They can't even win a gold medal in the world championships/olympics..
Your right the players are better now.
Oh my God, please stop watching basketball NOW.
And neither of the countries the two play on have ever taken the gold away from the USA. Their most recent loss came to friggin Greece who had no NBA players on their team whatsoever so YOUR argument makes ZERO sense.
Overall (which I guess would subsequently include his defense...) not saying he wasn't a very good defender and a pretty good player, but when dudes start throwing around "most complete player ever" it validates my point that he's overrated by many, IMO.
he not only has "no clue", but has disgraced himself and the game of basketball by even hinting that Scottie Pippen was even remotely close to being the greatest all around player of all time. Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan are rolling over in their graves and most of them aren't even dead yet...
With all due respect to Magic, he was NOWHERE near Pip's class in terms of D. Big O was before my time, but from what I understand he wasn't alock-down defender either. Pippen easily had a similar offensive skill set as those two guys. So compared to them, I'd have to give Pippen theedge for best ALL-AROUND player.
Russell & Stilt were both centers who had a different type of defensive game. So it's a bit unjust to compare Pip to those two. Even still, they werestrictly post defenders. You'd never catch them trying to guard a POINT GUARD on the perimiter.
Jordan wasn't as good a defender as Pip. He was damn good, but Pip was a more natural defender. Jordan was light years ahead of him offensively thoughwhich is why he'll always get that "best overall" title over Pippen.
And TD... solid all-around. But come on, he's not the first player that most people would say if you asked them "who's the best all-around playerof the past 20 years?". Cuz if anyone DID say Timmy, I'd say get off his sack and go watch the Dream. And then the Admiral.
For someone to be able to do what he did on BOTH sides of the ball, thats why he's one of the greats OVERALL. Thats my opinion though...
My opinion too.
isnt it even a little embarrasing to be so smug and sure of yourself when you're wrong?
I saw him play in his prime MANY times & he was NOT overrated.Originally Posted by NobleKane
wow...i agree with the two guys who said penny is overrated.
alot of you guys i have to@ i bet most of you werent even old enough to see him play and are just on the hype train because its "cool" to collect his shoes...
penny was overrated. he was good but not great... he should give half of his money to shaq and the other half to chris rock and nike...
and can someone please tell me this? in naming the 50 greatest players, did they include penny and grant hill in that list? it slips my memory right now... if they did,@ the nba
^^ To answer your question no Penny, nor Grant Hill were included on the top 50. Sadly, the highly overrated Scottie Pippen was...
Nah, I guess he probably deserved to be on that list. Those of you who support him are certainly entitled to your opinions. Doesn't make it gospel as manyof you would like to believe though.
Pippen played with MJ so there's alot of blind love, for those teams and the key players on those teams just b/c of the MJ association(then of course youhave the guys who think Pip made MJ)LMAO...anyway, Pip was a good player nothing more. You have to look no further than his years in Houston and Portland torealize he wasn't the player you guys would like to remember him as.
The "Greatest all-around player of all-time" should have been able to at least get to the NBA finals playing along side Charles Barkley and HakeemOlajuwon. Even on the down side of their careers...(I already hear the injury excuses coming)
He was part of an extremely talented Portland team and couldn't get it done, didn't take Bulls anywhere after MJ retired. Pouted about not getting thelast shot in a playoff game, watched as his team collapsed against a young Kobe and Shaq...
Put some of the players I mentioned ahead of him on the same teams, they at least make the finals and they probably win it all.
Pippen had one outstanding year and that was the year after MJ retired the 1st time, he probably should have won MVP. Can't deny him that one season butwhen you look at the breadth of his career, though very good, as much as Penny may have been a product of the Nike hype machine, Pippen is a product of the MJhype machine.
Doesn't mean both players weren't outstanding at various points in their career, but we're talking overrated not whether they were good/great ornot.
I'm done hijacking the thread just had to get that off my chest...
