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[whywesteppin]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...vana-trump-vanity-fair-1990-a7639041.html?amp



Seems relevant

Irrelevant.

DT can't read.

 

[whywesteppin]

I think all the active posters in this thread can attest that George Soros will routinely approach you, usually via DM, and offer to pay you for making pro-Democrat posts in here.

This is a liberal echo chamber because so many NTer are bought.

So I'm not surprised at all that Beto paid off Lebron and Travis Scott. I mean, these guys will do ANYTHING for money, no matter how little. They are whores and have no values:

https://splinternews.com/lets-remember-the-time-donald-trump-cashed-a-13-check-1793849388

 

[Kimchi Papi]

Conspiracy theories aside, the irony shouldn’t be lost among those in the know... Those fleeing Central America looking for a better life are fleeing the violence whose inception is due to the regan regime’s fight against “communism” decades ago.

And even further still nixon’s War on drugs in ‘71 which pushed early cartels from Colombia & neighboring regions into Central America.

One must also consider MS-13’s origins lie in Los Angels & California not El Salacador thanks to mass incarceration laws...

Food for thought.

 

[IATT]

 

[aepps20]

I think all the active posters in this thread can attest that George Soros will routinely approach you, usually via DM, and offer to pay you for making pro-Democrat posts in here.

This is a liberal echo chamber because so many NTer are bought.

So I'm not surprised at all that Beto paid off Lebron and Travis Scott. I mean, these guys will do ANYTHING for money, no matter how little. They are whores and have no values:

https://splinternews.com/lets-remember-the-time-donald-trump-cashed-a-13-check-1793849388

Post of Da Year B. Soros approached Coal Gang earlier this year when we were dominating this thread. He tried to pay us off but we sent him Coal for his trouble. Lebbywinks always makes life about himself. Beto used millions in Soros checks to get Lebby to wear that hat but his hat is weaker than Kanye's MAGA hat.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Rusty was unable to live stream the best part, but here it is. Truly a special moment. I still haven't eaten the biscuit Trump handed to me. I just pull it out of my pocket and take a sniff every few minutes. It reminds me of my first pair of New Balances.

This video only captures 1% of the excitement. There is a moment later on when Trump promised us minimum wage jobs if he is able to stop the caravan. Real tears flowed. Life is changing for us, and it's changing fast. The Coal Gang is growing. It's no longer a movement. It's a revolution.

the buscuits were aplenty that day

 

[whywesteppin]

even Andrew Johnson is giving her the side-eye.

 

[Belgium]

Brownback's trickle-down economics experiment has done immense financial damage to the state of Kansas. An impact so disastrous it practically forced the state's Republican majority to roll back the tax cuts. But the frontrunner Kris Kobach is promising to cut taxes again.
Kobach is overseeing the election he is running in due to his current position as Secretary of State. He did hand his election responsibilities over to his top deputy back in August.

Excerpt:
Brownback’s sharp cuts were rolled back by a Republican-led legislature last year to remedy a billion-dollar shortfall; the state has scant reserves and is embroiled in a nasty court battle over school funding.
Despite that, Kobach has promised voters he will cut taxes again.

Excerpt 2:
Voters in Kansas have received a flurry of texts with misleading voting information recently, and Latino groups have protested a local decision to move a polling station in Dodge City out of bus range for a huge immigrant population there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...dcad4a0a54e_story.html?utm_term=.4bbbf6220fe7
Lack of proof aside, Kris Kobach can’t stop talking about voter fraud in Kansas governor’s race
He’s brushed aside the state’s woeful financial straits. He’s dismissed concerns that driving in parades with a machine-gun replica mounted on his Jeep might come off as offensive.

Instead, in an audacious performance that mimics President Trump more than anyone else, Republican gubernatorial candidate Kris Kobach at every campaign stop touts his biggest achievement, a strict citizenship law for voters — that no longer exists.

Kobach has spent the last seven years as the state’s chief election officer burnishing his national profile as a crusader against illegal immigration and fashioning one of the toughest voting laws in the country, one that included a proof-of-citizenship requirement struck down as unconstitutional by a federal judge in June.

But that has not stopped him from promoting the failed law as a career triumph as the heated race enters its final stretch, using deliberately misleading language that mocks the judge’s ruling. Polls show Kobach virtually tied with his Democratic opponent, state Sen. Laura Kelly.

