***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Belgium]

Let me get this right...

On the one hand, some are quick to remind anyone who'd listen that Clinton won the popular vote. And as such, 45* not only is illegitimate because of foreign election interference, years of racist gerrymandering, and an electoral college system designed, in part, to protect a slaveocracy. He is illegitimate because he does not have the popular will of the people.

On the other hand, some of those same folks want to dismiss the 6,000+ votes cast for Sanders over the next guy. 97% is too close to call, they say, and the 6,000 number more ambiguous than it seems.

Now granted, 2.8 million is way more than 6,000. But either the minute percentage difference and the popular vote advantage counts for something all the time, or it doesn't count at all.

It would be nice to wait for some official certification. But that misses the ways in which these percentages are hardly neutral. Indeed, part of the delay in even crowning a victor is that the results weren't the ones certain interest groups were hoping for. We're missing the ways in which political actors are masturbating to slight percentages to blunt Sanders' momentum. We're also missing the ways in which Sanders is using the popular vote tally to claim legitimacy. But in either case, the numbers are political.

For the record, Sanders won.

Nobody has won yet. 97% is insufficient to call the race with such a small margin between Pete and Bernie.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Goonberg is now running ads featuring Obama.

he such a piece of ****. I know he’s gonna pull some of the black vote with that, but hopefully he’ll just split the moderate vote with Biden and make room for somebody else

 

[dwalk31]

he such a piece of ****. I know he’s gonna pull some of the black vote with that, but hopefully he’ll just split the moderate vote with Biden and make room for somebody else

Biden is gone after NH

 

[elpablo21]

 

[obeahmyal7]

Is this post directed at me?

Nah, bruv. You know I'd @ or quote you directly. I'm not with the passive attacks.

It was 1). largely a reaction to Tom Perez and the call for a re-canvas. and 2). directed towards any fellow Sanders supporters and/or folks leaning towards Sanders looking for a way to relate to the numbers game.

 

[IATT]

I didn’t know IATT was from the Bahamas... but now that I know I won’t say/imply that he’s white.

although our country’s population is overwhelmingly black, we do have Bahamians of other races

just like all trump supporters may not be racist, but 100% are at the least condoning of racism

also I’ve stated specifically to you, numerous times, that I am Bahamian

 

[RustyShackleford]

Da **** is wrong this man

 

[IATT]

 

[dwalk31]

also I’ve stated specifically to you, numerous times, that I am Bahamian

Like I said, when I wrote that post it was off an assumption. If you told me that at some point in the past, charge it to my head and not my heart.

 

[obeahmyal7]

Nobody has won yet. 97% is insufficient to call the race with such a small margin between Pete and Bernie.

Help me understand the stakes. What is at stake in waiting for the final 3%? Is it about the integrity of a race? Is it that there is a chance that upon counting all the votes, either Pete or Sanders will pick up an additional state delegate or, will possess the same delegates? And what of the popular initial vote?

 

[dwalk31]

That can’t be real

 

[dwalk31]

Da **** is wrong this man

Yea the speech was all over the place. That said, that’s how he ran and it is what the voters have come to expect from him. Nothing too shocking.

 

[heelsandeers]

Da **** is wrong this man

frontotemporal dementia

 

[Mark Antony]

There's no way they dont have a proper document disposal system.

 

[IATT]

That can’t be real

 

[Belgium]

Help me understand the stakes. What is at stake in waiting for the final 3%? Is it about the integrity of a race? Is it that there is a chance that upon counting all the votes, either Pete or Sanders will pick up an additional state delegate or, will possess the same delegates? And what of the popular initial vote?

Look at these tiny margins. What is at stake in waiting for the final 3% is accuracy. The race isn't being called yet because of that uncertainty.
Bernie can still come out ahead.

 

[Belgium]

There's no way they dont have a proper document disposal system.

Speaking of paper, this reminded me of one of the most absurd reports about the Trump Administration. Trump didn't care about complying with the law and kept destroying documents that were supposed to be reserved under the Presidential Records Act. In order to keep Trump from successfully violating the law, aides were tasked with taping the torn up papers back together so they could be preserved.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164
Meet the guys who tape Trump's papers back together
The president's unofficial 'filing system' involves tearing up documents into pieces, even when they're supposed to be preserved.

 

[dwalk31]

Was talking about the writing on the speech

 

[obeahmyal7]

Look at these tiny margins. What is at stake in waiting for the final 3% is accuracy. The race isn't being called yet because of that uncertainty.

Accuracy For accuracy’s sake, or because, upon waiting for the remaining 3%, either candidate could pick up an additional delegate?

 

[RustyShackleford]

The delegate count determines the official winner. So we have to wait until every is counted, and in this case checked, before an official winner can be declared.

 

[Belgium]

Accuracy For accuracy’s sake, or because, upon waiting for the remaining 3%, either candidate could pick up an additional delegate?

I don't understand what your issue is with waiting for the final tally. Nobody wants a possible scenario where they call the race for Pete already and then Bernie ends up actually winning.

 

[wavycrocket]

Wicked

 

[Belgium]

Partnered with a Parnas/Fruman co-conspirator under indictment for illegally funneling foreign money to Republican politicians and groups on behalf of a Russian national...
Yikes

 

[elpablo21]

Heh, and I would have thought applying to be a Fox News researcher that perpetuating such disinformation and propaganda would be in the job duties

 

[gry60]

I mean it wasn't latin american communist death squads running rampant in latin america for the half of the 20th century. I wouldn't consider that knock against him and it's perfectly on brand with his foreign policy. It might land him in hot water with some jingoists but I wouldn't consider communists in latin america to be bad guys considering the US's history in the region. The same goes for the Iran hostage situation....

The problem is not that you are right; the problem is that most of America doesn't know you are right. Does the Left have the capacity to saturate the airwaves with this version of events to counter the narrative that the Right will propagate on Fox News and right wing radio and YouTube and Facebook? Is there a Cambridge Analytica for the Left?