***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Belgium]

Are you unaware of the repeal and replace campaign? Is it your position that the Republican party is not interested in replacing the ACA? Are you unaware of the bipartisan support for protecting coverage for people for pre-existing coverage? Trump literally pledged to do so a few weeks ago.

Now if you just don't believe anything Republicans say, then that is one thing. But to act as if Republicans are running on the idea of ensuring people with pre-existing conditions are left without coverage is simply dishonest.

You do realize that damn near all Republicans voted to cripple the current pre-existing condition coverage?

 

[cubanref]

I assumed it was rhetorical because you answered it yourself. My mistake.

Got it. You're cool with trump name calling but not ok with anyone else doing it.

 

[dwalk31]

You do realize that damn near all Republicans voted to cripple the current pre-existing condition coverage?

And those same republicans are in support of alternate methods to ensure pre-existing condition protection. That is the part you are ignoring.

 

[dwalk31]

Got it. You're cool with trump name calling but not ok with anyone else doing it.

The irony (since I have to spell it out) is that you are not cool with Trump name-calling, but you have no issue doing it.

 

[northoaklandfc]

You guys have let the conservative devil dwalk31 completely bastardize this thread in the moments before election day.

He's been on ignore, but the past 48 hours the vast majority of post in here have been responses to his support for bigotry and classist drivel.

 

[Belgium]

But but but...they used some nice words around the midterms supporting pre-existing conditions.
What an absolute bunch of garbage of the highest degree. Note how the option with an actual, albeit incompetent, replacement received the least Republican votes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/17/republican-health-bill-senators-oppose-vote
Senate will vote to repeal Obamacare without replacement, after new healthcare bill stumbles
Republican Mitch McConnell calls for vote on clean repeal, after senators Mike Lee and Jerry Moran come out against latest effort to replace Obamacare

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/health-care-senate-vote.html
Health Care Vote: Senate Rejects Repeal Without Replace

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

And those same republicans are in support of alternate methods to ensure pre-existing condition protection. That is the part you are ignoring.

I’m gonna put on my dwalk hat...are they in support of the idea of coverage for preexisitng conditions or are they actually presenting policy that’s better than the current policy?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Please stop engaging with this clown

The GOP attempted to pass a bill that was going to rip away protections for pre-existing conditions, nearly all Republicans in Congress and Trump supported it. Right now 20 state AGs with the support of the DOJ is suing for the courts dismantle the ACA, including protections for pre-existing conditions. The GOP has been talking replace for nearly 10 years and still have not shown one plan to get to universal coverage like the ACA tried to do, or that have patient protections

This dude at best ridiculously ignorant, or at worst an intellectually dishonest troll on some clown ****.

Take it from someone that likes to debate. This fool is not worth it. He doesn't want to debate ideas, he wants to defend bigotry and cruelty with rhetorical tricks he masquerades as principles. Principles he is willing to abandon when more vile **** comes down the line he wants to defend.

Stop going down the rabbit hole with this buffoonery pushing troll. He debates nothing in good faith

 

[dwalk31]

But but but...they used some nice words around the midterms supporting pre-existing conditions.
What an absolute bunch of garbage of the highest degree.

It is certainly reasonable to not believe them. I would hope they are being honest. We will see.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

More name-calling

Just **** ** & learn how to use a damn search engine & stop asking for ish...

 

[cubanref]

The irony (since I have to spell it out) is that you are not cool with Trump name-calling, but you have no issue doing it.

I have no problem name-calling racists out. I think you're the one lost here.

 

[dwalk31]

You guys have let the conservative devil dwalk31 completely bastardize this thread in the moments before election day.

Devil? Sheesh

We have to find a way to discuss things in a civil way. Sadly, this type of rhetoric has proven dangerous in this current political climate.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Real talk I am gonna start using an ad-blocker on NT because I am sick and tired of these conservative ads.

If it is not Dean Heller's punchable face it is ads talking about protecting religious freedom

 

[boris]

Don't take the bait.

 

[dwalk31]

Real talk I am gonna start using an ad-blocker on NT because I am sick and tired of these conservative ads.

If it is not Dean Heller's punchable face it is ads talking about protecting religious freedom

Safe spaces are important

 

[dwalk31]

I’m gonna put on my dwalk hat...are they in support of the idea of coverage for preexisitng conditions or are they actually presenting policy that’s better than the current policy?

The former which, if true, will be followed by the latter.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

The former which, if true, will be followed by the latter.

The latter doesn’t seem to be a priority while gutting the current policy does.

 

[Belgium]

And those same republicans are in support of alternate methods to ensure pre-existing condition protection. That is the part you are ignoring.

And those same Republicans have no idea how healthcare works, evidently.
The ACA was an improvement, albeit far from ideal, and the US still arguably has the single worst healthcare system of any similarly wealthy nation, no offense.

The US' healthcare spending per capita is vastly higher than any other nation. Both the coverage and the affordability are strongly inferior to other wealthy nations' healthcare systems (Canada, all of Scandinavia, UK, Belgium, Germany, France, etc. etc.) and all of those examples provide universal affordable coverage. Don't get me wrong, the quality of care in the US is by all means excellent, but it's also extortionately expensive compared to any other country.

It's not like other countries all use the same system either. Ours is much better and we have a multipayer universal healthcare system, not a single payer one. A true single payer system is very rare for the record. Our public healthcare mandate ensures everyone has some degree of basic universal coverage and private insurance can supplement it to whatever suits your needs if necessary. I have 100% coverage for almost everything due to my supplementary private insurance.

In order for a healthcare system to work, as all those countries have figured out long ago, your healthcare pool needs to be as large as possible and include as many healthy people as possible in order to make the system work. A mandate is of course the easiest way to maximize the pool size.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Safe spaces are important

Miss me, troll

 

[getback]

I think the official position was “repeal what’s there, offer nothing to replace it”

The only thing that’s better than some coverage for pre-existing condition, is no coverage at all. Because immigrants

Logic

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[IATT]

 

[storm2006]

I texted my rich white friend who voted for Trump and it resulted in a LLLLLL for da Libbies but Coal Gang won

 

[getback]

Didn't the GOP say they had a bill to replace Obamacare? Could someone post it?

 

[storm2006]

I let Rusty and co down. Damn.

 

[stuntman mike]

charge your phone man.