R.I.P Trayvon

[Coupé It]

DWalk I'm not watching, I'm gettin what I get from updates and what I read. What I just read on my phone from USAToday was.

"George Zimmerman had been charged only with second-degree murder. Judge Debra Nelson did not immediately rule on a prosecution request that a third-degree murder count would be added.

Zimmerman's attorneys had objected to adding any lesser charges, and Judge Debra Nelson held a hearing on the issue Thursday morning. The jury still has the option of convicting Zimmerman, 29, of the second-degree murder charge that prosecutors sought when the trial began."

I understand what you mean, the lesser charges were already included. I understand that the charges just didn't come out of "nowhere". But what I'm saying is, the goal - the main objective was for the state to prove second-degree murder. It's what the state and the prosecutors have tried to convince the jury of.

If the state felt they had a good chance at second-degree murder charge, they would have thrown the manslaughter charge out. Charging anyone with murder and manslaughter is desperate. It shows the prosecution/state is unsure themselves. They're not confident. That was my point.

When is comes to manslaughter it's a much better case for George Zimmerman, given the evidence he could indeed be found guilty. But second-degree murdedr? Nah. Regardless, if he's found guilty of manslaughter he's doing 20 plus years since a gun was involved.

 

[rashi]

They didn't add them at the end tho... they charged them at they beginning... Read what you wrote, it doesnt even make sense.... you don't ADD "LESSER INCLUDED CHARGES"... they are already included

I know they arent "adding" per se because those "lesser included" charges hadnt been determined until today.

Prosecution to Jury:

"Yeah well, over the past 3 weeks we tried proving M2, we couldnt, so here are our 'lesser included charges'. Even though we havent proved M2, he has to be guilty of something.".


Makes sense.

 

[newmoanyuh]

Did Donye say "bizarre" or "bazaar"

 

[mister friendly]

Yeah it's not really fair to add a another charge at this point, it may work out for the Zinmerman/Martin case but stuff like this will probably end up hurting more minorities in the end

 

[011781]

Been on vacation for a week and didn't see any of the defense witnesses.

Just heard about the new charges, I know West head almost exploded. Judge Nelson is a monster out here. She's doing her best to make sure somebody going to prison next week.

 

[newmoanyuh]

It is 100% legal and fair to add, change, and remove any charges before jury instructions.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

They didn't add them at the end tho... they charged them at they beginning... Read what you wrote, it doesnt even make sense.... you don't ADD "LESSER INCLUDED CHARGES"... they are already included

I know they arent "adding" per se because those "lesser included" charges hadnt been determined until today.

Prosecution to Jury:

"Yeah well, over the past 3 weeks we tried proving M2, we couldnt, so here are our 'lesser included charges'. Even though we havent proved M2, he has to be guilty of something.".


Makes sense.

So what you're saying is lesser charges should never be considered, correct? If an individual is not proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the charge, they are exonerated of all wrongdoing they may have committed?

 

[ninjahood]

Prosecution is desperate.....

I aint a fan of "throw anything and see what sticks"

Strategy.

 

[superblytrife]

Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

None of what is happening is ridiculously out of the norm.

 

[ninjahood]

Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse.... like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

 

[elpablo21]

Prosecution is desperate.....

I aint a fan of "throw anything and see what sticks"

Strategy.

Seems like thats always been the strategy for the prosecution in most cases.

 

[Mound Raised]

Prosecution is desperate.....

I aint a fan of "throw anything and see what sticks"

Strategy.

Not even surprised....

None of what is happening is ridiculously out of the norm.

This.

 

[superb]

Yeah it's not really fair to add a another charge at this point, it may work out for the Zinmerman/Martin case but stuff like this will probably end up hurting more minorities in the end

They are not adding another charger , its a lessor charge.

Its like if you rob a women with a gun that would be armed robbery. But the prosecuter couldnt prove you had a gun but proved you actually robbed the women, so you could be convicted of roberry instead of armed robbery. Works both ways

 

[macky]

the whole legal process is ridiculous.
TV drama court > real life court but that's probably bc professional actors > regular people lying

 

[reallive301]

Lesser charges are always included and considered. If the defense never considered and prepare for minor related charges idk what world they were living in.

 

[superblytrife]

Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse.... like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any more ignorant, Mr. Hood interjects with his lawyering wisdom. Don't quit your day job, b.

Pretty sure what you're not buying doesn't matter. The FACT remains that nothing the prosecution has done is outside of the scope of the LAW.

 

[deuce king]

Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse....

like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

Might want to go back and listen to Zimmerman's initial call to the police champ. 

 

[nawghtyhare]

Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse.... like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any more ignorant, Mr. Hood interjects with his lawyering wisdom. Don't quit your day job, b.

Pretty sure what you're not buying doesn't matter. The FACT remains that nothing the prosecution has done is outside of the scope of the LAW.

besides it happens to us black folks all the time glad to see when it happens to someone else. and yes im biased i want GZ to go to jail

 

[nawghtyhare]

anybody got video of don west flipping out????

 

[delete1234]

Hang that imbecile

 

[newmoanyuh]

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse.... like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

In the actual LAW it does not matter how old you "think" someone is, hell they could have a fake id saying they were born in 79 on them, it's still considered child abuse

 

[servechilled81]

so apparently there was a bomb threat at the court house...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...courthouse-bomb-20130711,0,1049319.story?sade

are they on lunch now or is that what they're on break?

nvm, my stream was stuck i guess 

 and it was at the Civil court building

 

[harlemtothebronx]

I don't want to insult anyone, but this has to be the first case for some.

We're up in arms over something not irrational and completely of the norm.

so apparently there was a bomb threat at the court house...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...courthouse-bomb-20130711,0,1049319.story?sade
are they on lunch now or is that what they're on break?

It was Don West.

 

[ninjahood]

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Why are people up in arms about this "adding" offenses thing? Hasn't this been the law and the way things are done for awhile now? How is it not fair? You really think the defense had no clue that Manslaughter could be a possibility?

The prosecution is well within their legal rights to do what they're doing. Fair has nothing to do with this situation, IMO. Is it right? Everyone will have their opinion on that and that's fine. But as far as being "fair", they're doing what the law allows so it isn't like they're gaming the system or something. That's called good lawyering.

Its a concession.. Flat out.

I aint buying it.

If you gonna take someone to trial then do it, dont

Try to come off on technicality bull ****..

**** what side you on, thats goes for in general.

3rd degree murder in florida is da unintentional killing

Combined with a separate felony, and they adding

CHILD abuse.... like zimmerman knew how

old trayvon was or something...its bull ****.

Ya just wanna see that ***** hang for anything...

Naw i aint subscribing to that.

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any more ignorant, Mr. Hood interjects with his lawyering wisdom. Don't quit your day job, b.

Pretty sure what you're not buying doesn't matter. The FACT remains that nothing the prosecution has done is outside of the scope of the LAW.[/quote]

Thats like saying throwing a kitchen sink out da

window doesnt do anything outside da laws of

physics.

If u gonna hang a ***** for something, do it. Dont

Try to get him on a technicality cuz you couldn't

prove your case. All that does is make da appeal

That much easier to get. I aint emotionally invested

On this case so i can care less either way, however

Pulling that weak **** is obvious.