you took it to be a blanket statement it was not meant to be. It was in reference to the quote....that i quoted...in my post.

 

[freeze]

sprinters are diesel tho lol. yohan blake is beastly at 170lb. dude is built like a runningback. and is argubly the #2 sprinter in the world behind bolt. i just dont think muscle and speed can be generalized. everybody is different. bo jackson was dumb fast. same with reggie bush. both are muscular guys. i just think its a bad argument because there's plenty of cases on both sides that contradict the statement. You can be big and fast, you can also be small and slow.

 

[cincoseisdos]

mightbe a stupid question but do you guys drink while doing a shred?

Saca el chupe de las manos

 

[baltimoregutta]

Tried that hook grip for DLs. Couldn't get 275 for reps smh.

 

[BranchLifestyle]

Tried that hook grip for DLs. Couldn't get 275 for reps smh.

A couple of things about the Hook Grip:

-Best if you have huge hands.

-99.99% of the time, you have to redo the grip after each rep.

-They hurt like hell in the beginning.

 

[41239]

i dont think so man

dead lifts are a staple for american football players, so i would imagine it makes you stronger and depending on how you perform the dead lift more explosive

if anything, compound lifts like the dead lift, squat, clean are more dangerous because people tend to go heavy and mess their **** up

This isn't true. Most football lifting programs focus on power cleans rather than deads. See on the current UNDERUTILIZATION of deadlifts in football training: http://articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/top-nine-get-faster-for-football-exercises/ .

I'd agree with you that olympic lifts have less margin for error in terms of form than simple compounds though.

it most certainly is true

quick poll, Whoever has played varsity football in hs and did DLs on lift days type "me" and the ones who haven't done DLs but still played hs football type "not"

ive been in sports my whole life, all of my friends have played a varsity sport in hs and many have went on to play college ball, all of my football friends have done DLs per coach's demand on lift day

not to mention your article never mentions any hard facts, it just says many football guys are scared, it never even gave a single player's account of avoiding DLs

 

[lucho]

I played D-1 soccer and our weight coaches always had us doing DLs, regular and sumo. I hated leg day followed by track day. 

 

[timbo109]

it most certainly is true

quick poll, Whoever has played varsity football in hs and did DLs on lift days type "me" and the ones who haven't done DLs but still played hs football type "not"

ive been in sports my whole life, all of my friends have played a varsity sport in hs and many have went on to play college ball, all of my football friends have done DLs per coach's demand on lift day

not to mention your article never mentions any hard facts, it just says many football guys are scared, it never even gave a single player's account of avoiding DLs

you're objecting to the fact that the article doesn't provide hard facts yet you're basing your argument on personal experience? Dead lifts aren't a staple across football lifting programs. It's not worth arguing about tho as I agree with you that they do provide significant benefits to football as well as other sports if done correctly.

 

[jewbacca]

This was a all over spray tan and not the bronzing lotion like i used for my 1st show..i prefer this better

And yea we were split up into 2 classes..under 6' and 6' and over..of course they put me in the 6' and over..the dudes in that pic were 6'3 to 6'4

The bigger the show the more classes yull have...theres a bigger show in Nov and their classes r 'under 5'8..5'8-5'11 3/4 and 6' over

It looks someone rolled you around in Buffalo Wild Wings' mild sauce

 

[baltimoregutta]

Tried that hook grip for DLs. Couldn't get 275 for reps smh.

A couple of things about the Hook Grip:

-Best if you have huge hands.

-99.99% of the time, you have to redo the grip after each rep.

-They hurt like hell in the beginning.

I have big hands, but they didn't hurt too much truth to be told.

I was using it up to 225 with no problem. Once I hit 275, my grip wasn't having it.

 

[41239]

it most certainly is true

quick poll, Whoever has played varsity football in hs and did DLs on lift days type "me" and the ones who haven't done DLs but still played hs football type "not"

ive been in sports my whole life, all of my friends have played a varsity sport in hs and many have went on to play college ball, all of my football friends have done DLs per coach's demand on lift day

not to mention your article never mentions any hard facts, it just says many football guys are scared, it never even gave a single player's account of avoiding DLs

you're objecting to the fact that the article doesn't provide hard facts yet you're basing your argument on personal experience? Dead lifts aren't a staple across football lifting programs. It's not worth arguing about tho as I agree with you that they do provide significant benefits to football as well as other sports if done correctly.

since when has personal experience been invalid in a discussion? your article was pretty much heresay, so my personal accounts of many high school as well as colleges implementing DLs into their programs lifting is definitely acceptable

 

[JCMojica24]

School me on BCAA's guys...should I be taking it? Don't really know too much about it.

 

[nealraj006]

Look at sports where size isn't the goal of athletes - track sprinters, guards in basketball, etc... These guys aren't generally very big because they want to be quick. While football players lift for both hypertrophy and strength (because good football players need to be big AND strong), there is little reason for a sprinter or guard to be "big."

That being said, do these people look "big" on tv? Of course they do. Most of these guys have ridiculous body fat %s and still do have pretty big muscles. The amount of weight that these guys can lift though for the size of their body is unreal. If you train for strength (low reps) as opposed to muscle size, you are better off in many sports.

Not true at all. Fast and big are not related in the way you are supposing. Actually, with increasing size (at equal body fat percentages), more muscular athletes will be faster (up to a point). Speed and explosive power output from the lower body increases with strength because speed is a function of strength.

There is Russian data that collected information on the vertical jump heights of olympic weightlifters. They found that the 90kg weight class had the highest vertical jump, not the lighter guys or the super heavyweights. This is due to a variety of factors, but these athletes are leaner than the super heavyweights, stronger than the lighter weight classes, and use fairly heavy loads in their training.

Look at the sport where being bigger hurts you: Gymnastics. In the men, there is a certain level of muscularity involved, despite not eating or training directly for it. Look at high level rings specialists, they are very muscular, and it is required for their performance.

Hypertrophy is absolutely required for higher level athletic performance. Granted, you don't have to be as big as a competitive bodybuilder, but you definitely have to be more muscular than a 12 year old stamp collector.

I suggest that you read this article by Kelly Baggett that discuses the idea of "nonfunctional hypertrophy" :
http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/nonfunctionalmyth.html