Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[nawghtyhare]

Dre is like Kanye. His production is like a music score.

There's a difference in clarity and detail that most producers/beat makers don't have. He sprinkles his magic on songs and his ear is on another level.

It's sort of like when Danja went on his own from Timbaland. He had a little run, but he never had the versatility that Timb had.

Pharrell is the same way. Chad is the actual beat maker for most of their songs, but P adds his touch that makes it something special.

y'all give them too much credit

You don't think mixing and mastering is important? Cube, Snoop, 50, Em, everybody that works with Dre got stories of Dre teaching them how to make records. All the way down to saying words a certain way.

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

 

[nawghtyhare]

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Ross album did more in pure first week sales than literally every rapper not named Drake, Kendrick or Logic that has dropped this year 


Also, MMG is almost definitely coming over to Epic once that Atlantic deal is over


I think he was more than likely moving around once that deal was over anyway. Remember he signed to Def Jam thru Slip n Slide and they been eating the whole time, Black Market was the last album.

How many major artist have dropped this year? Actual albums?

first, who all do you consider major artists that haven't dropped yet? just curious

still waiting on as to drop
he said its dropping this year
dmx hasn't yet
x will always get the benefit of the doubt off IDAHIH and FOMFBOMB

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Dre is like Kanye. His production is like a music score.

There's a difference in clarity and detail that most producers/beat makers don't have. He sprinkles his magic on songs and his ear is on another level.

It's sort of like when Danja went on his own from Timbaland. He had a little run, but he never had the versatility that Timb had.

Pharrell is the same way. Chad is the actual beat maker for most of their songs, but P adds his touch that makes it something special.

y'all give them too much credit

You don't think mixing and mastering is important? Cube, Snoop, 50, Em, everybody that works with Dre got stories of Dre teaching them how to make records. All the way down to saying words a certain way.

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

Don't get me wrong they're great but the number of classics that Dre has overseen hell to the naw naw.

 

[6pac]

the producers like dre are cold blooded

my only problem is they do leave the idea open that they're creating all the actual beats

nobody is quick to clarify, keeps the allure

just like drake will never say he flat out had ghost writers

Puff Daddy and The Hitmen ...we  saw stevie j in the videos

Pharrell has beats produced by Pharrell Williams and then beats produced by The Neptunes or w/ Mike Will, etc.

Kanye has gone on Breakfast Club and casually said "me vic mensa and q-tip were writing all day" he'll tweet that havoc did drum programming on this song and above all else, everyone is always credited on his albums

Even back to LR and Grad he mentions seeking out Jon Brion and Toomp

Dre is the only one who actively tries to take people's credit. And considering the fact he would have learned how to make beats in the 70's/early 80's...I don't doubt that he's pretty buns as an actual beat maker who has to program from scratch using an MPC or DAW.

Rap credits should be like band credits where it's listed 

"This ***** did drum programming"

"This ***** did synths"

This ***** did the hi hats in the 3rd verse"  etc etc

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Dre is buns as a beat maker?


Time to get another SN and try again.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Dre is like Kanye. His production is like a music score.

There's a difference in clarity and detail that most producers/beat makers don't have. He sprinkles his magic on songs and his ear is on another level.

It's sort of like when Danja went on his own from Timbaland. He had a little run, but he never had the versatility that Timb had.

Pharrell is the same way. Chad is the actual beat maker for most of their songs, but P adds his touch that makes it something special.

y'all give them too much credit

You don't think mixing and mastering is important? Cube, Snoop, 50, Em, everybody that works with Dre got stories of Dre teaching them how to make records. All the way down to saying words a certain way.

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

Don't get me wrong they're great but the number of classics that Dre has overseen hell to the naw naw.

like what???? name 5 undeniable classics
that haven't aged HORRIBLY
so that kills all of ems albums

 

[6pac]

Dre is buns as a beat maker?

Time to get another SN and try again.

Don't get caught up in the "blasphemousness" of that statement instead of really thinking about it. For all of his projects there is an asterisk.

