***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[migu420]

They can collect data from cell phones via 4 and 5g, and basically have a list of phone numbers in the area of specific towers.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Damn nobody's home I guess

Donny probably told Tiffany Trump to go outside and tell the protestors that her dad said he is not home.

Cause If they injure or kill her, at least Donny would feel like he didn't lose a loved one.

 

[Mark Antony]

Pardon my ignorance but can you expound on the cellular data piece of this post. I have a hunch but I wasn’t exactly sure why you recommended That he turn it off

If you are in the area you will be tracked. Best to go airplane mode till you are a safe distance away. Let someone else Livestream.

 

[Mark Antony]

Donny probably told Tiffany Trump to go outside and the protestors her dad said he is not home.

If they kill her, at least he did lose a loved one.

They treat Tiff like Meg Griffin.

 

[aepps20]

Over the past few months I have lost all respect I had for Bill de Blasio.

Dude is the real Mayor Clown. His son is biracial yet he still caping for the NYPD harder than Ninja.

 

[storm2006]

They can collect data from cell phones via 4 and 5g, and basically have a list of phone numbers in the area of specific towers.

If you are in the area you will be tracked. Best to go airplane mode till you are a safe distance away. Let someone else Livestream.

Thought so. What are the powers that be doing with this information? Are fines going to be handed out or something?

 

[IATT]

 

[migu420]

Thought so. What are the powers that be doing with this information? Are fines going to be handed out or something?

Since declaring antifa, who is indistinguishable from peaceful protesters, a domestic terrorist organization, they now have the authority to throw people in jail and try them as such. We might see raids on protest leaders, organizers, and participants before they can rally. Word of warning, this will probably threaten any speech and trigger the watchdog programs when it is spoken about on the internet, so please keep any expressions that could looked at as a threat on the low, for our safety as a public forum full of good people. Who knows how far this administration is willing to go, especially with its supporters feeling so gungho about ending this so called "coup", aka upcoming election.

 

[whywesteppin]

Thought so. What are the powers that be doing with this information? Are fines going to be handed out or something?

Many factors at play. I'll wildly speculate:

Pardons across the board could be a peace offering, which would also save law enforcement a lot of work. But law enforcement could prosecute, so they would use cell phone info, facial recognition, etc. to identify perpetrators.

Private companies and individuals could seek payments for damaged property. I wonder how these white teens from the burbs will react when their parents' assets are seized to make up for their looting.

It's really hard to say how it'll play out, and I don't know the details of all the legal issues involved, but patient and powerful companies could do a lot with security camera footage, cell phone tracking, etc. On the flip side, any police using excessive force are also risking prosecution, especially given the current climate, although I don't need to explain how imbalanced this is.

If only we had a president to step in and help restore some normalcy and justice.

edit: A lot of people aren't thinking this through. I'm talking about people like this, throwing it all away without even trying to be discreet about it:

Pair of Brooklyn lawyers including Ivy League corporate attorney charged in Molotov cocktail attack on NYPD cruiser

Two Brooklyn lawyers, including an Ivy League graduate corporate attorney, are facing federal charges over accusations they tossed a Molotov cocktail into an NYPD vehicle early Saturday morning dur…

www.nydailynews.com

 

[elpablo21]

 

[IATT]

 

[storm2006]

Since declaring antifa, who is indistinguishable from peaceful protesters, a domestic terrorist organization, they now have the authority to throw people in jail and try them as such. We might see raids on protest leaders, organizers, and participants before they can rally. Word of warning, this will probably threaten any speech and trigger the watchdog programs when it is spoken about on the internet, so please keep any expressions that could looked at as a threat on the low, for our safety as a public forum full of good people. Who knows how far this administration is willing to go, especially with its supporters feeling so gungho about ending this so called "coup", aka upcoming election.

Many factors at play. I'll wildly speculate:

Pardons across the board could be a peace offering, which would also save law enforcement a lot of work. But law enforcement could prosecute, so they would use cell phone info, facial recognition, etc. to identify perpetrators.

Private companies and individuals could seek payments for damaged property. I wonder how these white teens from the burbs will react when their parents' assets are seized to make up for their looting.

It's really hard to say how it'll play out, and I don't know the details of all the legal issues involved, but patient and powerful companies could do a lot with security camera footage, cell phone tracking, etc. On the flip side, any police using excessive force are also risking prosecution, especially given the current climate, although I don't need to explain how imbalanced this is.

If only we had a president to step in and help restore some normalcy and justice.

edit: A lot of people aren't thinking this through. I'm talking about people like this, throwing it all away without even trying to be discreet about it:

Thank you both for the clarification! Big Brother is out to play right now. That article about the lawyers is absolutely insane to me. One was furloughed and the other lost her job but sheesh. Stay safe everyone.

 

[whywesteppin]

Prison industrial complex, Jeff Bezos, and the NRA right now:

 

[QU!K]

Have u guys read the court documents for trump and Epstein written in exact detail what the president and Epstein did to that 13 year old girl. ?



