Star Wars Universe Thread: May The 4th Be With You

Did you like The Last Jedi?

  • Yes

    Votes: 68 71.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 27 28.4%

  • Total voters
    95
  • Poll closed .
Kylo being relative trash with a lightsaber really bugs me

Only Rey being the best swordsman in the damn Galaxy with no damn training at all is more annoying as well.

Adam Driver moves so damn awkward too.

You're just not experienced enough to understand or appreciate Rey, Kylo, and the movie in general. On the 10th viewing you'll be able to see how perfect and glorious of a film this is. I'm only at viewing #6 so far, so I still catch myself using logic and having expectations :smh:
 
discussing is repeating yourself? over and over? I beg to differ.
feel free to think before you type.

Again, if it bothers you so much, you can either leave or block the people you find so annoying.

Kylo being relative trash with a lightsaber really bugs me

Only Rey being the best swordsman in the damn Galaxy with no damn training at all is more annoying as well.

Adam Driver moves so damn awkward too.

TFA, Kylo slices up Finn and then moves on to Rey and is toying with her for nearly the entire fight.
She spends most of her time trying to run and then all of a sudden takes a deep breath and carves him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Made no sense at all. Girl is just good at everything, with little to no training or practice. Jedi mind tricks? Yup. Lightsaber duels? Yup. Flying a ship? Yup.
She's practically better than Han ******* Solo at flying the falcon. Nearly lopped off Luke's head with his own lightsaber.
Beats Kylo Ren in one movie and then saves his life in another. The man who was trained by Luke Skywalker and Snoke who's supposedly a badass.
She's the real Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman in space. Her only flaw will be letting her man get stolen by a chubby and annoying asian girl.
 
OP really needs to make a poll about TLJ

The constant washage and inconsistent superpowers of Kylo Ren bugs me too

When we saw Anakain getting washed, it was under circumstances that didn't require us to suspend disbelief.

Everything else made that man look untouchable.

Kylo is 10 years older, trained by both Luke and Snoke, performing incredible feats of Force-iness, but still manages to be on the receiving end of constant and inexplicable washings.

I used to rock with the "he was injured" argument regarding fighting Rey but really that rationalization is trash.

I'm almost in the "Rey is a Mary Sue" camp. She's kicking too much *** in comparison to her predecessors and incurring none of their life lessons, motivations, losses, and ******* training lol
 
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Just finding this thread...are we allowed to talk about plotpoints? Or no spoilers?

Posted this way back, good things like this get lost in all the Noise. Best vid for Movie breakdown:

No matter what you thought of movie, this is one of most comprehensive breakdowns, references and easter eggs vid. Not bad.



We all here for Star Wars.

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Again, if it bothers you so much, you can either leave or block the people you find so annoying.



TFA, Kylo slices up Finn and then moves on to Rey and is toying with her for nearly the entire fight.
She spends most of her time trying to run and then all of a sudden takes a deep breath and carves him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Made no sense at all. Girl is just good at everything, with little to no training or practice. Jedi mind tricks? Yup. Lightsaber duels? Yup. Flying a ship? Yup.
She's practically better than Han ****ing Solo at flying the falcon. Nearly lopped off Luke's head with his own lightsaber.
Beats Kylo Ren in one movie and then saves his life in another. The man who was trained by Luke Skywalker and Snoke who's supposedly a badass.
She's the real Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman in space. Her only flaw will be letting her man get stolen by a chubby and annoying asian girl.
Her sonning Luke really bothered me. Like while I was watching the movie it was the only time I was like "come the **** on"

Like how ridiculous would it have been if Luke schooled Obi Wan in the New Hope like that. But dudes gonna like that slide cause "something, something, something....... Rian is a genius mane"
 
This thread has turned into a who likes it verses who doesn't like it, reasons being has gone to the side. There is no right or wrong, everyone has their own reasoning behind their own belief. I enjoyed it and subbed to this thread to talk star wars. Hear both sides. It has since changed. There was great points for both sides, now instead of speculation, accusation. We can't let our dislike or like for something sway from the fact there just might be a different way of looking at something. Someone please post a funny gif or something.
 
Rey is written like Neo from that Matrix.

She is "the one", her powers are unlocked at record speed, and all it takes for her to upgrade her strength is for her to "believe".
 
Glorified my dad is better than your dad thread at this point :lol:...

We need that Solo trailer to drop so we can focus on something else...
 
