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- Dec 23, 2009
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God can you imagine what's going to happen when other voters find out Pete's gay?? Man, it's crazy he's hiding this fact about himself. No mention EVER of his husband... or his historic run.. or his marginalization throughout his life... or the maybe 500 times I've heard him mentioned by pundits as "diversifying the field." Look at him. Only ONE way that he could be diversifying this field of candidates and it's not his age.
Shame on that bigot.
- Jan 12, 2013
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Analysis of the 5th installment of released Mueller probe 302s: (I left out B7A redactions that seemed to refer to Roger Stone)
Right off the bat we can see that some requested pages were withheld entirely, not even with redactions. Unclear what those pages are or from which interview they came from.
This is where a Reince Priebus 302 ends, then there's a gap with pages missing.
The next entry is the start of a James Rybicki 302, Comey's former Chief of Staff.
I believe these withheld pages are most likely pages from an unspecified 302. It's possible that it could be pages from the Reince Priebus 302 but the last page before the gap seemed like an end to that Priebus 302. Only a quarter of the page was filled.
B7A makes it first appearance in the 302s. In this Rick Gates 302, there is a redaction at the very bottom due to an ongoing proceeding. When Gates was sentenced in mid-December last year, I recall prosecutors and Gates stating that he would continue to cooperate in at least one ongoing investigation.
As my analysis of the previous installments of Mueller 302s showed, the B7A exemption popped up a lot in Manafort's 302s, showing Manafort is at the center of at least one ongoing investigation.
Another set of B7A redactions here. Rick Gates was being questioned about something having to do with potential overpayments to Lewandowski.
Another B7A redaction, yet again in a Rick Gates 302. This man was a very prolific cooperator, that's for sure.
This appears to have something to do with finances and Paul Manafort.
Another B7A redaction from a...you guessed it, Rick Gates 302. This one appears to center around Konstantin Kilimnik and his relationship with Oleg Deripaska and Manafort.
OB stands for Opposition Bloc, the pro-Russia Ukrainian political party Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik used to work for.
Another Rick Gates 302, another B7A redaction. This one appears to involve Kilimnik again and activities in Ukraine.
The streak continues. It appears to center around financial activities from work in Ukraine.
Yet another Rick Gates 302. The B7A redactions here clearly indicate that Manafort plays a key role in this ongoing investigation.
Interesting. Gates was asked about deletion of documents, followed by a large redaction.
This one is about the Hapsburg Group, Manafort's secret lobbying group. Perhaps prosecutors are looking at potential FARA violations by the other members.
The next B7A redaction shows up in a Tom Barrack 302. Unsurprisingly, Manafort appears to be a key player in this reference to an ongoing investigation.
Interesting B7A redaction here, still from the Tom Barrack 302.
I'm not sure what exactly this is about, though evidently it has something to do with Manafort and Gates.
Something to do with an ad purchase and potential kickbacks to Manafort?
Another series of B7A exemptions in the Barrack 302, all involving Paul Manafort. Appears to relate to some kind of business proposal between Manafort and Barrack's company Colony.
Interesting. This B7A redaction has something to do with Kushner's use of the Colony office during the transition. A conference meeting with Sergey Gorkov is mentioned. Gorkov is the chairman of Russia's VEB Bank. Very interesting that this somehow relates to an ongoing investigation.
Not sure what this is about.
Looks like Erik Prince is relevant to an ongoing investigation.
Odd B7A redaction here in this Michael Caputo (Roger Stone associate) 302.
Another B7A redaction involving Manafort somehow, from a Rick Dearborn 302.
Right off the bat we can see that some requested pages were withheld entirely, not even with redactions. Unclear what those pages are or from which interview they came from.
This is where a Reince Priebus 302 ends, then there's a gap with pages missing.
The next entry is the start of a James Rybicki 302, Comey's former Chief of Staff.
I believe these withheld pages are most likely pages from an unspecified 302. It's possible that it could be pages from the Reince Priebus 302 but the last page before the gap seemed like an end to that Priebus 302. Only a quarter of the page was filled.
