Opioid Epidemic 'Getting Worse Instead of Better,' Public Health Officials Warn

[Jimmy Two Times]

Sounds like they put too much faith in already existing system of white supremacy to get it right. In that they are complicit (and a bit stupid forgetting history). At least they've owned up to their mistake.

Well we all know it was a mistake now. I'm just saying there was some black politicians and activists pushing for it. Also many were against it. I'm not for that ****.

I'm personally for harsh sentences for all drug traffickers (Not green) and rehabilitation for drug users charged with possession.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

You know it was also black politicians at federal and state levels that called for harsher sentences for crack because they seen what it was doing to their neighborhoods right ?

Also sentences for meth are very harsh. Meth users were always looked down upon just like crack users. They got no special treatment.

You don't have to believe it but opiates are different. Alot of people didn't start using opiates to get high. The pain medicine that alot of people are given is the exact same thing as Heroin. Plus alot of people are injecting it spreading diseases like aids and hep c unlike with crack.

Right. That's the same type of excuse Bill Cliton tried to make for the 3 strikes law. It's BS. I don't care if it was a few black politicians that was sellouts and went along. We not about to deflect, the main problem is the government is mostly white racist men. The court system is mostly white racist men. The criminalizing of black people during the crack era ain't close to how the government is babying white communities filled with pill poppers and meth addicts. Care and empathy for white people are the driving forces whenever they do criminal ****. Mass incarceration is a serious thing. The historical disproportionate sentencing of black people compared to white people has been a serious thing since the 1960's or 50's.

It's common sense

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/polit...chard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/index.html

http://www.drugpolicy.org/issues/race-and-drug-war

 

[trueprada]

 

[ahat]

Sounds like a drug dealer to me.

Some buy cars and houses, these ones contribute to expensive art


Lol @ philanthropic work

 

[Mark Antony]

****, Pablo had mad artwork too.

 

[ninjahood]

Oh word? Can we get some names to hold them accountable?

you may have heard of em, da Congressional black caucus wit Bill Clinton.

 

[ninjahood]

its like da 80's all over again.

 

[6pac]

there was no sympathy for our communities during the crack epidemic...

hard for me to emphasize now...

QFT

I seen something on a news site where they are changing the laws now that helps users and dealers where they won't go to jail for a long periods

When it happened in our communities they threw the book at us.

And on top of that they brought it to our doorsteps to begin with.

My condolences to anyone on here personally affected but it's disgusting the contrast in the treatment of the crack and heroin epidemics.

 

[getback]

The crack epidemic was approached predominantly as a criminal justice issue while the opioid epidemic has been largely recognized as "public health crisis." The government tried to prosecute their way out of the crack epidemic while the opioid epidemic has been showered with medical resources and the general public's sympathy.

It's no different than violence. 100 people could die over the course of a month in Chicago and you might hear about it. If there's a mass shooting in New England, you'll get a week's worth of around the clock coverage on every major outlet, along with hashtags, GoFundMe pages, celebrity tweets and memorial concerts.

 

[Jimmy Two Times]

And on top of that they brought it to our doorsteps to begin with.

Not true. There was a huge appetite for crack cocaine before the CIA started selling it. That's why they did it because they knew it was a booming business already. Also the CIA was only one of the many suppliers bringing it in.

 

[ahat]

Not sure if this **** called carfentanil is popping up down south, though i wouldnt be surprised.

"And last month, Durham Regional Police seized enough of the synthetic opioid — considered 100 times more potent than its derivative, fentanyl, and as much as 10,000 times stronger than morphine — to wipe out a small city."

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/carfentanil-the-drug-of-mass-destruction

Dude got caught with 53 kilos of the ****, street value 13mill, and like 30 burners. Smh

 

[wavycrocket]

Not true. There was a huge appetite for crack cocaine before the CIA started selling it. That's why they did it because they knew it was a booming business already. Also the CIA was only one of the many suppliers bringing it in.

Wish there was a way to dislike on here. You been on one these past few days. Peeped your rhetoric in the "NT is dead thread".....

White fragility is strong with you.

 

[hennessy]

Bmore got enough during looting to keep the streets fed for years.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Not sure if this **** called carfentanil is popping up down south, though i wouldnt be surprised.

"And last month, Durham Regional Police seized enough of the synthetic opioid — considered 100 times more potent than its derivative, fentanyl, and as much as 10,000 times stronger than morphine — to wipe out a small city."

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/carfentanil-the-drug-of-mass-destruction

Dude got caught with 53 kilos of the ****, street value 13mill, and like 30 burners. Smh

100 times more potent that fentanyl, though?

 

[ahat]

100 times more potent that fentanyl, though?

Crazy.

I been heard bout people importing all this synthetic BS from China but never this carfentanil stuff.

Apparently it's used to sedate large animals. Russians used it on Chechen hostage takers in 2002...killed them and the hostages (think only a couple survived) damn near instantly

 

[Sir San Diego]

Not true. There was a huge appetite for crack cocaine before the CIA started selling it. That's why they did it because they knew it was a booming business already. Also the CIA was only one of the many suppliers bringing it in.