This is the basic summary

Deposition notes from the alleged sexual assault of a 13 year old released by anonymous. Trump and Epstein told this girl that they would get her modeling career. Trump had met this girl three times before and Epstein then invited her and other minors to his New York residence for a party. They were promised various modeling contracts.

On the fourth encounter after the party, Trump exposed himself to the girl. He then held down the 13 yr old and forcibly raped her. She begged him to stop but he slapped her and told her he could do whatever he wanted.

After the rape he told the girl that if she ever told anybody, he family will be killed.

Epstein had met the girl once before. The second party he grabbed the girl and raped her anally and vaginally. She cried and he tried to punch her in the head. He was angry at the girl saying to her” I should have been the one to take your virginity not Trump”

She broke away and ran and he continued to issue threats against her family and that they will be killed if she told anyone.

Her deposition

 

[rexanglorum]

Pardon my ignorance but can you expound on the cellular data piece of this post. I have a hunch but I wasn’t exactly sure why you recommended That he turn it off

Your question was largely answered by migu420 and M Mark Antony I'd just say that there are basically two levels of precaution you'd want to take.

If you want total stealth, you do not take your phone with you. If you are not a leader of a demonstration and you want to obscure exactly where you were during a demonstration, you turn off wifi, to airplane mode and then turn the phone off. I told my nephew to do the second thing. If authorities really want to know who is at the protest, they'd know he was there me, him and his parents figured that the authorities won't target him.

Now if the political situation, in the future, gets worse and each and every person is targeted for having been at the 2020 George protests, we are all doomed at that point. My having been in the DSA and working in the Bernie campaign could be revealed and pursued by authorities. Many of my relatives and friends would be doomed as well most human beings in America and across the planet.

Given what we know about climate change, either we (the broader liberal-progressive-left coalition) wins or we're all doomed so if me, my leftist relatives and friends have to incur a mild risk to do or part to defeat fascism, so be it.

Since declaring antifa, who is indistinguishable from peaceful protesters, a domestic terrorist organization, they now have the authority to throw people in jail and try them as such. We might see raids on protest leaders, organizers, and participants before they can rally. Word of warning, this will probably threaten any speech and trigger the watchdog programs when it is spoken about on the internet, so please keep any expressions that could looked at as a threat on the low, for our safety as a public forum full of good people. Who knows how far this administration is willing to go, especially with its supporters feeling so gungho about ending this so called "coup", aka upcoming election.

As if it were not bad enough to label a group, that literally opposes fascism, a terrorist org; Trump wants to label a group,which formally has no members, a terrorist group. Anyone who doesn't support him is a terrorist, potentially.

 

[Wargames]

The way that law is made up and the way you’re talking in this thread........ **** man Trump really **** the bed..... I mean bunker.

I am going to call it and say there is a 25% chance Trump announces he isn’t running in November/steps down.

He’s a quitter at heart and honestly seeing all this he has to know he’s not getting re-elected. No one likes him except his fringe fans. in the last 48 hours he’s been accused as a Epstein Pedophile collaborator, had failed at handling massive Nationwide protest, and got every veteran group out there pissed at him. The writing is on the wall. Republicans as a party will start distancing themselves soon.

 

[IATT]

 

[AZwildcats]

Trump wants to label a group,which formally has no members, a terrorist group. Anyone who doesn't support him is a terrorist, potentially.

I literally don’t understand how this ANTIFA thing has gotten this far with the conservatives. it’s a group with nobody in it. They like Jordan out here just trying to find any excuse to form an enemy?

 

[rexanglorum]

I literally don’t understand how this ANTIFA thing has gotten this far with the conservatives. it’s a group with nobody in it. They like Jordan out here just trying to find any excuse to form an enemy?

Some of it is just what you said in your second sentence. Conservatism is about believing you are oppressed when all the material and political and legal realities say otherwise.

At the same time, there is more to that when it comes to Antifa. It inspires real terror even though no Antifa member has actually killed anyone. Recall that so much of right media's coverage of Antifa fixates on college campuses. The owners of big and small businesses, groups that tend to to be right wing, use some of their wealth to send their kids to college so that their kids can get good jobs in the professions or so that they can better justify their kids' taking over the business (you see, Brad has an MBA and that's why he gets to run the company after I retire. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's my son and the fact you John Q worker, who knows far more about this industry due to your 20 year tenure, don't get the job is due to your limited education).

The fear of Antifa is a fear of contagion among business owning conservatives who have college educated children. The fear is that their own child picked up revolutionary though when they were a university student and that they are secretly a member of Antifa.

Now, definitionally, no one actually joins or becomes a member of Antifa. That fact makes them more terrifying to right wing people. An Antifa could materialize out of no where. The idea of an Antifa being your own family is so strong that this demonstrably false conspiracy theory had major purchase among conservatives a few years ago

My dad is rightwing and his bourgeois money sent me and my siblings to school. We have some very spirited debates and I proudly tell him that I campaigned for Bernie or that I'm a communist or that I am a member of the DSA. That's all good. What I do not tell him is that when I was visited a friend up in the Bay Area, I put on black and fought Proud Boys. I dare not tell him that I have friends who are known to wear black and fight with fascists and that his grandson is staying with them for a few days. A man with early stage dementia and heart disease is not well served to think that his sons or grandson will, at any moment don black and butcher him. Obvious, we'd never do such a thing but the idea of my dad's ill gotten wealth spent on education turning his own progeny into his own death is so ghoulish and poetic that it haunts many a Fox News viewer.