B7A makes it first appearance in the 302s. In this Rick Gates 302, there is a redaction at the very bottom due to an ongoing proceeding. When Gates was sentenced in mid-December last year, I recall prosecutors and Gates stating that he would continue to cooperate in at least one ongoing investigation.
As my analysis of the previous installments of Mueller 302s showed, the B7A exemption popped up a lot in Manafort's 302s, showing Manafort is at the center of at least one ongoing investigation.
Another set of B7A redactions here. Rick Gates was being questioned about something having to do with potential overpayments to Lewandowski.
Another B7A redaction, yet again in a Rick Gates 302. This man was a very prolific cooperator, that's for sure.
This appears to have something to do with finances and Paul Manafort.
Another B7A redaction from a...you guessed it, Rick Gates 302. This one appears to center around Konstantin Kilimnik and his relationship with Oleg Deripaska and Manafort.
OB stands for Opposition Bloc, the pro-Russia Ukrainian political party Manafort, Gates and Kilimnik used to work for.
Another Rick Gates 302, another B7A redaction. This one appears to involve Kilimnik again and activities in Ukraine.
The streak continues. It appears to center around financial activities from work in Ukraine.
Yet another Rick Gates 302. The B7A redactions here clearly indicate that Manafort plays a key role in this ongoing investigation.
Interesting. Gates was asked about deletion of documents, followed by a large redaction.
This one is about the Hapsburg Group, Manafort's secret lobbying group. Perhaps prosecutors are looking at potential FARA violations by the other members.
The next B7A redaction shows up in a Tom Barrack 302. Unsurprisingly, Manafort appears to be a key player in this reference to an ongoing investigation.
Interesting B7A redaction here, still from the Tom Barrack 302.
I'm not sure what exactly this is about, though evidently it has something to do with Manafort and Gates.
Something to do with an ad purchase and potential kickbacks to Manafort?
Another series of B7A exemptions in the Barrack 302, all involving Paul Manafort. Appears to relate to some kind of business proposal between Manafort and Barrack's company Colony.
Interesting. This B7A redaction has something to do with Kushner's use of the Colony office during the transition. A conference meeting with Sergey Gorkov is mentioned. Gorkov is the chairman of Russia's VEB Bank. Very interesting that this somehow relates to an ongoing investigation.
Not sure what this is about.
Looks like Erik Prince is relevant to an ongoing investigation.
Odd B7A redaction here in this Michael Caputo (Roger Stone associate) 302.
Another B7A redaction involving Manafort somehow, from a Rick Dearborn 302.
- Dec 23, 2009
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- Jul 10, 2015
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- Jul 29, 2019
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- Jul 20, 2009
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I believe that is the raw vote count from the first alignment.I just saw this flip of the top 2 from the Washington post
The delegate count determines the real winner
- Aug 11, 2012
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- Oct 3, 2003
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One thing I’ll appreciate about Trump is that he got these MAGA boys all out and proud in the open with their racism.
- Jul 20, 2009
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- Dec 30, 2006
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Seems Bernie made a really strong showing. He probably will win the delegate count as well when it’s all said and done.
I wonder which candidate benefited the most from the “quality control” delay
- Jan 30, 2007
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superblytrife
Supporter
- Mar 20, 2002
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Anyone but Pete and his strategically placed row of the black population of Iowa. Gross.
- Jul 20, 2009
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Again, see what I mean about the fool's trolling.
Just regurgitating talking points from Trump world.
- Dec 30, 2006
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It’s not trolling because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
CNN has literally been discussing who potentially benefits from this delay
It’s Biden
SpittaJetLife
Banned
- Feb 14, 2019
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RustyShackleford
gotta be sick right now that his boy Jumpoff Joey is catching da L
- Jul 20, 2009
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He is not by boy
Miss me with that
- Jun 28, 2004
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I just saw the Oligarchy discussion between Nina Turner and Jason Johnson. It has me thinking about two things, one related to political economy and one related to linguistics.