That's an outright lie.

***3. Availability of Cocaine in South Central Los Angeles

Cocaine was a status drug for the wealthy in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was not widely used in South Central Los Angeles in 1980, principally because it was not affordable to many drug users...

...Cocaine is a commodity whose prices follow the same basic economic rules of supply and demand that apply to most products: when supply is abundant, prices fall; when there is scarcity, prices rise. At the beginning of the 1980s, the national wholesale price for a kilogram of cocaine hydrochloride ranged from $47,000 to $70,000. By the end of the 1980s, the national wholesale price dropped to between $10,000 and $38,000.(53) Despite huge seizures of cocaine like those discussed above, prices continued to drop in major cities throughout the 1980s. When huge seizures have no effect on street prices, it indicates that a large supply is still in circulation...

...It appears that sometime between 1983 and 1984, crack became a concern among law enforcement and medical health experts in South Central Los Angeles.***

All info quoted from:

https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch06p2.htm

Even the government isn't pushing that lie, but I guess you have some source that's more creditable, right? There's too much info out there for you to come in here with that bs.

 

[wavycrocket]

Bmore got enough during looting to keep the streets fed for years.

It's been some wars behind that too

 

[Mark Antony]

Wish there was a way to dislike on here. You been on one these past few days. Peeped your rhetoric in the "NT is dead thread".....

White fragility is strong with you.

Super strong. Yeah i'm just gonna block him.

 

[Jimmy Two Times]

That's an outright lie.

***3. Availability of Cocaine in South Central Los Angeles

Cocaine was a status drug for the wealthy in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was not widely used in South Central Los Angeles in 1980, principally because it was not affordable to many drug users...

...Cocaine is a commodity whose prices follow the same basic economic rules of supply and demand that apply to most products: when supply is abundant, prices fall; when there is scarcity, prices rise. At the beginning of the 1980s, the national wholesale price for a kilogram of cocaine hydrochloride ranged from $47,000 to $70,000. By the end of the 1980s, the national wholesale price dropped to between $10,000 and $38,000.(53) Despite huge seizures of cocaine like those discussed above, prices continued to drop in major cities throughout the 1980s. When huge seizures have no effect on street prices, it indicates that a large supply is still in circulation...

...It appears that sometime between 1983 and 1984, crack became a concern among law enforcement and medical health experts in South Central Los Angeles.***

All info quoted from:

https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch06p2.htm

Even the government isn't pushing that lie, but I guess you have some source that's more creditable, right? There's too much info out there for you to come in here with that bs.

"There are a number of sources, but the most prestigious one is the "Dark Alliance" series of Articles in 1996. A rather respected investigative journalist name Gary Webb examined the relationship between the Contras, Central American right-wing rebel groups active from 1979 to the early 1990's, and the CIA. Congress decided to not fund the attempted overthrow of foreign governments, but the CIA pretty clearly was involved in funding such groups by letting them use government assets to smuggle drugs. This was contemporaneous with the Iran-Contra scandal, a similar attempt to fund rebellion without relying on Congressionally appropriations.

Gary Web later published a book alleging that the CIA then specifically targeted black neighborhoods in Los Angeles in the late 70's as the end point of this plot line. People were, quite justifiably outraged. There were several investigations by the local police, state officials, and Congress itself. The Justice Department report indicated that there were two major drug dealers in Los Angeles who had close ties to the CIA and were probably supplied by CIA, they were not the ones to introduce crack cocaine nor were they the biggest dealers in the neighborhood. The House Select Committee Report disagreed, suggesting that while the two drug dealers in question did have tenuous contact with CIA-affiliated individuals (most notably a smugger that the CIA bailed out once) they mostly had Non-CIA suppliers and it was unclear how much of their drugs had come from CIA-related sources.

So, it is historical fact that the CIA did get into the drug trade during the 1970's and 1980's in Central America to help fund rebel groups in nations that were identified as communist and socialist. Much of those drugs ended up in the United States, the largest drug market at the time. Some individual dealers did have contact with the CIA, but the amount of drugs coming from these questionable sources was insignificant to the overall trend. Given that the CIA had been involved with Heroine smuggling from the end of the Second World War up until the Vietnam War and involvement in the production of LSD it's unclear that the CIA had any meaningful institutional control over where these drugs ended up.

The explosion in drugs and drug-related crime coincided with the CIA's foray into cocaine smuggling, which leads some to conclude a causational link. But, frankly, it's probably the other way around. The beginning of serious drug problems left a lot of "free money" laying around to be taken advantage of by bad actors in both espionage and organized crime. And the flooding of black communities with drugs and addicts merely meant that they were existing buyers for what the Contras were selling.

Gary Webb's assertion that the CIA introduced crack to black neighborhoods and those that the FBI was involved in flooding black communities with drugs were unfounded, and at best massive exaggerations of otherwise well documented and ultimately self-defeating initiatives by US intelligence services. Though, it does provide a rather useful method to shift blame for social problems to the US Government with just enough truth to it to be plausible. Though, it's probably untrue given the other embarrassing interventions in the drug trade we know that the CIA was involved in."