NWA - DJ Yella

The Chronic - Warren G

Doggystyle - Daz and evidently the Emmanuel dude in the DPG video up there

The Chronic 2001 - Mel-Man and Scott Storch

Who else on Death Row was he producing? Daz did Dogg Pound's beats; Pac was vocal about him thinking Dre didn't deserve his spot as a DR owner/head because he was taking credit for other's beats and not making any new ****. Was he making classic Danny Boy records?

I was looking for the video of Pac saying Dre stayed in the house all day to suck **** and eat ***** instead of making beats and found a video of a dude saying he produced California Love lol. I don't even wanna look anymore because his legacy just keeps looking funnier.

Em himself makes beats so we can at least assume he was involved heavily there.

DJ Quik is on video talking about his drum sounds being used on In Da Club. 

What project is Dre responsible for by himself?

If he LEARNED how to make beats in the late 70's it's not at all a stretch to think that all he knows how to do is move drum breaks around. At any point since then where innovations in beat making have been made he has had someone to help him + he's probably literally losing money to sit down and learn that **** as opposed to finding a new hot producer who's beats he can tweak once we get into the 90's/Aftermath and beyond era.

Not to mention, the beats that he tried to take credit for were really often just remakes of 70's and 80's records with live instrumentation on top.

So yeah. Great producer but if you locked him in a room and told him to make 10 hard beats with one tool of his choice...

 

[LebronHasMoreFinalsMVPs]

Mel man wrote 75% of 2001 and is still living off those checks

 

[Magic33]

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

because of those classic Kriss Kross and Bow Wow albums.

Proof Dre is better, JD copied him and started doing G Funk

You can probably say JD is a better R&B producer, because of his work with Xscape, Mariah and Usher, but rap

and Puff does even less than Dre, so it's funny you mentioned him.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

To think Dre has never made a beat from the late 80's to now is dumb. I get you played around in a studio but nah.

Dre is like Kanye. His production is like a music score.

There's a difference in clarity and detail that most producers/beat makers don't have. He sprinkles his magic on songs and his ear is on another level.

It's sort of like when Danja went on his own from Timbaland. He had a little run, but he never had the versatility that Timb had.

Pharrell is the same way. Chad is the actual beat maker for most of their songs, but P adds his touch that makes it something special.

y'all give them too much credit

You don't think mixing and mastering is important? Cube, Snoop, 50, Em, everybody that works with Dre got stories of Dre teaching them how to make records. All the way down to saying words a certain way.

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

Don't get me wrong they're great but the number of classics that Dre has overseen hell to the naw naw.

like what???? name 5 undeniable classics
that haven't aged HORRIBLY
so that kills all of ems albums

My man back from doing his NT bid and acting a fool.

The Chronic
Doggystyle
He executive produced Dogg Food
2001
Em's first 2 albums
GRODT
Docementary

Now where are Puff and JD's 5 classics?

 

[nawghtyhare]

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

because of those classic Kriss Kross and Bow Wow albums.

Proof Dre is better, JD copied him and started doing G Funk

You can probably say JD is a better R&B producer, because of his work with Xscape, Mariah and Usher, but rap

and Puff does even less than Dre, so it's funny you mentioned him.

u really gonna just give him bow wow and kris kross
no usher
no mariah
and countless others success he's had a hand in
cmon man

 

[nawghtyhare]

Dre is buns as a beat maker?



Time to get another SN and try again.

Don't get caught up in the "blasphemousness" of that statement instead of really thinking about it. For all of his projects there is an asterisk.

NWA - DJ Yella
The Chronic - Warren G
Doggystyle - Daz and evidently the Emmanuel dude in the DPG video up there
The Chronic 2001 - Mel-Man and Scott Storch

Who else on Death Row was he producing? Daz did Dogg Pound's beats; Pac was vocal about him thinking Dre didn't deserve his spot as a DR owner/head because he was taking credit for other's beats and not making any new ****. Was he making classic Danny Boy records?

I was looking for the video of Pac saying Dre stayed in the house all day to suck **** and eat ***** instead of making beats and found a video of a dude saying he produced California Love lol. I don't even wanna look anymore because his legacy just keeps looking funnier.

Em himself makes beats so we can at least assume he was involved heavily there.

