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"I don't think we can label someone a rapist until they are proven guilty of rape" is exactly the type of conflation of legal and pedestrian terms and circumstances that I've been highlighting. Someone should not be convicted of rape until they are proven guilty. Someone should not be sentenced to prison for rape until they are proven guilty. But, again, those things are not what we are talking about here. You know, this, I know this, and everyone else in here knows this now if it wasn't already apparent before.

So, again, your question rests on a faulty premise. Do you acknowledge this? Particularly since you've already stated that you don't actually believe that a criminal conviction is needed to ascertain an impression of guilt in your capacity as a civilian. In other words, you and everyone else can make their own personal (non-legal) judgments about Roy Moore's guilt or innocence even in the absence of a criminal court adjudication. At the end of the day, you agree with this, correct?

I don't mind answering your questions, I just want to establish that we're on the same page in terms of some basic understandings before I do so.

Im not sure we are saying different things. But maybe we are. You are saying that I am conflating legal terms with pedestrian terms (whatever that means).

I think that rape is a legal standard, period.

Creep, predator, advancing rape culture, etc., not legal standards.

But I do not think you can call someone a rapist until they are proven guilty. This obviously is not the case if you personally witnessed or experienced said rape.

So applying that standard to what I’ve mentioned, do you disagree? Do you think it’s cool to call someone a rapist that hasn’t been proven guilty of rape?

And following that logic, call someone a rapist supporter for saying they think someone is innocent, of rape, until proven guilty?
 
And following that logic, call someone a rapist supporter for saying they think someone is innocent, of rape, until proven guilty?
I’m gonna assume that -Red- -Red- didn’t witness when this whole thing initially started. It’s important to give him a clear picture of what actually happened.

You didn’t just say you think someone is innocent until proven guilty. You were adamant that anyone who dared to have opinions about Roy Moore and the alleged victims were in support of eroding due process.

You continue to compare people that have thoughts about the situation to Donald Trump calling for the execution of the Central Park Five.
 
I’m gonna assume that -Red- -Red- didn’t witness when this whole thing initially started. It’s important to give him a clear picture of what actually happened.

You didn’t just say you think someone is innocent until proven guilty. You were adamant that anyone who dared to have opinions about Roy Moore and the alleged victims were in support of eroding due process.

You continue to compare people that have thoughts about the situation to Donald Trump calling for the execution of the Central Park Five.

Having an opinion on the Roy Moore accusations and calling Roy Moore a rapist are different. Calling me a rapist supporter as a result doesn’t even make sense.

I don’t bring up the Central Park 5 comparison, others do when they post that Bring Back the Death Penalty article. That same logic—of presuming someone guilty until they prove themselves innocent—is illustrated in the Central Park 5 case. And, as I’ve stated, that erosion of due process doesn’t typically work out too well for people that look like me.
 
Having an opinion on the Roy Moore accusations and calling Roy Moore a rapist are different. Calling me a rapist supporter as a result doesn’t even make sense.

I don’t bring up the Central Park 5 comparison, others do when they post that Bring Back the Death Penalty article. That same logic—of presuming someone guilty until they prove themselves innocent—is illustrated in the Central Park 5 case. And, as I’ve stated, that erosion of due process doesn’t typically work out too well for people that look like me.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:. Yet you are never in threads where the due process rights of people that look like you are discussed. Do you look like Roy Moore?
 

Wonder if I should post this in the ECONOMY IS BOOMING thread

Yeah, the numbers are little different from the 2016 numbers. Job creation for the year came in a tad under that of 2016. GDP and wage growth not much different than when Obama left office. The sacred labor participation rate is up a smidge since 2016, and economists are projecting a GDP growth of 1.5 % in 2020.

In 2016 these numbers were tepid. Today they are booming...
 
I remember when labor participation rate was the one thing that mattered to Pubs under Obama

:rofl:

da U3 is a fake number, da fact that your citing "talking points" basically concedes that da real numbers are in da crapper.