I promise all of you, this was the Luke you wanted. He exists in the EU. He too had to leave the Jedi order (to a degree 8o )


Luke sighed. The impulse that had brought him here seemed no closer to revealing itself, and Daala clearly thought he was wasting her time.
“While we're waiting for the Force to announce its presence,” she said, “I did want to say something. I want you to understand, this suit is not personal. Even when we were on opposite sides, representing enemy forces, I had every respect for you. In reviewing your records, it became clear to me that you have had a significant and beneficial effect on the galaxy.”
Luke raised an eyebrow. “But you still need so very much to make the Jedi a mindlessly obedient branch of the government that you're pursuing the trial.”
“It's not about obedience.”
“Oh, that's right. It's about not detecting a Jedi turning to evil. Which we should be able to do far more easily than, say, noticing an Imperial leader growing so callous that he'd obliterate an entire innocent world to convince other worlds to obey.”
Daala became very still. Her face gave away no emotion, but Luke could feel, just for a moment, the pain she had experienced long ago as her love, respect, and even understanding for Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin withered and faded in the wake of the atrocities he had committed in the Emperor's name.
Luke was sorry to make her relive that. But she clearly wanted to exchange blows, and Luke was not unarmed in this match.
She regained her composure a moment later. “It's not about that, either. You're as guilty of not detecting Jacen Solo's turn to evil as others were of not checking the excesses of Imperial officers. But that's not why you're being tried. It's just the argument that will allow us to convict you.”
“Why am I being tried, then? Give me the next layer of truth. Or the next layer below that.”
“It has to do with fairness, and responsibility, and the rule of law.”
“Things the Jedi have always supported.”
“Things the Jedi have always subverted, at least under your leadership.”
Luke couldn't keep his astonishment from his face or voice. “That's ridiculous.”
“Let me give you a hypothetical example. A Coruscant bar in seedy sublevels. Two patrons decide they don't like the looks of a third. They assault him. A Jedi intervenes, out come blaster pistols and a lightsaber, whoosh, whoosh, severed arms litter the barroom floor. Law enforcement officers are called, the Jedi gives them a terse statement and then flits off to his next adventure.”
Luke nodded. “That's a simplistic and overly colorful way of putting it, but, yes, it happens.” It had, in fact, happened almost exactly that way to him, with Luke in the role of the patron about to be assaulted, back before he was a Jedi himself, many years before.
“Do you not see anything wrong with the way the situation was resolved?”
“Not really.”
“First, there's the maiming of the suspects. Would it have been possible for the Jedi to have defeated them without cutting off their arms?”
Luke nodded. “Possibly. Probably. But once the blasters came out of their holsters, the situation became a lot more dangerous for everybody, patrons and Jedi included.”
“Could the Jedi have disarmed them with some use of the Force?”
“That does happen. But we know the Jedi in your example made the correct choice.”
“How so?”
“He was not just reacting to what he saw with his eyes and knew from his experience. He was in tune with the Force. The Force alerted him to the true level of danger and he responded appropriately.”
“Sad that the Force can never be sworn in to testify about the suggestions it offers to the Jedi.”
“True.”
“Or to the Sith. The Force talks to the Sith, too, doesn't it?”
Luke blinked. “The dark side of the Force, yes.”
“You didn't say your Jedi was only listening to the bright side—”
“Light side.”
“Yes, thank you. You just said the Force. But let's stipulate that the good Force is the only one our hypothetical Jedi listens to. It still suggests maiming an awful lot of the time.”
“Hardly a life sentence of disfigurement and handicap. Modern prosthetics are indistinguishable from flesh and bone.” He held up his own prosthetic hand, waggling its fingers at her, as evidence.
“Though they have to be paid for by someone—often the state, when the amputee is of the lower classes—and then maintained, at a cost in credits and technical skill in excess of the upkeep of an ordinary flesh-and-blood arm.”
“Granted.” Luke suppressed an impatient sigh. “Is that what the suit is about, then? A perception that arms are being cut off at a higher rate than the government recommends?”
“No, it's about the Jedi giving a cursory statement to law enforcement and then leaving. Or dashing off without giving one at all. Or just refusing to answer one crucial question the investigating officer asks. And, in every case, getting away with it.”
“I still don't understand, then.”
“I'll walk you through it. The officers show up and ask questions, the Jedi gives a fifty-word statement, the officers say, ‘Thanks, now we need to go back to the neighborhood station for a full statement,’ the Jedi says, ‘Sorry, I have places to be,’ and he's gone. Did the Jedi respond with appropriate force? You think so, but at the government level we never learn, because a short while later he's on Commenor dealing with an organized crime family, then in the Hapes Cluster …”
“Usually the Jedi does make a full statement. Does cooperate to whatever degree the local authorities require.”
“Usually, yes. I have a report here of a Jedi Knight named Seff Hellin who assaulted law officers just a few weeks ago. Whatever he needed to rush off to do, he never came back to offer full cooperation to the authorities. Did he?”