For further reading:

There is Cocaine Politics : Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America by one Peter Scott, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred McCoy, and the infamous (but not peer reviewed and not completely accurate) Dark Allianceby Gary Webb.

For a more general understanding of what the CIA has been up to you might want to read The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA by John Ranelagh.

Check what Gary Webbs editor Jerry Ceppos, who initially supported all of Webb's claims, wrote himself after an internal investigation of the "Dark Alliance" series.

https://web.archive.org/web/19971119070955/http://www.sjmercury.com/drugs/column051197.htm

 

[Sir San Diego]

"There are a number of sources, but the most prestigious one is the "Dark Alliance" series of Articles in 1996. A rather respected investigative journalist name Gary Webb examined the relationship between the Contras, Central American right-wing rebel groups active from 1979 to the early 1990's, and the CIA. Congress decided to not fund the attempted overthrow of foreign governments, but the CIA pretty clearly was involved in funding such groups by letting them use government assets to smuggle drugs. This was contemporaneous with the Iran-Contra scandal, a similar attempt to fund rebellion without relying on Congressionally appropriations.

Gary Web later published a book alleging that the CIA then specifically targeted black neighborhoods in Los Angeles in the late 70's as the end point of this plot line. People were, quite justifiably outraged. There were several investigations by the local police, state officials, and Congress itself. The Justice Department report indicated that there were two major drug dealers in Los Angeles who had close ties to the CIA and were probably supplied by CIA, they were not the ones to introduce crack cocaine nor were they the biggest dealers in the neighborhood. The House Select Committee Report disagreed, suggesting that while the two drug dealers in question did have tenuous contact with CIA-affiliated individuals (most notably a smugger that the CIA bailed out once) they mostly had Non-CIA suppliers and it was unclear how much of their drugs had come from CIA-related sources.

So, it is historical fact that the CIA did get into the drug trade during the 1970's and 1980's in Central America to help fund rebel groups in nations that were identified as communist and socialist. Much of those drugs ended up in the United States, the largest drug market at the time. Some individual dealers did have contact with the CIA, but the amount of drugs coming from these questionable sources was insignificant to the overall trend. Given that the CIA had been involved with Heroine smuggling from the end of the Second World War up until the Vietnam War and involvement in the production of LSD it's unclear that the CIA had any meaningful institutional control over where these drugs ended up.

The explosion in drugs and drug-related crime coincided with the CIA's foray into cocaine smuggling, which leads some to conclude a causational link. But, frankly, it's probably the other way around. The beginning of serious drug problems left a lot of "free money" laying around to be taken advantage of by bad actors in both espionage and organized crime. And the flooding of black communities with drugs and addicts merely meant that they were existing buyers for what the Contras were selling.

Gary Webb's assertion that the CIA introduced crack to black neighborhoods and those that the FBI was involved in flooding black communities with drugs were unfounded, and at best massive exaggerations of otherwise well documented and ultimately self-defeating initiatives by US intelligence services. Though, it does provide a rather useful method to shift blame for social problems to the US Government with just enough truth to it to be plausible. Though, it's probably untrue given the other embarrassing interventions in the drug trade we know that the CIA was involved in."

For further reading:

There is Cocaine Politics : Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America by one Peter Scott, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred McCoy, and the infamous (but not peer reviewed and not completely accurate) Dark Allianceby Gary Webb.

For a more general understanding of what the CIA has been up to you might want to read The Agency: The Rise and Decline of the CIA by John Ranelagh.

Check out what his editor Jerry Ceppos, who initially supported all of Webb's claims, wrote himself after an internal investigation of the series.

https://web.archive.org/web/19971119070955/http://www.sjmercury.com/drugs/column051197.htm

Bruh, you said crack was already huge when the CIA got involved, yet the CIA had been involved since the 70s and crack didn’t blow up until the mid 80s. *facepalm

 

[ahat]

"nearly half of America's largest cities is one quarter black, thats why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack"

 

[Jimmy Two Times]

Bruh, you said crack was already huge when the CIA got involved, yet the CIA had been involved since the 70s and crack didn’t blow up until the mid 80s. *facepalm

I'm talking about with Ricky Ross and stuff. When crack blew up in LA. When the CIA linked with him (Well their middle man did) crack was going nuts.

 

[Sir San Diego]

I'm talking about with Ricky Ross and stuff. When the CIA linked with him (Well their middle man did) crack was going nuts.

Except that wasn't your original claim. I'm good on the back and forth at this point. I get nothing out of debates. You were wrong. People see it.

 

[Jimmy Two Times]

"nearly half of America's largest cities is one quarter black, thats why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack"

It wasn't the CIA that invented crack buddy.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

The hell is this dude talking bout?

W/o the government allowing cocaine into the country YOU DON'T HAVE CRACK. CRACK COMES FROM COCAINE.


Which is why the laws on crack vs powder was clearly racial.