“Every time an alien votes, it cancels out the vote of a U.S. citizen!” Kobach said at a rally here earlier this month as Trump beamed approvingly at his side, to a rousing chant of “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!” He called for other states to require proof of citizenship, too — “Just like Kansas!”

When Kobach, 52, was tapped as vice chair of Trump’s now-disbanded voting fraud commission last year, he cemented his reputation as a national leader in the Republican effort to tighten voting laws in ways that civil rights activists say imperil voting rights of the poor, youth and minorities.

He supports President Trump’s assertion that millions fraudulently voted for Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election, even though no evidence for that assertion has surfaced and voting experts roundly disagree. (The president, too, is not dissuaded, warning in an Oct. 20 tweet that poll violators would be prosecuted: “Cheat at your own peril.”)

“It’s a pervasive problem,” Kobach insisted in an interview at the GOP party headquarters in a small strip mall in the state capital.

To support his argument, he cited an estimate ruled statistically invalid by the court: “Just looking at Kansas, if you’re talking up to 30,000 noncitizens on the rolls in the state of our size, the numbers would have been much, much bigger in Texas and California.” (The judge ruled that 67 people “at most” had wrongly registered to vote in Kansas since 1999, while thousands were prevented from voting.)

Democrats and voting rights activists contend that if anybody is engaged in vote rigging, it is Kobach. Democrats have repeatedly raised questions about Kobach’s conduct as the state’s elections officer — he essentially oversees his own tight race — and alleged at a news conference Thursday that the general election could be “stolen.” The Democratic minority leaders of the state House and Senate called for him to step down.

Voters in Kansas have received a flurry of texts with misleading voting information recently, and Latino groups have protested a local decision to move a polling station in Dodge City out of bus range for a huge immigrant population there.

Kobach’s spokesman, Danedri Herbert, called the allegations “ridiculous.”

The secretary of state has focused his campaign around his voting stance, but far bigger problems face Kansas, and opponents argue Kobach’s proposals would make them worse. If Kobach wins on Nov. 6 — along with Kelly, he also faces independent challenger Greg Orman, a businessman — he will inherit a windswept farming state that is still reeling from steep tax cuts by the former governor, Sam Brownback, now Trump’s ambassador for international religious freedom.

Brownback’s sharp cuts were rolled back by a Republican-led legislature last year to remedy a billion-dollar shortfall; the state has scant reserves and is embroiled in a nasty court battle over school funding.

Despite that, Kobach has promised voters he will cut taxes again.

“It’s absurd,” Kelly said. “There is no way we can go back to the Brownback experiment. Sam Brownback pushed these tax cuts through, and even when Kansas was falling apart in front of his face, Brownback wouldn’t admit it. Now we have Kris Kobach, who lived through all of that, saying we need to get back there. That’s not living in reality.”

Kobach has called Kelly out for voting for his voter ID bill (true) and for voting for a bill to allow “sanctuary cities” to continue protecting illegal immigrants (false).

Kelly’s mild manner is a contrast to the fast-talking Kobach, who flashes a Dennis Quaid grin and wears his navy suit jackets baggy, like the commander in chief. His tendency to exaggerate, imposing height and fierce nativism have inspired other comparisons to Trump, but he was Trumpian long before the president decided to run for office, according to Patrick R. Miller, an assistant professor of political science at the University of Kansas.

“It’s definitely not Midwest ‘nice’,” Miller said.

Staunch conservatives in Kansas have applauded Kobach’s positions on abortion, fiscal issues and immigration. Many interviewed said they were frightened by the caravan of Honduran migrants they believe are headed their way. (The caravan to which they referred is nearly 1,000 miles from the southern border, far from Kansas.)

“There’s not a single thing Kris says I don’t agree with,” said Christy McNally, a retired teacher from the town of Mulberry. “Kansas needs somebody strong right now, and he’s a man who will go where angels dare not tread.”

Kobach, the son of a Buick dealer, was raised in Topeka, and earned degrees from Harvard and Oxford universities and Yale Law School. He was tapped for a White House fellowship in 2001, arriving just before the 9/11 terrorist attacks. He later helped build a now-discontinued government system that tracked entrants from mostly Muslim countries.

The fact that the 9/11 hijackers entered the country on legal visas “haunted me,” Kobach said, and “shifted the trajectory of my career.”