Luke suppressed the urge to fidget. He found himself wishing that Nawara Ven were here, though Daala was herself not being backed up by an advocate. “I can see how incomplete reports and investigations would be frustrating to the government. But you have to trust that we made the right choice at the right time. It's what we're trained to do.”
The smile she turned on him was as frosty as anything Luke had seen in the snowy outback of Hoth. “I do, do I? We'll get back to that. Grand Master, the hypothetical incident I described shows at a very minor, very frequent level that the Jedi are above the law.”
“Not true. Anyone in the bar situation you described could have intervened with lethal force to save the victim from his beating.”
“And then would have been obliged to make a full report, and stay in contact until the investigation was resolved. The Jedi don't respect that law, or any law they find inconvenient. And the choice to sever the arms comes dangerously close to a judicial sentence being enacted at the time of the intervention. Judge, jury, executioner: Jedi.”
“I'm sorry you have that impression.” Luke frowned. “I'd come here hoping that I could persuade you to drop the case. But now I'm wondering whether I should go through the whole trial just to demonstrate to the public that we do cooperate with the authorities. That we don't consider ourselves above the law.”
Daala nodded, her expression agreeable. “Let's talk about Kyp Durron.”
“Master Durron is a fine, responsible Jedi.”
“I'm not talking about the Jedi he is now. I'm talking about the teenager who destroyed most of the life in the Carida system all those years ago.”
Luke, his composure no longer entirely intact, shifted uncomfortably. “He was under the influence of the dark side of the Force at that time, affected by the mental sendings of a long-dead Sith Lord. And in the years since, he has proven himself to be courageous, a defender of life—”
“Yes, he has. I'm not questioning that. But I want to take you back a little over thirty years to shortly after he killed everyone who hadn't yet managed to evacuate Carida in the two hours he generously gave the population. Of course, the solar system he destroyed was an Imperial system, your enemy at the time, which does mitigate his crime in your eyes. Is that why you protected him, shielded him from legal ramifications, trained him?”
“No.”
“Why did you?”
“Because I could look into his heart and see that he had cast the shadow of Exar Kun out, that he was no longer an agent of the dark side, that he had repented.”
“He said he was sorry, and he meant it, and that was sufficient justice for the millions who died on Carida.”
“You're oversimplifying. I knew that he was on the right path again.”
“Because you have the power to see that. Because that's what Jedi are trained to do.”
“Yes.”
Daala sighed. “And because they're trained to do that, to see into people's hearts, sort truth from lies, see into the future where the criminal has reformed and turned to a life of picking flowers, they can decide who should be thanked and who should be cut down, who should be forgiven and who should be left for the ordinary officers of the law to convict. They protect the common citizen but do not answer to him. They do not pay for their mistakes. They obey government orders when those orders conform to their moral code and not when they don't. And that's wrong. Any other group exhibiting that degree of arrogance, that unconcern for the rule of law, would be classified as a criminal organization. That, ultimately, is what this case is about.”
She was wrong. And yet she was chiefly wrong from the Jedi perspective. Remove the Force from the equation, and she suddenly became right. That was jarring to Luke. It was so hard for him now to remember what it was like not to have the Force always contributing to his decision making.
It was then that he detected it: the evil that the Force had brought him here to see. He did not see it as a person or an object, but as a process, a trend—one that he was a part of.
Understanding things as much as he could through Daala's perspective, through the perspective of the common citizen, the one truth he could discern was that if the galaxy thought that the Jedi were above the law, abuses were sure to spring up from that notion as toxic weeds growing rapidly from a pile of manure.
Young Jedi, seeing the ease with which their Masters slid out from underneath common but inconvenient civic responsibilities, would come to think that such behavior was their right. A few, on the fringes of the border between the light side and the dark side, would discern that Kyp Durron had escaped any visible consequence of his actions at Carida … would accept Luke's assertion that Darth Vader had been redeemed, had died a Jedi instead of a Sith despite his many murders, and would not understand the true meaning of the story.
The answer settled across Luke like a leaden shroud. To prevent this evil from growing, he had to lose this case, to be punished. That was what the Force had brought him here to understand.
He met Daala's gaze again. “Will you be prosecuting Master Durron next?”
“I will not. But I could authorize extradition for him to the Imperial Remnant to face their charge of planetary genocide. Head of State Jagged Fel has rather reluctantly presented me with a proposal from the Moff Council on that very subject. But such a thing could be avoided, of course, if we had already set another decisive example.”
Luke gave her a slow nod. “I came here hoping that, face-to-face, without advocates whispering in our ears, we could negotiate a deal. Now, having heard what you have to say, I am certain we can.”
“Tell me.”
 
