***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[blastercombo]

he's not a racist but even racist "news" network thinks his ad is too racist? hmmm...

They never came out and said they were racists so it’s not????


- NT racist logic

 

[blastercombo]

Nobody compares to Jamis lol. Dude was doomed before he stepped foot on an nfl field and hasn’t produced a winning season yet

 

[IATT]

Nobody compares to Jamis lol. Dude was doomed before he stepped foot on an nfl field and hasn’t produced a winning season yet

The peter man is next level



For his career he has 3 TDs AND 12 INTs, 52.3 % completion and 32.5 QB rating

- that's 12 INTs in 130 passes

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Trump's commercial was too racist for FOX!? That's quite an accomplishment.

 

[Belgium]

The "monkey it up" comment was certainly not well thought out. At best, it was a lazy mistake. At worst it was intentionally racist. Of course, there is a non-racist meaning of the phrase. Much like horsing around, etc.

As you said anyone could have added them to the group and made them administrators.

You cant impose the beliefs of supporters on the candidate. As I mentioned earlier that is lazy and ridiculous. And a failed tactic as it related to Obama and Farrakhan.

Now, if DeSantis is a racist, that is truly disgusting and disqualifying.

Then why go to such lengths associating himself with racists? He was invited, attended and spoke at Horowitz’ annual event multiple times and never noticed or cared that he was surrounded by people (including the host of the event) diminishing slavery, diminishing lynchings, proclaiming whites are the only real victims of racism, ...?
Or the prominent pedophilia apologist speaker who has also engaged in hitler salutes on camera.
Or the speaker advocating placing muslims in internment camps.
With all his expenses paid for by Horowitz himself on at least the 2017 event based off DeSantis’ financial disclosures.

While DeSantis defends those attendances and speaking gigs as “How the hell am I supposed to know every single statement someone makes?”, he appeared to know quite well when he praised Horowitz individually as well as the mission and values of his organization.

Of course it’s possible that DeSantis simply accepted expenses paid and attended 4 annual conventions from someone who he doesn’t know anything about. Maybe he just didn’t look at his twitter, anything he said, his organization or the invited speakers during those 4 years. Perhaps he just felt like praising the host individually and the values of his organization as a courtesy, while not being aware of any statements made by Horowitz and any of the speakers both at and outside of the event.

 

[IATT]

Trump's commercial was too racist for FOX!? That's quite an accomplishment.

 

[130122]

bruh that alien gif

 

[blastercombo]

The peter man is next level



For his career he has 3 TDs AND 12 INTs, 52.3 % completion and 32.5 QB rating

- that's 12 INTs in 130 passes

Lordy..... ok well to make a more apples to apples argument.... Jamis is a black Qb that brings nothing to the table skill set wise and is an off the field joke. Deniers of Kaep claim he is the same thing. One is still working and has been for years.

 

[nawghtyhare]

I haven’t seen this trump commercial
Anyone have a link

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

Lordy..... ok well to make a more apples to apples argument.... Jamis is a black Qb that brings nothing to the table skill set wise and is an off the field joke. Deniers of Kaep claim he is the same thing. One is still working and has been for years.

aint gotta convince me on crab legs.. and throw in whatever went down at FSU and then whatever happened in that uber, allegedly* of course

 

[Belgium]

Excerpt:
Republican Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes, chairman of the state’s Senate Select Committee on Election Security, said the problems with voting machines have been a major concern among Republican state lawmakers.

However, he said, he doesn’t believe the recent glitches have diminished confidence in the election. He said the machines can still accurately record votes if voters slow down when clicking through their ballots.
Hughes, who has also avidly supported increasing voter ID laws, said he was confident Texas lawmakers would pass legislation to slowly phase out the paperless voting machines with ones reinforced with a paper trail.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018...-texas-georgia-2018-elections-midterms-959980
Voting machine errors already roil Texas and Georgia races
The errors would appear to work to the advantage of Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke.

Glitchy paperless voting machines are affecting an untold number of early voting ballots in Texas and Georgia, raising the specter that two of the most closely watched races could be marred by questions about whether the vote count is accurate.

Civil rights groups and voters in both states have filed complaints alleging that the ATM-style touchscreen machines inexplicably deleted some people’s votes for Democratic candidates or switched them to Republican votes.