Kobach’s influence widened when his pheasant-hunting buddy, Donald Trump Jr., introduced him to candidate Trump in 2016.

Kobach has since pushed the administration toward get-tough policies, including adding a citizenship question to the U.S. census, and was named the vice chair of the president’s voter fraud panel, which disbanded earlier this year without finding widespread evidence of fraud.

Trump’s primary-eve endorsement in August — a “fantastic guy” the president tweeted — eventually helped Kobach eke out a 343-vote victory over incumbent Gov. Jeff Colyer, who became the chief executive early this year when Brownback took the Trump administration job.

The last months of Kobach’s campaign would have challenged most candidates. In May, the federal district court judge overseeing the voting lawsuit cited Kobach for contempt of court for failing to notify voters of an injunction in the case that would allow them to vote.

And in June, U.S. District Judge Julie A. Robinson, a George W. Bush appointee, threw out the requirement that Kansas voters prove their citizenship, which prevented an estimated 35,000 Kansas residents from voting from 2013 to 2016, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. She also ordered Kobach to attend six hours of continuing legal-education classes for “repeated and flagrant violations of discovery and disclosure rules.”

Kobach says Robinson’s order was “odd” and “highly unusual,” but that he would not be deterred.

“We’re confident on appeal we’re going to win this case,” he said. “The law is on our side.”

One sunny Saturday this month, hundreds gathered in the northeastern Kansas town of Baldwin for its annual Maple Leaf Festival parade. The maple trees had turned orange and scarlet for the occasion. Spectators lined the streets. Colorful floats passed by. A high school band played “America the Beautiful.”

And then came Kobach aboard a Jeep emblazoned with an American flag and with a “replica” .50-caliber machine gun on top, smiling and waving from atop the vehicle, two of his five daughters in the back.

The machine-gun Jeep provoked national condemnation after its debut in June, and Kobach has since dragged it to almost every parade, embracing it as a symbolic proof, he says, that he will not back down when the “liberal snowflakes” attack. President Trump has now autographed it.

“He scares me,” said Ted Pillar, a Lawrence resident and retired teacher, as Kobach passed by. “Who would ride around in a Jeep with a machine gun on top of it? What is that supposed to say? And he’s going to do the same thing Brownback did — go after illegal immigrants.”

His wife, Diana, chimed in: “God help them.”

Nearby, a 65-year-old retiree named Sherry said she was a registered Republican but will not be voting for Kobach because “he’s too radical.” She declined to give her last name for privacy reasons.

“He’s unmoderate, and the gun thing put it over the top,” the woman said. “But they’re gonna elect him — just as sure as God made little green apples.”

 

[whywesteppin]

Post of Da Year B. Soros approached Coal Gang earlier this year when we were dominating this thread. He tried to pay us off but we sent him Coal for his trouble. Lebbywinks always makes life about himself. Beto used millions in Soros checks to get Lebby to wear that hat but his hat is weaker than Kanye's MAGA hat.

Yup, but just when we thought we had taken the thread back, we got wind of a caravan of socialist activists banding together in the Nordic countries and slowly making their way to America to begin posting on NT. This is an obvious George Soros plot and there are reports of "I'm with her" stickers on the side of their 120-foot Skeid.

We're going to see a bunch of new accounts on here with screennames like "skohuvud," "Bjørn30," and "Finland (formerly argentina)." This is happening right before the elections too. Scary times we live in.

the buscuits were aplenty that day

First time I've ever gotten full off biscuits.

 

[goledensilence]

What i would love to hear from more black republicans/Trump supporters. Hell wouldn’t be bad to hear from more black democrats as well.

 

[RustyShackleford]

What i would love to hear from more black republicans/Trump supporters. Hell wouldn’t be bad to hear from more black democrats as well.

This dude is spewing misinformation.

-The Democrats never had a Supermajority for two years. Nor did they spend their first two years in Congress just focusing on things for other groups and ignoring black people

-Trump's economic policies are destructive for black labor, in fact, all labor. Trump pushed through a tax cut to overheat the economy in the short term but it will definitely help cause a recession. He has done nothing to structurally change the economy to something more hospitable to black people.