Oh my goodness. The EU is dead and gone. This isn’t Darth Caedus my man. R2 doesn’t have the recording of Anakin killing Padmé. Kylo is not going to flow-walk back in time
 
TFA opened with 30 million in China opening day

Rogue One opened with 9 mil in china opening day

....TLJ opened with 8 mil in China opening day.
 
Well, hope I don't get lampooned, but here are my issues with TLJ:

The out of place humor. Hated it in TFA, hated it more in TLJ. It has no place IMO, and ruins the entire tone of the scene. The "I'll hold" **** between Poe and Hux annoyed me.

The Yoda Force Ghost was strictly for fan service, could've done without it as a whole. An Obi Wan Force Ghost makes more sense anyway.

The adolescent boyfriend/girlfriend "conversations" that Rey and Kylo had also seemed vastly out of place, and it was a HUGE disappointment when they revealed that Rey's parents were of no significance, especially after all the times that Kylo referenced them before he finally told her.

Phasma's death was cool closure for Finn, but why did she only get three minutes of screentime? It was just like the way they built up Darth Maul in Episode I only to give him limited screentime and an untimely death. I also thought they should've let Finn sacrifice himself in that final battle, would've been a solid wrap for his character.

Lastly, and most confusingly, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST LET KYLO KILL LUKE?!? If they were gonna kill his character anyway (in the very next ******* scene), it would've made PERFECT sense for him to go down a la Obi Wan in Episode IV. The hologram death followed by him falling off a rock was LAME.
 
Yo CP C CP1708 ,

You gotta put Spoiler Brackets on that Thesis. Was expecting another long winded Who's Related and What Magical Powers Have/Not Have post. That I didn't want to read.

[ spoiler ].......[ /spoiler ]
(Remove the spaces inside brackets)

Edit: on iphone so was very noticeable.

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Her sonning Luke really bothered me. Like while I was watching the movie it was the only time I was like "come the **** on"

Like how ridiculous would it have been if Luke schooled Obi Wan in the New Hope like that. But dudes gonna like that slide cause "something, something, something....... Rian is a genius mane"

I would've used that moment to show off how powerful Luke had become in the time we hadnt seen him by making him force push her and the rain away. Would've been a good 2 seconds before it started raining again. Or using the force to freeze her and the rain like how Kylo froze her and the blaster fire in TFA. Would've been cool. Instead we see old man Skywalker get punked on his own porch.
 
Its dope that a lot of you rank 3 so high.

It has the most emotional payoffs out of all the movies in the franchise so far.

For me...
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The prequels were all subpar but they all made money and we're still seeing even more Star Wars projects lately.
The point is, if those didn't sink the ship, nothing really will.

The current trilogy has TONS of fans and the fans that are turned off will just be replaced by new ones created everyday.
I'm lucky that I've enjoyed all the Disney/Star Wars movies so far.

At the end of the day, some of us just want to enjoy these things because YEARS ago we had nothing.
Nothing to look forward to every Summer and December, no Star Wars anywhere.
I would definitely choose these films(which aren't REALLY that bad) over nothing at all.

And that's what will keep Star Wars alive for decades to come.

Star Wars fandom is more alive now than ever before. Conventions are crazy, trailer
drops are events on their own, merchandise are top notch. You can say what you
want but these new films are bringing the joy back into being a fan. Take a look back
in 2010 and what you were doing then and take a look at the world now. You're in this
forum. People stopped talking Star Wars because there was nothing to talk about anymore.
Now we're here debating ferociously every single day.
yet we still have a bunch of complainers in here everyday .. it's pretty sad
 
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