The errors — which experts have blamed on outdated software and old machines — would appear to work to the advantage of Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz over Democratic challenger Beto O'Rourke, and that of Georgia GOP gubernatorial candidate Brian Kemp over Democrat Stacey Abrams.

It’s unclear how many times the errors have happened or whether they could be enough to change the outcome of either race, both of which appear to be tight. But the latest episodes come after at least a decade and a half of warnings from election security groups about the dangers of relying on voting machines that don’t produce a paper trail — saying they’re insecure and produce results that are impossible to audit.

Experts in voting technology say the machines’ errors aren’t the result of mischief by hackers. But the same lack of a paper trail that would make it impossible to verify the voters’ intent in these races would also hamper efforts to detect a cyberattack on the election machinery.

“This machine problem is essentially threatening to call into question the entire election in Texas,” Beth Stevens, voting rights legal director for the Texas Civil Rights Project.

Five states — Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Delaware and New Jersey — still rely entirely on paperless voting machines, even as most others have switched to scanned-in paper ballots that resemble an SAT test. Seven states still use the paperless machines partially, including Texas and Pennsylvania.

The issue has provoked particular controversy this year in Georgia, where voting integrity groups filed a suit demanding that the state switch to voting machines that use paper ballots. Their opponent in that suit was Kemp, who as secretary of state is Georgia’s chief election official.

In a ruling in September, a federal judge declined to force Georgia to replace its paperless machines before Tuesday’s midterms but agreed with plaintiffs that continued use of those systems could harm their constitutional rights to a free and fair election.

Sara Henderson, executive director of the voting rights group Common Cause Georgia, told POLITICO that Kemp’s resistance to upgrading machines is “not protecting the voters, it’s not doing what’s right for Georgia and its election system.”

For Kemp, she said, pushing back against pressure to upgrade election systems is political. In 2016, when the Obama administration moved to protect voting systems by classifying them as critical infrastructure, Kemp called the move unconstitutional. “It’s a political thing for Brian Kemp to be able to say, ‘Well I beat back these good-government organizations even though we’re just trying to protect the voters.’”

Even though Kemp has previously acknowledged the state needs a verifiable paper trail, he has dismissed the early-voting complaints.

“They have no evidence and no witnesses. Just fake outrage and members of the media who care more about headlines than facts,” Cody Hall, press secretary for Kemp, said in a statement to POLITICO.

On Sunday, Kemp provoked another outcry from voting integrity advocates for accusing Georgia Democrats of hacking the state's voter registration system without backing up the allegations with evidence. His office said that following a “failed hacking attempt” it launched an investigation into the state’s Democratic party.

In a CNN interview, his Democratic opponent Abrams said the inquiry just two days ahead of the vote was a “desperate” move to “turn the conversation away from his failures."

In Texas, Secretary of State Rolando Pablos denied that early voting problems were the result of a bug in the machine. Instead, he blamed human error, saying voters need to go through ballots more slowly and double check their selections before submitting.

In a video released Friday, Pablos told voters: "Your votes will count, and your voices will be heard!"

But voters' problems with electronic machines shouldn't surprise any state officials.

“These voting equipment issues surface every election, ever since 2006 when these were widely deployed,” said Marian Schneider, president of Verified Voting, an election integrity group that has advocated for states to stop using voting machines without auditable paper trails.

In fact, the machines provoked controversy years before that in states like Florida, where many counties briefly switched to paperless voting machines in response to the state’s disastrous experience with punch card ballots during the 2000 presidential election. The results were not always pretty: In one local election in Palm Beach County, the electronic machines recorded 78 blank ballots in a village council race that was decided by four votes.

Some Democrats such as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. later tried to raise doubts about the integrity of the electronic voting machines that Ohio used during President George W. Bush’s 2004 reelection victory — claims that the manufacturer, Diebold, denounced as “error-riddled.”

Georgia uses Diebold AccuVote voting machines that it purchased in 2002. The chief complaints today are that units can glitch during the voting process and occasionally incorrectly register a vote. In Texas, 78 counties out of 254 use Hart InterCivic eSlate machines, which have reportedly switched some selections to the other party on straight ticket votes.

During the runup to the 2016 election, notions of “rigged” and “hacked” elections began to chip away at voter confidence, and then-presidential candidate Donald Trump warned that Democrats might “rig” the election. Now, election integrity advocates fear that those same ideas will pop up after the midterms.

