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The narcissist playbook. Deny what others say. Insist that everyone else is actually the problem.
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dwalk31
since you claim criminal justice reform is such a big issue for you, I am sure you are outraged by this news, and affect your decision in November, right?...https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21124047/trump-speech-sotu-criminal-justice-record
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As I defer to Rusty on economics, I will defer to you with analyses of the DSM
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Also, that's a strawman argument. There are multiple ways to execute tax cuts, trickle-down is the most extreme version. Higher taxes can in fact result in an overall cost decrease for the average American if it is used to lower the cost of other expenses such as healthcare.
It is asinine to look at taxes in a vaccuum. Less tax good, more tax bad is archaic thinking.
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https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21124047/trump-speech-sotu-criminal-justice-record
Awful on the Department of Justice if true. I couldn’t imagine being a prosecutor smdh.
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Even if true, this is a losing argument to voters, imo. But we will see in November.
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Don't you mean awful on Trump as well, right?
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Unless I missed something that article was about William Barr and the justice department.
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So now after all this the DOJ is now somehow independent from Trump. You really want people to buy that Barr is doing this against the wishing of Trump?
Please don't try to insult my intelligence like this.
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See you’re adding that one little piece that wasn’t in the article...at the direction of Trump.
You literally just made that up.
I thought the justice department was independent of the White House. Is that not the case?
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Young CHUD: Economics says low taxes are always good and raising minimum wage is bad. Liberals like AOC should learn Economics
The young CHUD learns that AOC took more economics classes then him and that the economics professoriate is to the left of the median voters
Young CHUD: Economics is all theory. What's important is that my dad said that minimum wage is bad for his employees at the company I work at.
The young CHUD learns that AOC took more economics classes then him and that the economics professoriate is to the left of the median voters
Young CHUD: Economics is all theory. What's important is that my dad said that minimum wage is bad for his employees at the company I work at.
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Thats why I defer to the infinite wisdom of Rusty in matters of economics.
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It is so interesting how as soon as the the black liberal left the oval office conservatives warmed up to deficit spending, stopping austerity, and keeping interest rates low.
It is like they are using the same policies the attacked liberals for advocating for, to prop up this economy, and to cover up the facts their right wing economic policies don't work.
It is like they are using the same policies the attacked liberals for advocating for, to prop up this economy, and to cover up the facts their right wing economic policies don't work.
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^exactly , **** is maddening
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I know you are trolling but conservatives really need to stop the struggle libertarian economics and crony capitalism. Listen to liberal progressives on economics because if **** doesn't turn around soon the economic collapse will happen in our lifetime. And the only acceptable economic systems to people after that will be full blown socialism. And communist will have a say in things too.
After that you, me and
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all gonna be on the same farm co-op, picking avacadoes, calling each other comrade. I know I can handle that, but I know your *** gonna be miserable because the group interest, and public ownership, won't allow you to get a second hunt to use as a rental property.So yeah, you conservatives really need to starting embracing da New Kenyesian Economics now before it is too late.
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Or we could chop off all their heads like the French did... just saying.
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****, Trump has even lobbied the Feds to go into negative interest rate territory like some parts of the EU.
Anytime you can cut taxes and lower interest rates in response to a "booming" economy so when we do eventually go into a recession we have absolutely zero tools at our disposal to increase and incentive spending you have to do it. Its simple economics
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I know you are trolling but conservatives really need to stop the struggle libertarian economics and crony capitalism. Listen to liberal progressives on economics because if **** doesn't turn around soon the economic collapse will happen in our lifetime. And the only acceptable economic systems to people after that will be full blown socialism. And communist will have a say in thing too.
After that you me and
So yeah, you conservatives really need to starting embracing da New Kenyesian Economics now before it is too late.
Who’s trolling now?
But the issue on the left is messaging.
Let’s say I’m with you on the math.
The groups I’m in are like okay... we benefit personally for another 4 years. When the various bubbles burst we can come in and buy in low. Rinse. Repeat.
Is that line of thinking wrong from a numbers perspective?
I guess that is the question and I don’t think the left does a very good job of explaining another alternative. The sky is falling routine is old.
And the utopian promises either 1) seem like they would take longer than 4-8 years to achieve; or 2) be met with gridlock in congress.
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Get the **** out of here, the average middle class families tax bill went down $1,050 a year or about $20 a paycheck per wage earner. That's considering only individuals who claimed the standard deduction on their 2017 tax returns. People who live in states where property and state taxes are much higher than the rest of the nation got hammered by the new law's cap of a $10,000 for SALT related deductions. If you itemized prior to 2018, it is likely that your tax bill didn't go down much if any at all. Mine went down $450 because I itemized in previous years.
Additionally people who filed head of household also got screwed because they didn't get an increase in their standard deduction from prior year, but lost any exemptions for any qualifying dependents.
The only people who got a real benefit from the tax cuts were the rich and corporations. Even the stuff that was supposed to pay for the tax cuts like the implementation of Global Low Taxed Intangible Income was drafted under an incredibly flawed understanding of the tax law because the basic assumption was all companies who have subsidiaries in foreign jurisdictions do so for the sole purpose of evading US tax which simply is not true. In practice, most of the revenue raisers that they put in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act ended up getting offset by a Foreign Derived Intangible Income deduction which republicans vastly underestimated the potential impact.
If the tax cuts were so great for the average person they wouldn't be talking about doing it again.
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Messaging? How about people educate themselves? Oh college is too expensive? How about we make it affordable? Oh taxes would have to be increased? Slash wasteful spending instead!
But no, conservatives have been brainwashed from decades of propaganda and willful ignorance. Anybody getting educated outside the coal mines makes them a liberal elitist and cant be trusted, and anybody with an (R) next to their name is the only ones who can be trusted because they say so. And here we are in the nth iteration of trickle down economics, seeing it fail worse and worse every time. BUT DA COFFERS IS BOOMING. **** that, tell the coffers to pay you a living wage once your truck is automated and you're out of a job. Or your manufacturing job that was promised to you by the president just doesn't show up in your small Wisconsin town.
BuT wE bEnEfIt FoR tHe NeXt FoUr YeArS.
Do you? Do you see wage growth outpacing the cost of living? Good for you! Me too! But the majority of people in the country DONT. Including those closest to me. So when Donald tells everybody the economy is THE GREATEST ever, we dont believe him. Because we're rational and we understand simple economics. But too many people dont, including almost all of his uneducated supporter base. So what do they do? Ignore educated people who deliver clear and concise messaging, and reelect a ******* king moron.
But no, conservatives have been brainwashed from decades of propaganda and willful ignorance. Anybody getting educated outside the coal mines makes them a liberal elitist and cant be trusted, and anybody with an (R) next to their name is the only ones who can be trusted because they say so. And here we are in the nth iteration of trickle down economics, seeing it fail worse and worse every time. BUT DA COFFERS IS BOOMING. **** that, tell the coffers to pay you a living wage once your truck is automated and you're out of a job. Or your manufacturing job that was promised to you by the president just doesn't show up in your small Wisconsin town.
BuT wE bEnEfIt FoR tHe NeXt FoUr YeArS.
Do you? Do you see wage growth outpacing the cost of living? Good for you! Me too! But the majority of people in the country DONT. Including those closest to me. So when Donald tells everybody the economy is THE GREATEST ever, we dont believe him. Because we're rational and we understand simple economics. But too many people dont, including almost all of his uneducated supporter base. So what do they do? Ignore educated people who deliver clear and concise messaging, and reelect a ******* king moron.
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