DJ Quik is on video talking about his drum sounds being used on In Da Club. 

What project is Dre responsible for by himself?

If he LEARNED how to make beats in the late 70's it's not at all a stretch to think that all he knows how to do is move drum breaks around. At any point since then where innovations in beat making have been made he has had someone to help him + he's probably literally losing money to sit down and learn that **** as opposed to finding a new hot producer who's beats he can tweak once we get into the 90's/Aftermath and beyond era.

Not to mention, the beats that he tried to take credit for were really often just remakes of 70's and 80's records with live instrumentation on top.

So yeah. Great producer but if you locked him in a room and told him to make 10 hard beats with one tool of his choice...

repped
i like this guy

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Where them 5 JD and Puff classics??

 

[6pac]

To think Dre has never made a beat from the late 80's to now is dumb. I get you played around in a studio but nah.

My man back from doing his NT bid and acting a fool.

The Chronic
Doggystyle
He executive produced Dogg Food
2001
Em's first 2 albums
GRODT
Docementary

Now where are Puff and JD's 5 classics?

This convo is going in circles but Daz said Dre didn't wanna produce them so he picked up the slack.

He was literally just stamping his name on some stuff.

I be getting high and just watching all these old Daz videos because that whole era is interesting to me lol. This ***** entertaining.

 

[Hahahaha]

I was dying when Joe said Logic's album was All Lives Matter



Joe said the whole time he didn't need this job and he was gonna speak out. I'm happy he's stuck to it. I didn't think he would go as far as he did today but Complex is in a funny situation because this show is a hit and Joe is the reason why.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

I know all of that dude. I grew up in that era.


Again, saying cuz got ghost producers means Dre can't make good beats is crazy. So if you lock Kanye and Drake in a room can they write a good song?

 

[nawghtyhare]

Where them 5 JD and Puff classics??

usher - my way
jagged edge - heartbreak

that mariah carey album that was her big comeback
emancipation of mimi or something it was called
escape first album
life in 1472 wasn't a classic but good album
and a WHOOOOOOLE bunch of songs throughout his years

 

[6pac]

I know all of that dude.

I grew up in that era.


Again, saying cuz got ghost producers means Dre can't make good beats is crazy. So if you lock Kanye and Drake in a room can they write a good song?

In 2017 it's questionable.

Drake still made So Far Gone and (presumably) the AM/PM series though. There's a perspective that Drake will give you that no rapper before or after him so far has been able to replicate. Dogg Food has a lot of beats that sound like what we thought we fell in love w Dre for.

Post 2012 Ye sucks at times even with a team of ghostwriters so IDK what you're trying to say here. 

 

 

[nawghtyhare]

Where them 5 JD and Puff classics??

puff im a use made first album bigs first and second
that dirty money album was actually good
puffs first album
whats the 411
her my life album
and that remix whats the 411 album by mary j blidge
tlc crazysexycool had a FEW on there
faith and total album
jay the snake z american gangster album

 

[nawghtyhare]

To think Dre has never made a beat from the late 80's to now is dumb. I get you played around in a studio but nah.

Dre is like Kanye. His production is like a music score.

There's a difference in clarity and detail that most producers/beat makers don't have. He sprinkles his magic on songs and his ear is on another level.

It's sort of like when Danja went on his own from Timbaland. He had a little run, but he never had the versatility that Timb had.

Pharrell is the same way. Chad is the actual beat maker for most of their songs, but P adds his touch that makes it something special.

y'all give them too much credit

You don't think mixing and mastering is important? Cube, Snoop, 50, Em, everybody that works with Dre got stories of Dre teaching them how to make records. All the way down to saying words a certain way.

eh
id say jd and puff are better producers than dre
he funny in the light

Don't get me wrong they're great but the number of classics that Dre has overseen hell to the naw naw.

like what???? name 5 undeniable classics
that haven't aged HORRIBLY
so that kills all of ems albums

My man back from doing his NT bid and acting a fool.