“When you have candidates who have brought into the vernacular the terms ‘hacked,’ ‘tampered’ and ‘rigged,’ the faith in the system and the confidence of the process are at stake,” said Gregory Miller, co-founder of the election integrity advocacy group OSET Institute.

Despite some partisan divides over early voting complaints, Republicans and Democrats in Texas and elsewhere have stressed that upgrading voting systems shouldn't be a political issue.

Republican Texas state Sen. Bryan Hughes, chairman of the state’s Senate Select Committee on Election Security, said the problems with voting machines have been a major concern among Republican state lawmakers.

However, he said, he doesn’t believe the recent glitches have diminished confidence in the election. He said the machines can still accurately record votes if voters slow down when clicking through their ballots.

Hughes, who has also avidly supported increasing voter ID laws, said he was confident Texas lawmakers would pass legislation to slowly phase out the paperless voting machines with ones reinforced with a paper trail.

Most Americans live in jurisdictions where they can vote with a paper trail, Hughes said. “It’s one of the few areas where Texas is behind.”

 

[the natural mystic]

How come these machines always make errors that benefit Republicans?

It's almost never the other way around.

 

[Kimchi Papi]

This reminded me of jesse lee peterson up in here...

 

[Mark Antony]

Once you figure out how deep that tribalism runs, it's not hard to scam these folks. I know a lot of people thought about it, she actually did it lol.

 

[IATT]

Once you figure out how deep that tribalism runs, it's not hard to scam these folks. I know a lot of people thought about it, she actually did it lol.

She the only one??

 

[Mark Antony]

They never came out and said they were racists so it’s not????


- NT racist logic

A racist has to say he's racist on top of saying racist things to actually be racists. It's the admittance that counts.

 

[Mark Antony]

She the only one??

I mean they are getting scammed by the man they worship, so I doubt it.

 

[Belgium]

In the state of NY's lawsuit against the Trump administration over the decision to add a citizenship question to the census, a top DOJ official admitted in a sworn deposition that adding the question was "not necessary" for enforcing the Voting Rights Act. That same official was the one who made the first draft of the DOJ's letter to the Census Bureau asking them to include the citizenship question.
Acting Assistant Attorney General John Gore from the DOJ civil rights division also stated in his deposition that the order for that decision came from Jeff Sessions.


The DOJ made an earlier filing in the case that appeared to contradict Wilbur Ross' congressional sworn testimony on who was involved in the citizenship question.
Wilbur Ross was supposed to face a deposition in the case but the US Supreme Court blocked his deposition. They did agree to have a top DOJ official (see above) provide a sworn deposition and to allow discovery to move forward. Gorsuch and Clarence Thomas signed a dissent and stated that they would have gone further and "blocked all efforts by Ross critics to seek testimony."

What Wilbur Ross told Congress:

"Has the President or anyone in the White House discussed with you or anyone on your team about adding this citizenship question?" asked Rep. Grace Meng, a New York Democrat.
Ross replied: "I'm not aware of any such."

DOJ court filing:

An email released as part of discovery from a senior Commerce Dept. adviser: (Steve Bannon was still a WH official at the time obviously)

"Steve Bannon has asked that the Secretary talk to someone about the census. He could do it from the car on the way to a dinner."

The judge in the lower court who ordered Ross' deposition:

"Ross, by his own admission, began considering reinstating a citizenship question shortly after his confirmation in February 2017, but before the Department of Justice's formal request on December 12, 2017."

 

[kdawg]

“Strongly notified” no less!

 

[dwalk31]

Of course it’s possible that DeSantis simply accepted expenses paid and attended 4 annual conventions from someone who he doesn’t know anything about. Maybe he just didn’t look at his twitter, anything he said, his organization or the invited speakers during those 4 years. Perhaps he just felt like praising the host individually and the values of his organization as a courtesy, while not being aware of any statements made by Horowitz and any of the speakers both at and outside of the event.

Agreed. I'd imagine it happens to politicians quite frequently

 

[hipstermike]

Serious questions for the GOP supporters like dwalk, do you believe in the golden rule?

 

[dwalk31]

Serious questions for the GOP supporters like dwalk, do you believe in the golden rule?

Which one?

 

[hipstermike]

Which one?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I am no aware of any other golden rule.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

He must've thought you meant 'cross at the green, not in between.'