:rofl: da fed just dropped even thinking bout raising da interest rates, plus da fact that labor participation rate is at a RECORD low...yeah b..**** is definitely hittin da fan.

lol
 
Im not sure we are saying different things. But maybe we are. You are saying that I am conflating legal terms with pedestrian terms (whatever that means).

I think that rape is a legal standard, period.

Creep, predator, advancing rape culture, etc., not legal standards.

But I do not think you can call someone a rapist until they are proven guilty. This obviously is not the case if you personally witnessed or experienced said rape.

So applying that standard to what I’ve mentioned, do you disagree? Do you think it’s cool to call someone a rapist that hasn’t been proven guilty of rape?

And following that logic, call someone a rapist supporter for saying they think someone is innocent, of rape, until proven guilty?
So now we've circled back to the notion that a civilian can't have an opinion on someone's guilt unless there's a criminal conviction (or unless it happened to you or you personally witnessed it)—they have to believe that someone is innocent until it's decided in a court that they're not.

This is not what you've stated just recently in your own posts and, again, the entire premise is preposterous on its face. So I can't answer your question because you're being inconsistent in a way that precludes any common understanding of the parameters of the topic being discussed.
 
So now we've circled back to the notion that a civilian can't have an opinion on someone's guilt unless there's a criminal conviction (or unless it happened to you or you personally witnessed it)—they have to believe that someone is innocent until it's decided in a court that they're not.

This is not what you've stated just recently in your own posts and, again, the entire premise is preposterous on its face. So I can't answer your question because you're being inconsistent in a way that precludes any common understanding of the parameters of the topic being discussed.

Ok
 
I’m gonna assume that -Red- -Red- didn’t witness when this whole thing initially started. It’s important to give him a clear picture of what actually happened.

You didn’t just say you think someone is innocent until proven guilty. You were adamant that anyone who dared to have opinions about Roy Moore and the alleged victims were in support of eroding due process.

You continue to compare people that have thoughts about the situation to Donald Trump calling for the execution of the Central Park Five.
Yeah, this thread moves so fast and depending on what's happening in my life I might not be in here for a week or two at a time. And then the waters are so muddied at this point that it's tough to even ascertain what exactly is being discussed sometimes. That's what I was trying to do in this recent exchange, is try to at least clarify how things have been muddied to try to cut through the ********. Although I realize this is a rather Herculean task given the circumstances :lol:
 
dwalk31 dwalk31 ....how you like your $ going directly to Trump’s properties? :lol:

****** is literally taking your tax dollars for you and funneling them to his bank account. Old school grift.

Haven’t too much thought about it. So I guess I don’t mind.

Have you ever stayed at a Trump property? Politics aside, they are nice and priced like other similarly-situated hotels
 
Haven’t too much thought about it. So I guess I don’t mind.

Have you ever stayed at a Trump property? Politics aside, they are nice and priced like other similarly-situated hotels

:lol at being happy about Tax cuts....then at the same time “not minding” about your Tax Dollars going to a“billionaire” President to enrich him. Stunning

And no you your second question.
 
:lol: at being happy about Tax cuts....then at the same time “not minding” about your Tax Dollars going to a“billionaire” President to enrich him. Stunning

And no you your second question.

Seems I’d logically care more if the taxes were increased.

As to your answer, you should certainly try the Trump Hotel in Chicago.
 
DWalk got money to stay at Trump properties but needed a tax cuts to afford a rental property. :lol:

Sounds like someone looking for a government handout instead of pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Affording rental properties has nothing to do with the tax cuts... but you know that.

The issue with that was/is the barriers due to older white people being grandfathered in and allowed to rent units whereas newer buyers are restricted from renting under the relevant HOAs.
 
Dwalk doesn’t care if trump is enriching himself and family via the presidency as long as he gets to eat too. :lol:

While I often disagree with your characterizations at least you give somewhat accurate criticisms
 
Affording rental properties has nothing to do with the tax cuts... but you know that.

The issue with that was/is the barriers due to older white people being grandfathered in and allowed to rent units whereas newer buyers are restricted from renting under the relevant HOAs.
And how has Trump changed those conditions.
 
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