I can't take someone so ignorant of facts serious. I can rip this argument to shreds some more if you would like

 

[Based Jesus]

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

I see that dude Karl on the grapevine all the time. I’m not sure if he considers himself a conservative or not but the problem with a lot of these black capitalistic/entrepreneurial conservatives is that they both acknowledge the systemic odds stacked against black people but almost act like they don’t exist when it comes to pushing their goals and agendas. Almost as if black wealth can be a widely achieved without dealing with the white supremacist elephant in the room.

 

[boris]

I think all the active posters in this thread can attest that George Soros will routinely approach you, usually via DM, and offer to pay you for making pro-Democrat posts in here.

This is a liberal echo chamber because so many NTer are bought.

So I'm not surprised at all that Beto paid off Lebron and Travis Scott. I mean, these guys will do ANYTHING for money, no matter how little. They are whores and have no values:

https://splinternews.com/lets-remember-the-time-donald-trump-cashed-a-13-check-1793849388

The $oro$ checks are what keep me coming back to this echo chamber.

 

[dacomeup]

Black people all of the sudden saw disposable income increase under Trump to make all of these investments in the stock market and real estate? The impact of his policies are quite the opposite.

 

[dacomeup]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I see that dude Karl on the grapevine all the time. I’m not sure if he considers himself a conservative or not but the problem with a lot of these black capitalistic/entrepreneurial conservatives is that they both acknowledge the systemic odds stacked against black people but almost act like they don’t exist when it comes to pushing their goals and agendas. Almost as if black wealth can be a widely achieved without dealing with the white supremacist elephant in the room.

Like I said there are so many ways dude's argument could be picked apart.

From the factual, which I touched on already.

To the rhetorical, so Trump overheating the economy is specifically beneficial to black people, but Obama saving is from a depression is not.

To there theoretical, dude really thinks austerity, ignoring civil rights laws and favoring owners of capital is better for black wealth than policy that tries to pull people out of poverty, enforces anti discrimination laws, and at get us to true full employment.

His classism is blinding him from racism.

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

Like I said there are so many ways dude's argument could be picked apart.

From the factual, which I touched on already.

To the rhetorical, so Trump overheating the economy is specifically beneficial to black people, but Obama saving is from a depression is not.

To there theoretical, dude really thinks austerity, ignoring civil rights laws and favoring owners of capital is better for black wealth than policy that tries to pull people out of poverty, enforces anti discrimination laws, and at get us to true full employment.

His classism is blinding him from racism.

Spot on. And it’s also funny that most of these pseudo intellectual/pseudo civically educated black folk were looking for in Obama what white People found in trump. Which shows you how much they know considering there’s no political avenue in existence that would let a purely pro black candidate only cater to black people. Obama tried to help everyone and conservatives didn’t even allow him to do that.

 

[Belgium]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dow-on-solid-u-s-gdp-report?srnd=economics-vp
Business-Spending Slowdown Casts Shadow on Solid U.S. GDP Report

• Nonresidential investment rises by least in almost two years
• Trade war and fading boost from tax cuts may be to blame

Consumers drove the U.S. economy to better-than-expected growth in the third quarter, but a steep slowdown in business spending raised concerns about whether the strength in the expansion is sustainable.

The 3.5 percent annualized gain in gross domestic product, following 4.2 percent, marked the best back-to-back quarters since 2014, according to Friday’s Commerce Department report. The rise in consumer spending, which accounts for about 70 percent of the economy, unexpectedly accelerated to an almost four-year high of 4 percent.

Yet amid President Donald Trump’s trade war, nonresidential business investment rose at a 0.8 percent pace, the weakest since 2016 and down from 8.7 percent in the prior quarter. Companies paused spending earlier than some economists expected given the fiscal boost from Republican-backed tax cuts.

While a solid labor market and gradually rising wages are buoying consumers, investors took little comfort from GDP: The S&P 500 stock index plummeted on Friday, entering a correction following reports showing the growth engines of Amazon.com Inc. and Alphabet Inc. sputtered last quarter. Analysts said the Federal Reserve probably remains on track for a December interest-rate increase, its fourth of 2018, though the GDP details suggest the economy isn’t shifting into a permanently higher gear.

“The fate of the consumer rests with the willingness and ability of businesses to keep hiring,” said Julia Coronado, president of MacroPolicy Perspectives LLC and a former Fed researcher.

The slowdown in business spending “came earlier and was more than we expected, given where the stimulus is,” Coronado said. “That suggests some of this stimulus won’t last, it’s not going to turn into higher-trend growth through the channel of investment and greater capacity and greater potential growth.”