One point is that people with one to ten million dolars are comfortable, they are better off than most people in America and as a voting and donor bloc are a powerful and very reactionary force. For all the mental energy and ink that is spent talking about affluent liberals (and the corollary of poor conservatives), in aggregate the more money that you have the more right wing you are. The only exception is when people clear the 10 million net worth threshold where they become a little more liberal.
The 1 to 10 million group is the most conservative because they are very well off but the most insecure and want low local and state taxes. They want low wages (they tend to be small business owners). They have a big chunk of their wealth in their own home and maybe a rental property or two and they want to keep minorities out of those neighborhoods.
Meanwhile, those 50 billion make, every few weeks or days, in interest, what lower level millionaires have amassed over a life time. Mathematically, multimillionaires are in another universe compared to people with a few million dollars.
In case of Bloomberg, the fact that he owns a media empire all but demands that he be called an oligarch.
Lastly, oligarch is not a smear nor is it something indigenous to Russia. If Bloomberg is not an oligarch and is, instead, a successful businessman, then so are the richest men in Russia. If rich guys in Russia, who own media companies and have access to Putin, be described as Oligarchs then surely Bloomberg is an American Oligarch.
One point is that people with one to ten million dolars are comfortable, they are better off than most people in America and as a voting and donor bloc are a powerful and very reactionary force. For all the mental energy and ink that is spent talking about affluent liberals (and the corollary of poor conservatives), in aggregate the more money that you have the more right wing you are. The only exception is when people clear the 10 million net worth threshold where they become a little more liberal.
The 1 to 10 million group is the most conservative because they are very well off but the most insecure and want low local and state taxes. They want low wages (they tend to be small business owners). They have a big chunk of their wealth in their own home and maybe a rental property or two and they want to keep minorities out of those neighborhoods.
Meanwhile, those 50 billion make, every few weeks or days, in interest, what lower level millionaires have amassed over a life time. Mathematically, multimillionaires are in another universe compared to people with a few million dollars.
In case of Bloomberg, the fact that he owns a media empire all but demands that he be called an oligarch.
Lastly, oligarch is not a smear nor is it something indigenous to Russia. If Bloomberg is not an oligarch and is, instead, a successful businessman, then so are the richest men in Russia. If rich guys in Russia, who own media companies and have access to Putin, be described as Oligarchs then surely Bloomberg is an American Oligarch.
- Jan 12, 2013
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Oligarch is a rather demeaning word that only seems to be used for wealthy individuals from Russia or East-European countries, unfairly so in my opinion.
Specific to Russia though, the word emphasizes the wealthy individuals' connections to the Kremlin, often accompanied by corrupt favors, acting as an arm of Russian intelligence, ...
As Oleg Deripaska once said, there is no separation between him and the Kremlin.
In that sense, Russian oligarchs are not comparable to someone like Bloomberg.
Specific to Russia though, the word emphasizes the wealthy individuals' connections to the Kremlin, often accompanied by corrupt favors, acting as an arm of Russian intelligence, ...
As Oleg Deripaska once said, there is no separation between him and the Kremlin.
In that sense, Russian oligarchs are not comparable to someone like Bloomberg.
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- Dec 23, 2003
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I'm having a hard time with the Dem elections
The over qualified Black candidates, Harris and Booker, got booted out
Buttigieg has no experience whatsoever but is trending as a front-runner
Can someone help me understand how two US Senators aren't qualified to be president, but a small town mayor is ready to be leader of the free world?
The over qualified Black candidates, Harris and Booker, got booted out
Buttigieg has no experience whatsoever but is trending as a front-runner
Can someone help me understand how two US Senators aren't qualified to be president, but a small town mayor is ready to be leader of the free world?
- Jan 12, 2013
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Pete's coalition is far too predominantly white at this point to win the nomination. I wouldn't worry too much about him unless he somehow really starts to build sizeable support from people of color, specifically black voters.
- May 10, 2006
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The Dems really screwed the pooch with this. No matter the outcome, conspiracy theorists will have all they need to say it was rigged. Trump going byke to byke like Ken Griffey Sr. and Junior
- Mar 16, 2010
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Heh...
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