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I don't get the point of this Tweet other than to take a petty shot at Clinton.

So Hillary should pay for the treatment? Is that what he is saying?

And anyone that knows any political history knows that attacking Hillary on healthcare is dumb. Her record on it is one of her strong points.
 
I don't get the point of this Tweet other than to take a petty shot at Clinton.

So Hillary should pay for the treatment? Is that what he is saying?

And anyone that knows any political history knows that attacking Hillary on healthcare is dumb. Her record on it is one of her strong points.
Yeah, this is a pretty stupid tweet. As far as I can recall, she never said single-payer is a bad idea.
 
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:lol man this **** is so sad
 
I deducted points from Hillary for quoting John Adams but she made it back with this line:

"I don’t know whether Trump ignores the suffering of Puerto Ricans because he doesn’t know that they’re American citizens, because he assumes people with brown skin and Latino last names probably aren’t Trump fans, or because he just doesn’t have the capacity for empathy."

this is good too:

"There is a tendency, when talking about these things, to wring our hands about “both sides.” But the truth is that this is not a symmetrical problem. We should be clear about this: The increasing radicalism and irresponsibility of the Republican Party, including decades of demeaning government, demonizing Democrats, and debasing norms, is what gave us Donald Trump. Whether it was abusing the filibuster and stealing a Supreme Court seat, gerrymandering congressional districts to disenfranchise African Americans, or muzzling government climate scientists, Republicans were undermining American democracy long before Trump made it to the Oval Office."
 
I try to take articles like that Atlantic post up there seriously however none of it applies to us. America the democracy was legally lynching melanated humans less than a century ago, but yea true democracy is under assault now :rolleyes It’s even more hilarious when I see dudes in here acting like this system will work for them and placing blind faith in it. So called American democracy is a farce and you don’t even have to be within a marginalized group to recognize this reality.
 
I try to take articles like that Atlantic post up there seriously however none of it applies to us. America the democracy was legally lynching melanated humans less than a century ago, but yea true democracy is under assault now :rolleyes It’s even more hilarious when I see dudes in here acting like this system will work for them and placing blind faith in it. So called American democracy is a farce and you don’t even have to be within a marginalized group to recognize this reality.
We need to view it as a work in progress that can be improved with input and inclusion of the population.

The founding fathers did a decent job, but I'm sure they would be confused and disappointed to see people today saying that we shouldn't change or reinterpret the constitution.
 
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We are quoting The Atlantic now? Lol ... That's like me pulling quotes from a Sean Hannity book ...
Seriously! Doesn't Hillary know she LOST the election and needs to 4815162342 her way back to the island?

These liberals don't know how to take a hint. They are bitter, bitter, bitter about DONALD J TRUMP's HISTORIC victory in 2016. Libbies don't have a clue, man.
 
We need to view it as a work in progress that can be improved with input and inclusion of the population.

The founding fathers did a decent job, but I'm sure they would be disgusted to see people today saying that we shouldn't change or reinterpret the constitution.

I disagree wholly but I respect you opinion. The founding fathers afforded protections for a single group of people. I’m cool on waiting for progress from that.
 
I try to take articles like that Atlantic post up there seriously however none of it applies to us. America the democracy was legally lynching melanated humans less than a century ago, but yea true democracy is under assault now :rolleyes It’s even more hilarious when I see dudes in here acting like this system will work for them and placing blind faith in it. So called American democracy is a farce and you don’t even have to be within a marginalized group to recognize this reality.
Is framing of the arguments people in there make are incorrect imo, I have never seen anyone in here have blind faith in American institutions or American democracy.

Think of America as a large house that all groups share. For generations, ethnic minorities have been restrained to the basement, cellar, or crawl space, while the dominant white community got to enjoy the bedroom, living room, kitchen, yard, pool, et.. Civil Rights legislation (past and future) is something that opens up more areas of the house to minority groups. The thing is, some in the white community has a form of counterproductive protest has set the entire house on fire. So now we have a choice, we can just focus on the fact that access to other parts of the house that were blocked off for so long (which is a valid complaint), or focus on the bigger picture that we also have to put out the fire as well.

Because it is gonna burn everyone. This is one of the core beliefs MLK had toward the end of this life. That for better or worst we all in this American experiment together. That the fight for justice must expand beyond demanding access but caring about what you are getting access to.

Getting equal treated means little if everyone is still getting treated like ****. Because at that point you are just trading one bad situation for another.

I come from a country with a majority of black people in the West Indies, the poster that posted the articles comes from a country with the majority of black people in Africa. And we can both attest to the fact that sitting back and watching your institution crumble, elections less democratic, and strong men take hold does no one any favors. That political and socioeconomic systems can still fail black folk even in the absence of bigots and white supremacist.

If everyone in America stopped being racist tomorrow, like if we could really wish it into existence, our economy would still drive inequality, our healthcare system would still be trash, our infrastructure would still be in shambles, and our elections would still not be representative enough.

It is not really about going back to how things were, it is about rebuilding important institutions, going back to a worker and consumer first economic policy, making our elections more representative, making people more engaged, and making sure all these things work for marginalized groups, especially black people. It is looking ahead not backward, it about reforming our socioeconomic system to me truly inclusive and democratic.

Not just putting blind faith in a system that has always been clearly flawed in one way or another.
 
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