In so many ways, an organization like Antifa ought to be the perfect and most effective sort of terrorist group. It creates terror among some of society's most powerful and privileged people. Antifa has no leadership to be decapitated. Furthermore, Antifa can be assumed to project power within the safety and most intimate of space for the ruling class. And yet, it is not powerful nor effective at all because it does not kill anyone important nor does it have the leadership who could entreat with the American state's most powerful citizens and demand concessions for the left. Instead Antifa is the ideal enemy for reactionary elements. It is as terrifying as the most powerful terrorist groups imaginable yet it will never demand anything from the existing power structure.

 

[migu420]

I literally don’t understand how this ANTIFA thing has gotten this far with the conservatives. it’s a group with nobody in it. They like Jordan out here just trying to find any excuse to form an enemy?

Trump is their protest, and without actual injustices to stand against, thst feeling of fighting for something important gets complacent. So they sprinkle some rhetoric about something they know their base feels strongest about, like a person of color rightfully "spying" on their leader and making it seem like they are being treated as second class citizens to stoke the flames of their so called injustices of having to live amongst so much turmoil due to what these immigrants and people of color bring. This is being played out slowly, and will continue until he is out of office, but the scars and damage created from trying to breath life into a dying movement only emboldens those who feel their self appointed supremacy is fading. He is and always had it all on the table, which is why his people love him. He will not concede, which im sure his base would love to help fight for him and carry their beliefs into the future. This is dangerous grounds we are entering, i suspect there will be escalating violence toward protesters from trump supporters, and these evil people will be treated as heros by the scum whod rather die than see a minority or woman hold more power than themself.

 

[dwalk31]

Some of it is just what you said in your second sentence. Conservatism is about believing you are oppressed when all the material and political and legal realities say otherwise.

At the same time, there is more to that when it comes to Antifa. It inspires real terror even though no Antifa member has actually killed anyone. Recall that so much of right media's coverage of Antifa fixates on college campuses. The owners of big and small businesses, groups that tend to to be right wing, use some of their wealth to send their kids to college so that their kids can get good jobs in the professions or so that they can better justify their kids' taking over the business (you see, Brad has an MBA and that's why he gets to run the company after I retire. It has nothing to do with the fact that he's my son and the fact you John Q worker, who knows far more about this industry due to your 20 year tenure, don't get the job is due to your limited education).

The fear of Antifa is a fear of contagion among business owning conservatives who have college educated children. The fear is that their own child picked up revolutionary though when they were a university student and that they are secretly a member of Antifa.

Now, definitionally, no one actually joins or becomes a member of Antifa. That fact makes them more terrifying to right wing people. An Antifa could materialize out of no where. The idea of an Antifa being your own family is so strong that this demonstrably false conspiracy theory had major purchase among conservatives a few years ago

My dad is rightwing and his bourgeois money sent me and my siblings to school. We have some very spirited debates and I proudly tell him that I campaigned for Bernie or that I'm a communist or that I am a member of the DSA. That's all good. What I do not tell him is that when I was visited a friend up in the Bay Area, I put on black and fought Proud Boys. I dare not tell him that I have friends who are known to wear black and fight with fascists and that his grandson is staying with them for a few days. A man with early stage dementia and heart disease is not well served to think that his sons or grandson will, at any moment don black and butcher him. Obvious, we'd never do such a thing but the idea of my dad's ill gotten wealth spent on education turning his own progeny into his own death is so ghoulish and poetic that it haunts many a Fox News viewer.

In so many ways, an organization like Antifa ought to be the perfect and most effective sort of terrorist group. It creates terror among some of society's most powerful and privileged people. Antifa has no leadership to be decapitated. Furthermore, Antifa can be assumed to project power within the safety and most intimate of space for the ruling class. And yet, it is not powerful nor effective at all because it does not kill anyone important nor does it have the leadership who could entreat with the American state's most powerful citizens and demand concessions for the left. Instead Antifa is the ideal enemy for reactionary elements. It is as terrifying as the most powerful terrorist groups imaginable yet it will never demand anything from the existing power structure.

You seem to have a great deal of knowledge on Antifa. Is there a significant difference between Antifa and what I assume is the anarchist flag in your avi?

If that is a different flag, excuse my ignorance.

 

[migu420]

Seems like just yesterday when people were screaming anarchy because the president was a Muslim terrorist sent to destroy the country, take their guns away, and make them pay for illegals and other minorities health care. But that was different, i guess.

 

[everysingletime]

This is just nuts bros

 

[gry60]

Death by a thousand cuts?

 

[junglejim]

Death by a thousand cuts?

I said this before and I'll say it again, now is a catastrophic time to start a trade war back up with China. Its absolutely terrible policy and its going to lead to further defaults in all industries and additional unemployment. All this president knows how to do is stoke fear, anger, and hatred.