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Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl
I think that the title of the most overrated 90s Nike player goes not to Penny, but Gary Payton.
nitzski wrote:
Pip was a good player nothing more. You have to look no further than his years in Houston and Portland to realize he wasn't the player you guys would like to remember him as.
You're actually using years when he was clearly on the downside of his career to justify your remarks??Come on now.
Originally Posted by PrinSe3
and dont even get me started on GP being overrated..... if anything son is UNDERRATED.
GP from the sonics> your life
Cmon man.Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
^ So would you agree that LeBron isn't as good as the hype around him would have most believe?
(If you're not a LeBron fan, then... nevermind that question. Just thought you were, so I wanted to throw that out there.)
I've always thought this, and im old enough that ive seen him play in his prime.
O' Really? I notice you don't reference any game that you saw him play to back up your comments. In fact your aurgument contains nothingfrom th 90's that can't be googled.
Two time first teamer correct?
You should be telling us, it's your point.
In all seriousness do any of you think that
Two time first teamer correct?
20 pts 4 reb 7 ast
21 pts 4 rebs 7 ast
are first team stats? even on a good team?
Who should have made the 1st team in those years, That should be you enitre supporting argument, yet you only name players from 07' as if thatmakes any since at all.
In 96 Shaq got hurt in Preseason, Penny led the Magic to an almost perfect record at home that year he was dropping about 26 a game, and the Magic had thesecond best reord in the East, When Shaq came back Penny avg dropped some as he got other invoved and played more as a traditional point guard. The Magic'sRecord was actually better before Shaq came back. The Team finished with 60 wins and the 3rd best record in the NBA. And yes Penny was the second best guard inthe NBA in 96. He deserved to be on both all NBA first teams.
Dwyane Wade has put up comparible but superior stats on a good heat team the past 3 seasons and still has not made first team.
Sam Cassell put up 19, 7 and 3 , in 03/04 again 2nd team
TMac had 26, 7 and 4, in 00/01, 2nd team
________28, 6 and 5, in 03/04, 2nd team
________24, 5 and 6, in 06/07, 2nd team
paul pierce had 26, 7, and 4 in 02/03, 3rd team.
VC had 25, 6, and 4 in 06/07 and no all nba selection.
AI had 33, 3 and 7 in 05/06, 3rd team.
These players have nothing whatsoever to do with this thread. It's such a ridiculous point it's not even worth comparing the totlalydifferent eras. You may as well throw in Oscar Robertson and Jerry West stats in there as well for all the relevance it has. What on Earth does this have haveto do with what Penny did in the 90s? If you can't make a point beyond what can be googled in 2 mins about the games and time Penny played in pre-injuryrelative the other guard at that time you should at least remove was and change the titleto is overrated.
Also Penny Harday didn't get his own signature shoe until the start of his 3rd year by that time he already had been to the finals where he personallyplayed quite well, named and all-star and had been named to the NBA 1st team.
Originally Posted by PrinSe3
Homie do some research before you get at me wtih ridiculous statements like Tim Hardaway was a better scorer than payton... payton had 5 straight years of 20 plus at one point and dropped 25.8 one season now NEITHER of your scoring point guards accomplished this feat.
INCLUDING 3 FIRST TEAM ALL NBA.
Again, do some research.
Originally Posted by PrinSe3
Homie do some research before you get at me wtih ridiculous statements like Tim Hardaway was a better scorer than payton... payton had 5 straight years of 20 plus at one point and dropped 25.8 one season now NEITHER of your scoring point guards accomplished this feat.
To the guy who said Pippens overated u have no clue about the game of basketball Scottie Pippen created the modern small forward he was tha complete complimentry player on both ends of the floor athletic,great scorer,incrediable defender and he could handle the rock like a point and pass what are u talkin bout man?
1st of all reading is fundamental! What did you add to the conversation that hasn't already been said?!? None of this (which is all youropinion) refutes the fact that he was/is overrated... Again no one said he wasn't a good player, that has nothing to do with being overrated.
2nd I' m quite certain that I've forgotten more about the game of basketball than you'll ever know. Try coming up with some tangible facts tosupport your position. It won't change my opinion but it would make you seem alot smarter than just saying "Oh he was a great all-around player whocould score and play defense..." and "I had his shoes when I was a kid so he must have been the greatest..." argument.