What Our Economists Say
The economy has reverted back to the "same old" model of consumer-driven activity that has dominated most of this cycle. Supply-siders will be disappointed to see business fixed investment essentially stalling out after a robust first half, further casting into doubt the notion that corporate tax reforms could incentivize capital deepening, which could lift the long-run growth potential of the economy.

-- Carl Riccadonna, Yelena Shulyatyeva and Tim Mahedy, Bloomberg Economics

Trade also dragged down growth by the most in 33 years, amid ongoing tariff battles with large trade partners such as China. Together with the business-spending figures, they’re an early indication that firms might be cooling on the kinds of activities that drive expansion, employment and wages.

A core measure that economists monitor for a better sense of underlying demand -- final sales to domestic purchasers -- increased at a 3.1 percent pace, slowing from 4 percent. It excludes the more volatile trade and inventories components of GDP.

Fed officials have recently talked about “optimism and acceleration in capital spending and could it lift the supply side,” but the slowing in business investment “is inconsistent with a sizable improvement in spending,” said Michael Gapen, chief U.S. economist at Barclays Plc and a former official at the central bank.

“In the big picture, what we’re trying to ascertain is: is fiscal stimulus transitory or will it help sustain economic growth longer term? This report shows the fiscal stimulus has a transitory response.”

More broadly, the International Monetary Fund earlier this month cut its global growth forecast for the first time in two years, blaming escalating trade tensions and stresses in emerging markets. World GDP would fall further should Trump follow through on all his trade threats, including global duties on cars, the IMF said.

On the other hand, the Trump administration is optimistic, particularly as the report showed inflation remains contained: Excluding food and energy, the Fed’s preferred price index also rose at a 1.6 percent rate. Trump has criticized the Fed for raising interest rates without signs of significant inflation.

“We really do feel like we’re in that Goldilocks moment where we’re getting good GDP growth but we don’t have the inflation that you traditionally might have seen with this type of market,” Mick Mulvaney, director of the Office of Management and Budget, said on Bloomberg Television.

Roberto Perli, a partner at Cornerstone Macro LLC in Washington and a former Fed economist, said the GDP report is consistent with the central bank’s forecast. “The Fed outlook is basically validated by the data,” he said. “There’s no incentive to change policy direction.”

Housing remained a weak spot in the economy, posing the third consecutive drag on GDP growth, with a contraction of 4 percent. Recent reports indicate the industry is slowing amid higher prices and rising mortgage rates, as well as a lack of affordable listings.

That’s an indication that consumers are also feeling the bite from rising interest rates, according to Gapen of Barclays.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Spot on. And it’s also funny that most of these pseudo intellectual/pseudo civically educated black folk were looking for in Obama what white People found in trump. Which shows you how much they know considering there’s no political avenue in existence that would let a purely pro black candidate only cater to black people. Obama tried to help everyone and conservatives didn’t even allow him to do that.

Very important point.

These pro-black dudes reason just like conservatives. A conservative thinks someone or something can't be racist unless that person openly declares the self a racist before committing an act of racism. Some Pro-black dudes think nothing can benefit black people unless it is explicitly declared beforehand. Often times they want it to be declared it only is intended to help black folk.

So single payer or even the Medicaid expansion is not pro-black. Getting rid of exclusionary zoning laws, an EIC expansion, stronger labor laws, increased minimum wage, a jobs program, etc is not pro-black because it is not declared so beforehand.

Dudes like these refuse to see that systems oppress black people too. They are so focused on words and individuals. That is why the Umars and Trumps of the world can finesse them. The same blindspot allows a bunch of scams work.

 

[stuntman mike]

will ferrell on dat beto/soros payroll confirmed!!

side note: that beto tweet led me to this story. reminds me of something RustyShackleford would say.

 

[chao7]

In this thread, we learn "has paid for campaign marketing online" means you can accuse people who support a candidate of being paid off to mention them in any capacity.

Then when you're called out for intellectual dishonesty, retreat to " there is a nonzero chance it could have possibly happened - prove me wrong".

Debate tactics of the right, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[Mark Antony]

What i would love to hear from more black republicans/Trump supporters. Hell wouldn’t be bad to hear from more black democrats as well.

Too much to pick apart to even bother.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Soros cutting BIG CHECKS!