The Chronic HEARD DAZ AND WARREN DID A FEW
Doggystyle DAZ AND HIM ONLY DRE GOT CREDIT
He executive produced Dogg Food DAZ did this
2001 SCOTT STORTCH AND THAT MEL DUDE DID THIS
Em's first 2 albums ALBUMS ARE TRASH NOW
GRODT EVEN 50 SAID DRE WASNT RECORDING IN THE LAB WITH HIM LIKE THAT
Docementary NOT SURE ON HOW INVOLVED HE WAS

Now where are Puff and JD's 5 classics?

ANSWERED

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Where them 5 JD and Puff classics??

usher - my way
jagged edge - heartbreak

that mariah carey album that was her big comeback
emancipation of mimi or something it was called
escape first album
life in 1472 wasn't a classic but good album
and a WHOOOOOOLE bunch of songs throughout his years

None of those are classics.


I'll even help you out and give JD confessions. That's his only classic album. He got other hits that he wrote and produced but no classic albums.

Where them 5 JD and Puff classics??

puff im a use made first album bigs first and second
that dirty money album was actually good
puffs first album
whats the 411
her my life album
and that remix whats the 411 album by mary j blidge
tlc crazysexycool had a FEW on there
faith and total album
jay the snake z american gangster album

Big's 2 albums and American Gangster yeah but Puff was not producing Biggie and Jay. He just picked the beats. Was a A&R. Dre does way more that with his artist.


You really said Dirty Money

I know all of that dude. I grew up in that era.



Again, saying cuz got ghost producers means Dre can't make good beats is crazy. So if you lock Kanye and Drake in a room can they write a good song?

In 2017 it's questionable.

Drake still made So Far Gone and (presumably) the AM/PM series though. There's a perspective that Drake will give you that no rapper before or after him so far has been able to replicate. Dogg Food has a lot of beats that sound like what we thought we fell in love w Dre for.

Post 2012 Ye sucks at times even with a team of ghostwriters so IDK what you're trying to say here.   

Drake has writers on SFG too. So they can't or what?

 

[nawghtyhare]

^^^^^i have points i wanna make as a rebuttal
but don't feel like typing
we gonna settle this another time

 

[tay1]

Say what you gotta say

 

[VARNELL HILL]

 
Don't get caught up in the "blasphemousness" of that statement instead of really thinking about it. For all of his projects there is an asterisk.

NWA - DJ Yella

The Chronic - Warren G

Doggystyle - Daz and evidently the Emmanuel dude in the DPG video up there

The Chronic 2001 - Mel-Man and Scott Storch

Who else on Death Row was he producing? Daz did Dogg Pound's beats; Pac was vocal about him thinking Dre didn't deserve his spot as a DR owner/head because he was taking credit for other's beats and not making any new ****. Was he making classic Danny Boy records?

I was looking for the video of Pac saying Dre stayed in the house all day to suck **** and eat ***** instead of making beats and found a video of a dude saying he produced California Love lol. I don't even wanna look anymore because his legacy just keeps looking funnier.

Em himself makes beats so we can at least assume he was involved heavily there.

DJ Quik is on video talking about his drum sounds being used on In Da Club. 

What project is Dre responsible for by himself?

If he LEARNED how to make beats in the late 70's it's not at all a stretch to think that all he knows how to do is move drum breaks around. At any point since then where innovations in beat making have been made he has had someone to help him + he's probably literally losing money to sit down and learn that **** as opposed to finding a new hot producer who's beats he can tweak once we get into the 90's/Aftermath and beyond era.

Not to mention, the beats that he tried to take credit for were really often just remakes of 70's and 80's records with live instrumentation on top.

So yeah. Great producer but if you locked him in a room and told him to make 10 hard beats with one tool of his choice...

 

[delete1234]

In 2017 it's questionable.

Drake still made So Far Gone and (presumably) the AM/PM series though. There's a perspective that Drake will give you that no rapper before or after him so far has been able to replicate. Dogg Food has a lot of beats that sound like what we thought we fell in love w Dre for.

Post 2012 Ye sucks at times even with a team of ghostwriters so IDK what you're trying to say here.   

That's a joke him and his cronies do this every time. Because someone said 10 bands 50 bands now drake has never written a song, let alone for other ppl